Parti Color? YTCA?

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by puppylove11

Please do not treat me like I am an idiot! I have shown many times and have seen what goes on. After all I was taught by some of the best!

Yes, I agree with you !!
Just because someone doesn't do it or seen it done, doesn't mean it not done.
Many of the show breeders I talked to said - pretty much said anything goes.
Do anything you have to in order to get the win, if it legal or not.
Getting the dog Ch is all that matters.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Isn't that pedigree considered records?

Considering we are debating dogs here..I would assume a pedigree was indeed the best record available.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

But wasn't it sdaid that the AKC wasn't allowing any variations. Or did I read that wrong. With my money stacked to the ceiling, it gets a little dim in here, so I kmight have read that wrong. Guess I should spend some of it and buy a bigger screen.
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[Breny]

Originally Posted by Micah my love

Breny are you the breeder of this beautiful boy?

LOL No but I have met him and he is gorgeous!!!

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by puppylove11

Please do not treat me like I am an idiot! I have shown many times and have seen what goes on. After all I was taught by some of the best!

That is why I asked Yorkiekist if she wrote that with a strait face. I know a pink toenail would never keep in otherwise correct blue and tan yorkie out of the ring. Black polish anyone?

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by puppylove11

Are you telling me you have never had a standard yorkie born with pinkish toenails? I find it hard to believe. I have two akc championed sired yorkies and when I bred them together I received white on the chest, white on the back feet and some pinkish toenails. How do you explain that?

Actually, only one puppy had a pinkish toe and it turned black by the time it was 4 months old.
White legged dogs almost always have pinkish toe nails throughout the lifespan.
I am talking about toe nails that STAY pink for the lifetime of the dog.
Small white on the chest is fine in the standard.

[Jaxx]

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom

The Nikko bitch that produced the parti colored pup was not Nikko bred. She was from a breeder in OK. so Gloria Lipman couldn't attest to the purity of the bloodlines behind the bitch.

Gloria Lipman does breed Parti color Yorkies . Her name is on AKC Registration certificates as the breeder . The registration certificate I am looking at right now is for a parti color, born March 30, 2008 with GLORIA LIPMAN listed as the breeder. Both parents of this parti color Yorkie are registered with the kennel name Nikko's .

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

That is why I asked Yorkiekist if she wrote that with a strait face. I know a pink toenail would never keep in otherwise correct blue and tan yorkie out of the ring. Black polish anyone?

Hmmmmm, lets see. How is it that you ARE NOT changing the standard?
blue/tan: change to add tons of white in any pattern
quality/texture/silk hair: true silk hair reflects the light, white does not
pink toenails: Better hire a nail tech as a judge will see your black painted
nails on white feet a mile away!!

Its all a mute point as YTCA will never deal with you parti breeders. Do you really think they will change the standard to suit the likes of the parti breeders that constantly moan and groan and complain about the YTCA and its members? I think not.

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Jaxx

Gloria Lipman does breed Parti color Yorkies . Her name is on AKC Registration certificates as the breeder . The registration certificate I am looking at right now is for a parti color, born March 30, 2008 with GLORIA LIPMAN listed as the breeder. Both parents of this parti color Yorkie are registered with the kennel name Nikko's .

Yes, Jaxx, Gloria Lipman of Nikkos Kennels is the person who had the Parti yorkies tht is well known for it. Others had them but kept hush hush about it.

[bjh]

I can honestly say I have never seen a judge look at a yorkie's toenails. Perhaps some would but I have just never seen it.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Hmmmmm, lets see. How is it that you ARE NOT changing the standard?
blue/tan: change to add tons of white in any pattern
quality/texture/silk hair: true silk hair reflects the light, white does not
pink toenails: Better hire a nail tech as a judge will see your black painted
nails on white feet a mile away!!

Its all a mute point as YTCA will never deal with you parti breeders. Do you really think they will change the standard to suit the likes of the parti breeders that constantly moan and groan and complain about the YTCA and its members? I think not.

No where in the standard does it say the coat must reflect light. It says..."Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture."

The parti would be judged the same except for COLOR. What part of that can't you comprehend? The black cocker spaniel does not have pink toe nails either...but a parti cocker does. Oh..and guess what? They share the same standard except for color. I wonder how they do that?

