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rosemark 08-26-2010 08:45 AM
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Folks,

Just to set the record straight, I sold a show prospect with a full registration to a person who showed him to his championship which requires a full registration. I do not sell pets with full registrations. Unfortunately, I trusted this person do the right thing and have learned that I will no longer sell show dogs without remaining as a co-owner so that I can retain control over where my dogs end up. I disliked the fact that other name breeders retained this type of control, but now I understand that it's necessary to retain control of where my dogs end up. A quality breeder's biggest fear is that our dogs will end up poorly cared for or in a puppy mill.

I'm happy that you love your new boy, and I do hope that you breed him wisely and for the betterment of the breed. Marshall is capable of producing wonderful puppies when bred to a quality bitch and if you understand what qualities he brings the table.

WinstonMom 08-26-2010 09:33 AM
It really angers me when things like this happen. It makes it extremely difficult for newer breeders who would never betray trust to obtain quality dogs from quality breeders.

gemy 08-26-2010 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by rosemark (Post 3252305)
Folks,

Just to set the record straight, I sold a show prospect with a full registration to a person who showed him to his championship which requires a full registration. I do not sell pets with full registrations. Unfortunately, I trusted this person do the right thing and have learned that I will no longer sell show dogs without remaining as a co-owner so that I can retain control over where my dogs end up. I disliked the fact that other name breeders retained this type of control, but now I understand that it's necessary to retain control of where my dogs end up. A quality breeder's biggest fear is that our dogs will end up poorly cared for or in a puppy mill.

I'm happy that you love your new boy, and I do hope that you breed him wisely and for the betterment of the breed. Marshall is capable of producing wonderful puppies when bred to a quality bitch and if you understand what qualities he brings the table.
I am so sorry that you had to find out in this way what happened to your lovely boy.

No matter what a contract says, there are some underlying principles and ethics involved with breeding, showing, and ownership of all dogs.

Here in Canada it is pretty common to sell on co-ownership if the dog is on full/open registration.

Mardelin 08-26-2010 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3252384)
I am so sorry that you had to find out in this way what happened to your lovely boy.

No matter what a contract says, there are some underlying principles and ethics involved with breeding, showing, and ownership of all dogs.

Here in Canada it is pretty common to sell on co-ownership if the dog is on full/open registration.
It's very common here too, Gail. As Rosanne said she didn't like those ties. However, because of this particular situation, she's rethinking this, which I know goes against her character, because she is very trusting.

Nancy1999 08-26-2010 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by WinstonMom (Post 3252369)
It really angers me when things like this happen. It makes it extremely difficult for newer breeders who would never betray trust to obtain quality dogs from quality breeders.
I feel exactly the same way, and I feel for breeders who would like to get really great breeding stock, this will just make it tougher for those who are truly motivated do what's right.

jencar98 08-26-2010 10:05 AM
I'm sorry Roseanne you've been betrayed by someone you trusted. Thank you though for coming on and explaining this situation. I just knew in my heart, that you did not approve of Marshall's rehoming this way. But also, knew others here that didn't know of your integrity and might not be aware of your good reputation.

I still can not wrap my mind around the fact that the new owner had the gall to come on here and brag about her back door acquisition of your boy.:eek:

Sbyork 08-26-2010 10:06 AM
Rosanne
I totally know how you feel. I thought many times I could trust a person and everytime end up being used.
There is a woman who has done just that to me and will be praying on many of you. Anyone who wants the her name may PM me and I will be more than happy to help you. It is a BAD sitution and I know for a fact she is praying on the next stupid person. She comees off nice a wonderful BUT I cane give you a nightmare story.
We all need to protect our names and our wonderful dogs.
God welling you boy will be used with care and will be loved!
Sparklingbluyorkies.com

gemy 08-26-2010 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3252420)
I'm sorry Roseanne you've been betrayed by someone you trusted. Thank you though for coming on and explaining this situation. I just knew in my heart, that you did not approve of Marshall's rehoming this way. But also, knew others here that didn't know of your integrity and might not be aware of your good reputation.

