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yorkiekist 09-02-2010 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3260011)
The same reason you show your dogs. If my carrier is nice enough to beat your dog in the ring...then I am on the right track with my breeding program.

As far as "bragging rights" is concerned. You guys do it all the time. I see brag threads and everyone is happy for the one who is bragging. You can bet your last dollar that when I do finish a carrier (and I will) I will be here to brag about it.
I guess the difference is that I am/we are breeding to the standard of the breed and you are breeding color faults. And you will be using "champions carriers" that cant produce correctly either. Just because the dog is a "champion" that doesnt mean he/she can produce quality.
As for bragging rights, I love to brag about my guys when they do good in the ring, that wasnt the point. What I mean by bragging rights is there will be lots of braggin going on with the acquisation of the coveted "champion" and his champion bloodline that you had nothing to do in creating.
So its just a circle. I dont see the point in showing carriers. Whats the point if you cant produce correct puppies? Except for a selling/bragging point.
Thats what I dont understand.

kpstoybox 09-02-2010 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3260010)
I have stayed out of the parti debate because I think it all boils down to opinions. I know that AKC did not require dna testing of dogs years ago. A pedigree proves nothing unless all the dogs were dna'ed and even then breeders that collect and mail in their dogs dna can cheat.

Lol, I know many years ago before the government required all children to have social security numbers, there was a lady that claimed her dogs as dependents. I also know of breeders that would get extra puppy registration papers and use those papers to register dogs they bought that did not have papers. There have always been cheaters around.

If the YTCA changed the standard to allow parti yorkies then what about all the other coat colors? I have seen some beautiful black yorkies but does that mean they should be allowed in the show ring? I just prefer to leave the standard the way it is. Just my opinion.
Everyone keeps saying this...yet no one will back it up with how it would be changed. These statements are only misleading people into assuming that if the parti were allowed a variety class...they would have to change the standard of the blue and tan yorkie. This is simply not true. Why must people continue to spread false information? Please explain to me how it would change the standard of the traditional blue and tan Yorkie in the ring today?
The YTCA does not have to change a thing. They would only have to add a variety class. Once again..this means the blue and tan and the parti would show in different rings. They would only meet in group. How would this affect the standard of the blue and gold?
This fight has nothing to with changing the standard..and all to do with acceptance. Something the YTCA obviously will not allow because of old school beliefs and fear of change.

Brooklynn 09-02-2010 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3260010)
I have stayed out of the parti debate because I think it all boils down to opinions. I know that AKC did not require dna testing of dogs years ago. A pedigree proves nothing unless all the dogs were dna'ed and even then breeders that collect and mail in their dogs dna can cheat.

Lol, I know many years ago before the government required all children to have social security numbers, there was a lady that claimed her dogs as dependents. I also know of breeders that would get extra puppy registration papers and use those papers to register dogs they bought that did not have papers. There have always been cheaters around.

If the YTCA changed the standard to allow parti yorkies then what about all the other coat colors? I have seen some beautiful black yorkies but does that mean they should be allowed in the show ring? I just prefer to leave the standard the way it is. Just my opinion.
Barbara don't worry the standard isn't going to change to allow Parti's in the ring. Let those brag about their carriers in the ring and even champion them if it makes them happy but know it won't get any warm welcomes within the yorkie show world well except those who don't care about the breed standard...JMO We'll just continue to try and educate those that want to learn and learn the right way :)

Brooklynn 09-02-2010 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3260024)
Everyone keeps saying this...yet no one will back it up with how it would be changed. These statements are only misleading people into assuming that if the parti were allowed a variety class...they would have to change the standard of the blue and tan yorkie. This is simply not true. Why must people continue to spread false information? Please explain to me how it would change the standard of the traditional blue and tan Yorkie in the ring today?
The YTCA does not have to change a thing. They would only have to add a variety class. Once again..this means the blue and tan and the parti would show in different rings. They would only meet in group. How would this affect the standard of the blue and gold?
This fight has nothing to with changing the standard..and all to do with acceptance. Something the YTCA obviously will not allow because of old school beliefs and fear of change.
The Chinese Crested varitey does not show in seperate rings, they show in the same ring, nor does the the Chi's aka long coat and short coat. And as I've stated before the AKC isn't allowing a parent club to add a variety at this time if I'm correct.
The YTCA is not going to allow the variety plain and simple. It's not gonna happen, it's not going to be accepted anytime in the near future.

kpstoybox 09-02-2010 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 3260020)
I guess the difference is that I am/we are breeding to the standard of the breed and you are breeding color faults. And you will be using "champions carriers" that cant produce correctly either. Just because the dog is a "champion" that doesnt mean he/she can produce quality.
As for bragging rights, I love to brag about my guys when they do good in the ring, that wasnt the point. What I mean by bragging rights is there will be lots of braggin going on with the acquisation of the coveted "champion" and his champion bloodline that you had nothing to do in creating.
So its just a circle. I dont see the point in showing carriers. Whats the point if you cant produce correct puppies? Except for a selling/bragging point.
Thats what I dont understand.
Why couldn't a carrier produce correct puppies? If he is the correct color and produces the correct color...then what's your problem? Besides..those of us who are serious about our parti's need to have show quality carriers to produce our parti's when/if/hopefully the UKC accepts the parti as a variety. We will need a quality dog to step into the ring with when we are finally allowed too.

