What does statistics have to do with showing?

there is more than one way to skin a cat :)

Wow!! Are you a physic, a fortune teller maybe? How in the world can you say it will never happen?! How do you know this?





Sorry I just have to comment on this. Do you own a cocker? Have you studied the breed? Shown it?
There is no evidence that supports the cocker got it's health problems simply because of color.

Secondly my family have been owned by cockers for many years, many generations. Not a single one was hard to potty train and all were healthy as can be. In fact I have yet to meet one that was hard to train.

The cocker I have now, Peppi, potty trained herself and is 12 years old today without any serious health problems.

I used to groom dogs. Every Cocker that came to be groomed, and not just by me, crapped on the grooming table. I wonder if that is genetic or were they trained to do that?:D LOL

Please don't quote my posts without the full post. I wasn't replying to you.

Weeeeeeelllll? Maybe they were just really smart? :eek:

LMBO. That's about the only thing these little ones never do. Yep, cockers definitely have that I I pee on you syndrome too. I'm sure you miss grooming them. That's why they brought them to you. LMBO

That is funny!! They sure aren't easy to groom. It's the only thing I really hate about the breed. Too much hair for their own good. I really admire those that show cockers. Keeping them in a full coat is no easy task. I use to keep Peppi in a full coat but now she is kept in a modified puppy cut, it is so much easier.
Have you ever stripped a coat before? I've heard how time consuming it is.

Oh jeez. I'm sorry. I misread that one.:D:D:D:D Really?

I got a cocker once when my kids were in elementary school and it smapped at them. Also had a hard time trainging it to go outside. I ended up taking it back to the breeder. I just tried everything to get from snapping. The pitty mistakes I could handle. Snapping at my kids, no! And the kids would sit on the sofa and we would let her come up to us and still and movement and snap she would go. I am not saying all cockers do this - but the one we had sure did.

Really, wow. Did the breeder not socialize her? I have heard of some cockers being snappy but usually they were from poor backgrounds.
I belong to a big cocker forum and it isn't heard of with many being snappy, just a select few. Many members have young children and their cockers do wonderful with them. They are generally great family dogs. I've learned a ton about the breed from the forum.

Peppi came from a byb but the breeder did well with socializing the pups. Peppi has never snapped at anyone. She loves children, even lets them pull on her long ears with no complaint.

[QUOTE=Elle;3268349]Please don't quote my posts without the full post. I wasn't replying to you.[/QUOTE

That was your full post. So I did not quote part thereof. And I can reply as I see fit on any thread here.

Numerous health problems? Impossible to potty train? Are you serious? All because of a parti gene? Those problems couldn't have anything to do with all that inbreeding to set type...could it?

And last I checked...many yorkies already have these same issue's...and it had absolutely nothing to do with color.

funny..............cause my yorkie is the one that goes everywhere ...he never trained........and my biewer boy will go to the same spot every time........so pie bald gene has nothing to do with potty training for sure.

Oh come on. Just because you groomed a few cockers who did this you cannot make this a genetic thing. This is crazy. I showed/raised Cockers almost 20 years ago and never had those issues. Mine were all house trained and never had accidents on their hours sitting on a grooming table. Maybe the dogs sensed your hostility or dislike of them...:rolleyes:
My last cocker went over the rainbow bridge 2 years ago and she was champion titled and lived to be 15 years old and never once pottyed in the house after the age of 12 weeks! How many yorkie owners can say that? How many exhibitors of yorkies can say that?
To make statements about a breed like that shows me quite a bit about you:rolleyes: and to generalize it even more about the parti color of that breed and the health issues that the cocker is experiencing now is not factual information. Then to even try to link that to the parti colored yorkie talk about far fetched

OK that explains the training prolem with my partis. Now what about the others?

Surely you are not serious!!! :rolleyes:

Bravo....thank you

No one knows where the white got into the mix. but after DNAing 42 litters and their ancestors, the AKC is satisfied that the color occurs naturally in purebred yorkies.

They are AKC.

