Rosemark responds

[puppylove11]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I see this statement all the time, YTCA is not God, but they are the keeper of the standard and the protector of the breed. Diane is a member and did not follow the code of ethics and conduct of which she signed a paper to uphold when she joined.

This has been my point all along! Diane has been able to vote on the standard being a member of the ytca, but turned around and sold a champion dog from another member's breeding with full akc papers. If members of the ytca believe they are the only ones with the rights to breed yorkies they should police their club better. I know I sound like a broken record, but until all the members of the ytca follow the guidelines set forth by the club they belong to, the ytca has bigger problems to worry about within itself.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by puppylove11

This has been my point all along! Diane has been able to vote on the standard being a member of the ytca, but turned around and sold a champion dog from another member's breeding with full akc papers. If members of the ytca believe they are the only ones with the rights to breed yorkies they should police their club better. I know I sound like a broken record, but until all the members of the ytca follow the guidelines set forth by the club they belong to, the ytca has bigger problems to worry about within itself.

You are incorrect. Diane just became a member last quarter 2009, so she didn't vote on the DQ.

Members don't believe they are the only ones with the rights to breed yorkies, most of us believe if you are breeding you should be breeding to standard.

[golddust]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

Now I wanted to quote the original poster here to make sure that I got this right. The OP states that she DID NOT have a contract with this dog. She sold him with full registration. She trusted this person and that person broke her trust and she will now change her ways of selling show dogs and maintain co-ownership. She then tells Crestwing she is happy that Crestwing loves Marshall Dillon and that she breeds him wisely and for the betterment of the breed. Then further states that she knows that Marshall is capable of producing wonderful puppies when bred correctly.

WHY THE ANGRY COMMENTS?? Do any of you know how the Crestwing lady intends to breed this boy? Have any of you asked?
Then people come on her and start calling people unethical? Do you know that person? Have you seen their ethics first hand? Where did you get your information? Is it reliable? Proof?

I do not know any of the people involved in this. Maybe I should just turn cheek and mind my own, but I cannot seem to do that in this case.

Why such angry comments about the person who obtained Marshall Dillon? How do you know she does not intend to breed him correctly. Maybe I looked at the wrong website, but her adults have some names in their pedigrees ( CH Stardust Spirit Of Bluegrass, Ch. Ron-Del's Lil' Bita Nitro and dam is Ch. Ron-Del's Lil Bita Sparkler, Lil' Blast Jordan Of Siller's Farms out of Ch. Ron-Del's Lil' Bita TNT and M-N-M's Chase A Bunny whose sire is Ch. Chobie's Chu Bear, h. Glenmar's Lord Of The Rings and Ch. Glenmar Ribbons and Roses, CAN CH Glaranik Star Choice, ROM and his dam is CAN CH Precious Gem Shatzi Gold). They may not be the names you might chose to breed, however these people took the time and championed out their dogs. They bred them and placed pups that got into this "unethical" persons hands?? It seems like she is obtaining the best she can to have a chance in producing a champion. She at least said that in her post. Maybe there is something that I am just not seeing.
The OP clearly states she hopes that Marshall Dillon can produce wonderful puppies when bred to a quality bitch. Who is to say that with the above names in her dogs pedigrees that her bitches are not quality. I have not seen them, HAVE YOU?

I have really lost a lot of faith in some of the people on here

DITTO....I could not have said it better.

[golddust]

Originally Posted by Elle

Now you are changing your story. You wanted these answers before didn't you? Now you don't care? What, on with the next round of questions? Why? What about Marshall? You seem to be more concerned on the online image of what has happened than the events. This is bothersome to me. I don't know why you come here posting questions expecting answers. We want answers. Do you have any? You've received plenty of information for your questions already. Why do you continue to keep asking?

We all know the right thing to do. This is just getting worst as time goes on. It would not matter if Marshall went to live in the greatest situation (which I know is absolutely FAR FROM THE TRUTH). The breeder did not give him up to sell. He should not be out where he is.

Golddust, DO YOU KNOW WHAT HE'S BEEN THROUGH? DO YOU KNOW WHAT TYPE OF "HOME" HE'S BEEN IN?

Why are YOU asking so many questions? You seem to have no emotions for anyone in this.

I am only responding back to the posts that are made to what I say. As for where Marshall is or how he lives. If you or the people writing requesting he be returned, or Crestwing do the "right" thing etc. have seen with your own eyes Marshall's current living conditions,then IMO you can not speak on it that is called hear say. Please know you are entitled to your own opinion and should talk privately through messages not posting all this stuff that you have yet to back up with proof.

[golddust]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

So then are you unethical or were you? Did you have a great mentor that helped you go from BYB to what you are? Do you breed? Show?

Is it okay to come on an open forum and make libel statement? Just wondering.

Libral statements are fine opinions are fine....what is wrong is using poeples LEGAL NAMES and KENNEL NAMES on a open forum...and that unfortunately some people sadly have done on this very open forum

[golddust]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

You are incorrect. Diane just became a member last quarter 2009, so she didn't vote on the DQ.