I still can not wrap my mind around the fact that the new owner had the gall to come on here and brag about her back door acquisition of your boy.:eek:
Yes and Crest wing's thread is now closed. Gosh I wonder why:rolleyes:

It was rather disingenuous to introduce to us her "new" CH and say she was looking one day for puppies in the ring. If you go to her website she already has a pup listed as being from the Marshall breeding. That means over two months ago she got that dog, or at least had one of her bitches bred by him. And apparently she is a Parti breeder too.

Perhaps she thought no one would notice. eh?

with the Internet it definitely is a small small world we live in.

jencar98 08-26-2010 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3252451)
Yes and Crest wing's thread is now closed. Gosh I wonder why:rolleyes:

It was rather disingenuous to introduce to us her "new" CH and say she was looking one day for puppies in the ring. If you go to her website she already has a pup listed as being from the Marshall breeding. That means over two months ago she got that dog, or at least had one of her bitches bred by him. And apparently she is a Parti breeder too.

Perhaps she thought no one would notice. eh?

with the Internet it definitely is a small small world we live in.
Believe me, I wasn't finished posting on that thread but wasn't surprised when the OP had it closed. WTH was she thinking.....did she think we are all so ignorant here, that we would just congratulate her and go on? Did she not think the way she acquired this boy was wrong.....that she wouldn't be exposed?

I saw her puppy page yesterday too and was appalled at what I read:mad:

cj125 08-26-2010 11:04 AM
Unfortunately, she's not the only one to blame. :rolleyes: (Crestwing)

jencar98 08-26-2010 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 3252483)
Unfortunately, she's not the only one to blame. :rolleyes: (Crestwing)
You're right, there is a least one other. Was Diane Henry aware the friend of hers was selling Marshall to Crestwing?

MadDeDo 08-26-2010 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3252508)
You're right, there is a least one other. Was Diane Henry aware the friend of hers was selling Marshall to Crestwing?
Stephanie Miller was sold Marshall without a contract. Stephanie made a deal with Susan to co-own Marshall because Stephanie felt that Susan had more quality bitches than she did (I believe she only has one female). Marshall was to live with Susan and she was to provide Stephanie with one show prospect out of him per year. He was in both their names for several months. Then a week or two ago Stephanie gave up rights and Marshall was transferred to Susan entirely. He is now in her name only, as I understand it. He is an incredibly nice dog, and I do hope things are done right by him and the Rosemark line.

jencar98 08-26-2010 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MadDeDo (Post 3252532)
Stephanie Miller was sold Marshall without a contract. Stephanie made a deal with Susan to co-own Marshall because Stephanie felt that Susan had more quality bitches than she did (I believe she only has one female). Marshall was to live with Susan and she was to provide Stephanie with one show prospect out of him per year. He was in both their names for several months. Then a week or two ago Stephanie gave up rights and Marshall was transferred to Susan entirely. He is now in her name only, as I understand it. He is an incredibly nice dog, and I do hope things are done right by him and the Rosemark line.

So, Diane Henry sold Marshall to Stephanie Miller without a contract?

Mardelin 08-26-2010 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3252546)
So, Diane Henry sold Marshall to Stephanie Miller without a contract?
Absolutely, and that isn't all off it. All of what will be brought to YTCA's attention. Diane will be dealt with.

But, there is so much more.

gemy 08-26-2010 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MadDeDo (Post 3252532)
Stephanie Miller was sold Marshall without a contract. Stephanie made a deal with Susan to co-own Marshall because Stephanie felt that Susan had more quality bitches than she did (I believe she only has one female). Marshall was to live with Susan and she was to provide Stephanie with one show prospect out of him per year. He was in both their names for several months. Then a week or two ago Stephanie gave up rights and Marshall was transferred to Susan entirely. He is now in her name only, as I understand it. He is an incredibly nice dog, and I do hope things are done right by him and the Rosemark line.
As do I, hope this boy is not yet again rehomed, to resire again. My question is with all the reselling of this dog, did not at least one new owner contact the original breeder of this champ? Like there are a lot of questions I'd like to know about the lines, the health, the tendencies of this sire and what he throws.

You resell a dog without a contract? Why?

This has opened my eyes even more. I will never ever sell a breeding dog without co-ownership.


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