Not sure if they still are, but they were the #1 biters. I wouldn't want a cocker bite on the face of a child. I love the ears on them. Have you seen Linda Pitt's cocker? :love:

I've been bit more by maltese than any other.

You know what I dont get, is why YTCA denies this. I went back and reread what they had to say about parti yorkies and I copy this from their site:

Parti-Color Yorkshire Terriers?
Do not be fooled into buying one of these dogs.
Now that Designer Dogs are the rage, the “new” Parti-Color Yorkie is certain to draw attention. While we have had problems in the past with “rare gold” Yorkshire Terriers being advertised, the parti-color is a new one! While some breeds have an occasional mismark and some breeds do have a gene for a white dog, we do not. Had there been a problem with white markings, piebald dogs, or white dogs, it would have been addressed in our Standard. Due to unscrupulous breeders advertising parti-colored Yorkshire Terriers at premium prices, our members voted unanimously at our annual meeting to add a disqualification for these and other off colored dogs.

Now what I want to know is why they decided to disqualify them based on how much money breeders sell them for??? Is that YTCA's business to tell breeders what they can and cannot charge (especially of parti breeders who are not members)??? I cant believe they are calling the parti yorkie a "designer dog" when DNA proves otherwise.

I guess my white chocolate cake wouldnt be to their satisfaction because I paid more for it than a traditional homemade chocolate cake. LOL Where is their 18th century reasoning coming from I wonder.

Lisa, you did nothing. This has always been a very heated discussion on YT.

Lisa~

You are such a sweet and precious member of Yorkietalk!! The parti discussion is typically like this, unfortuantely.

Hugs!
Tammy

It's a recessive gene. It's not going to help to know who's had it. You have to understand genetics to understand how it works.

We used to think it was this dog, that dog. Having someone to blame made it make sense. It's more complicated than this.
Current research leads us to believe that liver shunt is a dominant trait with incomplete penetrance and no genetic marker yet. To further complicate things, no conclusion has been reached yet as to whether or poly-genetic. Because it's a dominant trait only one parent needs to be a carrier in order to produce liver shunt. But because there is no genetic marker we have no idea who the carrier is. You can breed a dog 25 times and never have a problem. Then breed him to a bitch that's been bred 3 times without a problem. Out of nowhere, this breeding it may reveal it's ugy head. Sharon Centers is working on a genetic marker. We're closer than ever.

You should do bile acids on puppies. However this is not going to tell you if they are carriers or not. It is a dominate recessive gene. We need a genetic marker.

It is very funny that on one hand they say the color does not exist, and then turn around and DQ it. If it doesn't exist, then why do the need to DQ it.

Have you?

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Aside from the AKC allowing liter registrations for money? Nope. They didn't exist until recently. They're a new trend. This is why the oldtimers won't have anything to do with them. All of the liters they've had, never seeing or hearing of them. Some people that had maltese also had yorkies. They resemble the Tzu, fox terrier, some other breeds as well.

Your opinion on the resemblance, nothing more.
Have you spoken with every single person that has Yorkshire terriers in the United States?
They are not a new trend, they have been around for long time. It's just that the show people kept it so hush hush for fear of being found out that their dog threw a mismarked puppy. Sad to say but it does still go on the putting down of these puppies by show breeders. I know it does.
Elle, I understand you believe in the standard but to come on here and verbally abuse people is just wrong in so many ways.
The only thing in this thread that I ask of the YTCA was to just talk to our club about the parti.
BTW are you a member of the YTCA? Don't you have a code of ethics and conduct?

And we are looking into this type of DNA Testing from a certain company:
"Now, by DNA testing, we can successfully predict the future coat as well as nose colors of puppies. This information can be crucial to satisfy breed standards for dog registration. Using DNA testing to determine the hidden colours of the dam and sire can assist you in choosing the best partners for your breeding stock."

Actually the show breeders haven't seen parti color puppies pop up in litters. And that is one reason most are sure that they're not the result of recessive genes but a cross breeding. The sad thing is that because parti color carriers look normal we will have them start to pop up. Because a few breeders were not ethical enough to sell the first parti color pups as pets and spay and neuter the dogs who produced them we now have a terrible situation in this breed.