Members don't believe they are the only ones with the rights to breed yorkies, most of us believe if you are breeding you should be breeding to standard.

Before we Know it I guess we will be giving out address and phone numbers. Do people have no right to privacy?

[golddust]

"It’s harder to show mercy than it is to fight. Remember what we become when we focus solely on being right."
....I saw this and thought it was a great thing to pass on today.

[cj125]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

As I stated I do not know her. I own 2 parti colored yorkies. I do not own a biewer. All facts.

"If the Ch's are any further back than 3 generations then you shouldn't be advertising them as Ch pedigrees. JMO" Well that again is YOUR opinion.


"Yes, and your point is?"
My point was that maybe she intends to use the boy on her dogs that have champions further down, in hopes to produce a champion dog. She may intend any number of things for all I know. But if her intentions were poor, then why come here and put it out for everyone to see? Sounds silly to me. Like I stated before...Has anyone bothered to ask? Or did the accusations just start flying? Then it went downhill from there in my opinion.
Do you know this to be FACT?

As I look at her website and her adults page I see she has a dog from a YT member here whom most of you have said has beautiful dogs. Wonder where that dog came from? Would those not be good showlines?

Again, NOT one of those dogs ARE Champions! Infact, there is only one dog that is CH sired... (the son of a Champion) and all the rest are grandson's of Ch - BIG DIFFERENCE from having a Champion!

[cj125]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

Now I wanted to quote the original poster here to make sure that I got this right. The OP states that she DID NOT have a contract with this dog. She sold him with full registration. She trusted this person and that person broke her trust and she will now change her ways of selling show dogs and maintain co-ownership. She then tells Crestwing she is happy that Crestwing loves Marshall Dillon and that she breeds him wisely and for the betterment of the breed. Then further states that she knows that Marshall is capable of producing wonderful puppies when bred correctly.

WHY THE ANGRY COMMENTS?? Do any of you know how the Crestwing lady intends to breed this boy? Have any of you asked?
Then people come on her and start calling people unethical? Do you know that person? Have you seen their ethics first hand? Where did you get your information? Is it reliable? Proof?

I do not know any of the people involved in this. Maybe I should just turn cheek and mind my own, but I cannot seem to do that in this case.

Why such angry comments about the person who obtained Marshall Dillon? How do you know she does not intend to breed him correctly. Maybe I looked at the wrong website, but her adults have some names in their pedigree

(CH Stardust Spirit Of Bluegrass,
Ch. Ron-Del's Lil' Bita Nitro
and dam is Ch. Ron-Del's Lil Bita Sparkler,
Lil' Blast Jordan Of Siller's Farms
out of Ch. Ron-Del's Lil' Bita TNT
and M-N-M's Chase A Bunny
whose sire is Ch. Chobie's Chu Bear, h.
Glenmar's Lord Of The Rings and
Ch. Glenmar Ribbons and Roses,
CAN CH Glaranik Star Choice, ROM and his dam is
CAN CH Precious Gem Shatzi Gold).

They may not be the names you might chose to breed, however these people took the time and championed out their dogs. They bred them and placed pups that got into this "unethical" persons hands?? It seems like she is obtaining the best she can to have a chance in producing a champion. She at least said that in her post. Maybe there is something that I am just not seeing.
The OP clearly states she hopes that Marshall Dillon can produce wonderful puppies when bred to a quality bitch. Who is to say that with the above names in her dogs pedigrees that her bitches are not quality. I have not seen them, HAVE YOU?

I have really lost a lot of faith in some of the people on here

Originally Posted by golddust

Libral statements are fine opinions are fine....what is wrong is using poeples LEGAL NAMES and KENNEL NAMES on a open forum...and that unfortunately some people sadly have done on this very open forum

Well we weren't the only ones writing names, were we?

And don't you consider a website the internet? Because that's exactly where all the above names came from - Crestwing's website - on the internet! The door swings both ways.

Bottom line is - and everyone has already said this - the problem started with a gal named Diane... but everyone shares a part in this - including Crestwing because she had to have a good idea of what was going on. After all, she said herself that she checks pedigrees - so she knows the breeders and kennels names.

[DvlshAngel985]

Interesting thread. May I throw my 2 cents in?

After doing a search for the current owner and the thread in question some things are very crystal clear about this whole situation. There is an obvious wrong and Crestwing is not completely blameless. She proudly stated in her original post about Marshall, and in that post referred back to Marshall's origin. She proudly announced to have one of Rosemarks babies. That to me says she knew where Marshall came from. She knew he was championed and she knew the people she was acquiring the dog from were not the original breeders or even those that worked to champion him. Now, I am assuming Crestwing's is a pet owner like myself with the only difference being that she breeds. In that case, the fact that Marshall was on his third home already (I'm counting the original breeder's home as his first home) there HAS to be something wrong with the situation. Why had a "championed" dog be bounced around from home to home? I understand the why and the how Marshall left his first home, but the 2nd and 3rd rehoming throw huge red flags for me. If I was in Crestwing's shoes, I would have stayed away from that purchase.