Your darn right I'm gonna brag about any accomplishments I make with my dogs. You keep alluding to the fact that I only want Ch sired parti's to sell my puppies. Is that why you show your dogs? Then please don't assume why I want to show mine.

JeanieK 09-02-2010 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3260010)
I have stayed out of the parti debate because I think it all boils down to opinions. I know that AKC did not require dna testing of dogs years ago. A pedigree proves nothing unless all the dogs were dna'ed and even then breeders that collect and mail in their dogs dna can cheat.

Lol, I know many years ago before the government required all children to have social security numbers, there was a lady that claimed her dogs as dependents. I also know of breeders that would get extra puppy registration papers and use those papers to register dogs they bought that did not have papers. There have always been cheaters around.

If the YTCA changed the standard to allow parti yorkies then what about all the other coat colors? I have seen some beautiful black yorkies but does that mean they should be allowed in the show ring? I just prefer to leave the standard the way it is. Just my opinion.
Sure Why not, if they meet the standard in every other way.

It is our general nature to resist change. Thank Gold for the pioneers who weren't afraid to go against the grain or we'd still be fusng buggy whips.

If the parti breeders work hard enough to get the partis up to standard, except for color, why souldn't they be included.

The YTCA knows it is going to happen and that is why they DQ'd the color.

JeanieK 09-02-2010 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3260038)
Why couldn't a carrier produce correct puppies? If he is the correct color and produces the correct color...then what's your problem? Besides..those of us who are serious about our parti's need to have show quality carriers to produce our parti's when/if/hopefully the UKC accepts the parti as a variety. We will need a quality dog to step into the ring with when we are finally allowed too.

Your darn right I'm gonna brag about any accomplishments I make with my dogs. You keep alluding to the fact that I only want Ch sired parti's to sell my puppies. Is that why you show your dogs? Then please don't assume why I want to show mine.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Brooklynn 09-02-2010 05:58 PM
If one thinks some of the Parti threads on YT gets one's dander up and I'm not talking standard yorkie breeders wait till you enter the wonderful world of showing...it's more brutal LOL...If I see those that are proudly and announcing Parti carriers in the ring remember keep your temper in check LOL

JeanieK 09-02-2010 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3260037)
The Chinese Crested varitey does not show in seperate rings, they show in the same ring, nor does the the Chi's aka long coat and short coat. And as I've stated before the AKC isn't allowing a parent club to add a variety at this time if I'm correct.
The YTCA is not going to allow the variety plain and simple. It's not gonna happen, it's not going to be accepted anytime in the near future.
Oh it will happen.. Once the parti is developed into show quality, correct in every way, except color, some fancier with lots of clout and $$$ will decide they want to show them and they will make it happen.

And THAT is why the YTCA is so against them. They know it is going to happen once they get some champion carriers.

if you breed two champion carriers together, chances are, the resulting puppies will be excellent quality.

I think the partis probably started out at good quality, but without others to breed to, they have declined. I have seen quality decline in the last 3 years.

Brooklynn 09-02-2010 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3260059)
Oh it will happen.. Once the parti is developed into show quality, correct in every way, except color, some fancier with lots of clout and $$$ will decide they want to show them and they will make it happen.

And THAT is why the YTCA is so against them. They know it is going to happen once they get some champion carriers.

if you breed two champion carriers together, chances are, the resulting puppies will be excellent quality.

I think the partis probably started out at good quality, but without others to breed to, they have declined. I have seen quality decline in the last 3 years.
There's that dollar sign again...Hmmm it all seems to be about money...Wont happen as the DQ is gonna get a little more stricter. Please keep talking about the Parti's love hearing about them and what the plans are :)

kpstoybox 09-02-2010 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3260018)
And that statement goes for all Yorkies, you cant just pick a color and say that about one color. It goes for all dogs. they didnt DNA any dogs back in the day, so how do you know your pedigrees are 100% accurate from 20 years ago? So that point really doesnt carry much water does it?
:thumbup:

bchgirl 09-02-2010 06:24 PM
AKC hasn't accepted a new variety for 50 years.

JeanieK 09-02-2010 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3260063)
There's that dollar sign again...Hmmm it all seems to be about money...Wont happen as the DQ is gonna get a little more stricter. Please keep talking about the Parti's love hearing about them and what the plans are :)
YUP $$$$ That is all it will take.

What the plans are is no secret, never has been, it's just now that people are getting worried they are starting to listen.

JeanieK 09-02-2010 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 3260073)
AKC hasn't accepted a new variety for 50 years.
Well then I'd say they are way over due. And we all know the AKC is having cash flow issues.

Breny 09-02-2010 06:40 PM
Hey! What happened to the OP??? :D


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