Twist it all you want...none of this would effect the blue and tan yorkie.

[Elle]

Originally Posted by puppylove11

Please do not treat me like I am an idiot! I have shown many times and have seen what goes on. After all I was taught by some of the best!

The best what?

What were you taught? You are the only person that is saying this. It's ridicules.

[bjh]

I don't really have a lot of confidence in AKC's dna system. It is my understanding that a frequently used sire will be dna'ed but dams rarely get dna'ed unless AKC does a home visit. When AKC does a home visit, if there are any litters on the ground where the sire and dam are present, the AKC inspector has the option of doing dna on both parents and all the pups in their litter. All that dna proves is that those pups were produced out of those parents. Often, many of the dogs behind them are never dna'ed. Frequently used sires are dna'ed but not the dams.

What bothers me is that AKC has something called conditional registration which means that if, through a routine dna check of a dog, it is discovered that the dna is incorrect on that dog and can't be proven for 3 generations then they will issue a conditional registration to any of the offspring of the parents that are in question. If the dogs with questionable registration are bred and their pups are eventually bred those pups will be given a conditional registration, if those pups are bred they are then given full AKC registration because they have 3 generations of supposedly correct breeding. A person would have no way of knowing if another breed had been mixed in 4 generations back.

I guess my point is that it would be real easy for a breeder to sneak in a maltese or s**tz tzu and if they avoid the dna testing for a generation or so then they will get away with mixing in another breed with the yorkies. I feel strongly that this has been done, possible by just a handful of breeders, but once those pups get into hands of other breeders then the damage is done, the genes are set. I feel that is why we are seeing so many parti pups now. It's just a gut feeling and I know many won't agree with me. I know that are many passionate parti breeders that love their parti yorkies and they try hard to produce nice healthy pups but when it comes to showing it is a disqualifying fault and they should respect the YTCA's concern that many of these dogs might not be pure yorkie and they should not be shown.

American Kennel Club - Conditional Registration

[Breezeaway]

Yes there are unscrupulous breeders who do mix just like with any breed. But to lump all parti breeders as being this is wrong. To say there is no parti color in the yorkie is wrong , it has been proven over and over thru the years that they do pop up. Now are they the standard, no, not at this time per YTCA. But it is wrong for the YTCA to slander the Parti on their website calling them designer dogs. AKC did an investigation and they were satisfied after much talking, DNA, and looking the history over to say that they are a Yorkshire Terrier.
Why does the YTCA ignore history? To me that is a big question as how they can write their own history and ignore whats in books and articles from way back.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Yes there are unscrupulous breeders who do mix just like with any breed. But to lump all parti breeders as being this is wrong. To say there is no parti color in the yorkie is wrong , it has been proven over and over thru the years that they do pop up. Now are they the standard, no, not at this time per YTCA. But it is wrong for the YTCA to slander the Parti on their website calling them designer dogs. AKC did an investigation and they were satisfied after much talking, DNA, and looking the history over to say that they are a Yorkshire Terrier.
Why does the YTCA ignore history? To me that is a big question as how they can write their own history and ignore whats in books and articles from way back.

I am not saying all parti breeders are unscrupulous breeders. I am saying that it just to a few accidental or intentional breedings to another breed for the gene pool to be tainted. Then breeders took these dogs and continued to breed them to set the undesirable genes. Whether the parti is pure yorkie or not is not the point. The point is that the white is a major fault and there is a handful of parti breeders that don't want accept that. There are many breeds that have fault colors that can't be shown. Why should the YTCA make the parti yorkie an exception when the YTCA feels they do not meet the standard? I don't feel it is necessary for the YTCA to call them designer dogs, parti are just yorkies with a color fault. How the parti came about is debatable.

As for AKC being satisfied, as I explained earlier, it does not take much to satisfy AKC. It would be quite easy for someone to slip in another breed into the yorkie gene pool and not get caught.

It really does not matter to me one way or another if the parti yorkie is allowed in the show ring. The majority of the parti yorkies I have seen pictures of do not meet the standard in many other ways besides color. I suppose that is why some want to bring in champion bloodline yorkies that have the proper structure and coat texture.