I for one would really hope that Crestwing would reach out to Rosemark. That would be the honorable thing to do.If Marshall is pampered and loved, I'm glad. Every single furbaby, yorkie or not deserves that. But it doesn't take away from the fact that he is not where he is meant to be. Why Golddust and Yorkielady don't see that, I don't understand. The claim, "we all have/had to start somewhere" is so bogus. Is it really that much harder to start from a solid foundation?

[Micah my love]

Just my thoughts but it seems that after working his little tail off to put another trophy on someones shelf that he has been pushed from this one to that one until the novelty of owning a well known "show dog" wore off then he is rehomed yet again, has Marshall ever felt real love?

maybe he has at last found a home with someone that will make him feel so loved and cared for, I truly hope so, he is gorgeous. JMO

[yorkielady06]

Originally Posted by cj125

Well we weren't the only ones writing names, were we?

And don't you consider a website the internet? Because that's exactly where all the above names came from - Crestwing's website - on the internet! The door swings both ways.

Bottom line is - and everyone has already said this - the problem started with a gal named Diane... but everyone shares a part in this - including Crestwing because she had to have a good idea of what was going on. After all, she said herself that she checks pedigrees - so she knows the breeders and kennels names.

What I wrote or actually copied was not Libel. I said nothing to harm anyone. I copied a pedigree and nothing more. I did not slam anyone or call them BYB or unethical. Take a look at what is written
And the problem did not start with the Diane lady actually because the breeder was the 1st line and she has stated she will change the way she places show dogs.
I would think it was a good thing that the Crestwing lady checks her pedigrees, that shows she has done some homework like is always suggested on the breeders pages. I applaud her for that. And maybe that was what the lady from Rosemark meant when she said that if the new owner studs him to quality bitches. Hopefully with knowing the lines and what bitch to put him to to improve the breed will happen. Regardless, I hope as I have stated many times that this guy is being spoiled and pampered, he has earned it.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

I would think it was a good thing that the Crestwing lady checks her pedigrees, that shows she has done some homework like is always suggested on the breeders pages. I applaud her for that. And maybe that was what the lady from Rosemark meant when she said that if the new owner studs him to quality bitches. Hopefully with knowing the lines and what bitch to put him to to improve the breed will happen. Regardless, I hope as I have stated many times that this guy is being spoiled and pampered, he has earned it.

Yes, the new owner is very aware of pedigrees, the concern is the motive for checking pedigrees, is it to exploit Marshall or to produce a champion? Time will tell, but your history generally is a good indicator of what you'll do in the future....I'm just sayin'.

[yorkielady06]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

Interesting thread. May I throw my 2 cents in?

After doing a search for the current owner and the thread in question some things are very crystal clear about this whole situation. There is an obvious wrong and Crestwing is not completely blameless. She proudly stated in her original post about Marshall, and in that post referred back to Marshall's origin. She proudly announced to have one of Rosemarks babies. That to me says she knew where Marshall came from. She knew he was championed and she knew the people she was acquiring the dog from were not the original breeders or even those that worked to champion him. Now, I am assuming Crestwing's is a pet owner like myself with the only difference being that she breeds. In that case, the fact that Marshall was on his third home already (I'm counting the original breeder's home as his first home) there HAS to be something wrong with the situation. Why had a "championed" dog be bounced around from home to home? I understand the why and the how Marshall left his first home, but the 2nd and 3rd rehoming throw huge red flags for me. If I was in Crestwing's shoes, I would have stayed away from that purchase.

I for one would really hope that Crestwing would reach out to Rosemark. That would be the honorable thing to do.If Marshall is pampered and loved, I'm glad. Every single furbaby, yorkie or not deserves that. But it doesn't take away from the fact that he is not where he is meant to be. Why Golddust and Yorkielady don't see that, I don't understand. The claim, "we all have/had to start somewhere" is so bogus. Is it really that much harder to start from a solid foundation?

I would like to know why the OP did not seek out his new owner if that was her intention. Did she not know he had been sold not once but twice? Should she have? How many champion pups has she produced? Does she know where they all end up?

I can tell you that I own a bitch with Durrer lines and Rothby lines. Should I be contacting up the chain? How did I end up with one??? How are they in my pedigrees? Somewhere down the line it happened and I got a bitch with full registration. I also had a male with many champions in his lines, champion grand sired and granddam...how did I get him full registration? I own a male and female that are Champion sired and I purchased both with no strings attached. How? What about the person who now owns Marshall, how did she obtain all those dogs with nice pedigrees? How about her champion sired one?

Happens every day and not with just "back door" purchases. I do not buy that at all. How many other people have nice lines in their pets or breeding dogs and they did not buy them from the original kennel. No one can tell me this is isolated nor can they say it is all from "backdoor" purchases.

[yorkielady06]

Originally Posted by jencar98

Yes, the new owner is very aware of pedigrees, the concern is the motive for checking pedigrees, is it to exploit Marshall or to produce a champion? Time will tell, but your history generally is a good indicator of what you'll do in the future....I'm just sayin'.

Do you personally know this woman?
And as someone on here has already admitted to being a BYB then now that she has a mentor and is showing...time will tell?? Her history is a good indicator? I have to disagree.