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[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

"On the Internet, where abnormal behavior is the status quo, tempers
can flare in the heat of debate and word wars can last for days or
even weeks. It's not uncommon for users to ridicule, harass or insult
those who disagree with them.

But if you damage someone's reputation by trying to embarrass them in
a public forum, you could be sued for libel or defamation. After all,
there's no reason to assume that the messages you send through
cyberspace are immune from lawsuits."

In todays world you can sue for almost anything. However, as my 2 nephews have told me as well as former YTCA President who was a practicing laywer, defamation is very difficult to prove. One has to prove that business/livelihood has suffered (monitary loss). I've seen cases similar to this, here on YT....they went no where in the courts.

And the interpretation of BYBer is a matter of personal opinion. However, there are several websites that have the correct interpretation. And the person that is being accused of being a BYBer would have to disprove they aren't

[yorkielady06]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

In todays world you can sue for almost anything. However, as my 2 nephews have told me as well as former YTCA President who was a practicing laywer, defamation is very difficult to prove. One has to prove that business/livelihood has suffered (monitary loss). I've seen cases similar to this, here on YT....they went no where in the courts.

And the interpretation of BYBer is a matter of personal opinion. However, there are several websites that have the correct interpretation. And the person that is being accused of being a BYBer would have to disprove they aren't

That is your take and opinion. My brother is a practicing lawyer and according to him it is how it affects the party involved and the facts. Just because the other cases did not go anywhere means nothing. More suits are being filed each day especially for internet cases, they are rising and rising.

Regardless of that, like is being said here, is it ethical? To make a statement that you have no proof of is opening up that can of worms unto yourself. End of story for me.
The fact remains that Marshall is with the Crestwing lady and she states she is pampering him. I hope he has a good home now and that he is used wisely as the OP stated. I also hope he makes beautiful babies for the new owner and that she can put one of them in the ring to show for it.

[lisaly]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Hey, nothing bothers me, Yes I bred my Bitch 2 times, she had 6 pups and I gave them to my friends. I have learned so much about what is right and wrong and have no shame in talking about it. Yes I have been working with a very well known Mentor and have come a long way. I will be showing in Dallas in September. I'm not much, but I am trying to do things the Right way.

You have my deepest and utmost respect for this and for how hard you fought for precious Lola. When I think of her, it warms my heart. I only know what I've learned here. To read about people who do this the right way and who have put their heart and soul into caring and breeding for the love of a dog is truly inspirational. I am completely moved by this.

[cj125]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

That is your opinion about "paying your dues". However, if you use a champion stud have YOU paid your dues? Nope. You did not produce or champion him. You have capitalized on someone elses hard work.
But this would be in a cooperation with the owner/breeder... unlike buying a Championed dog from a third party.

Some championed dogs have nothing but a champion sire, then look down to the 4th generation for the next champion.
Yes, and your point is?

If the Ch's are any further back than 3 generations then you shouldn't be advertising them as Ch pedigrees. JMO

You very much can purchase a championed dog. Do some homework and you will see that. Check puppyfind and see what pops up. They are out there if you have the checkbook.
I have never seen one worth buying - could you post a link to one? I'm sure some have gotten "lucky" and taken their dog to several shows and gotten the points to CH their dog but it's probably the only one they've ever done or will do. This dog came from Champion LINES.

I too believe in unwritten and written rules. One is to be kind to your neighbor. I have not seen that here much. Except from the OP who was quite nice to the new owner. I also hope that Marshall Dillon is in a good home that loves him finally. Not just for "show" or as a commodity. I hope he is living like the little prince that he should have been all along.

Are you sure you don't know Crestwing? You both have partis/biewers.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by lisaly

You have my deepest and utmost respect for this and for how hard you fought for precious Lola. When I think of her, it warms my heart. I only know what I've learned here. To read about people who do this the right way and who have put their heart and soul into caring and breeding for the love of a dog is truly inspirational. I am completely moved by this.

OH, Thanks so much Hon!!!

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

That is your take and opinion. My brother is a practicing lawyer and according to him it is how it affects the party involved and the facts. Just because the other cases did not go anywhere means nothing. More suits are being filed each day especially for internet cases, they are rising and rising.

Regardless of that, like is being said here, is it ethical? To make a statement that you have no proof of is opening up that can of worms unto yourself. End of story for me.
The fact remains that Marshall is with the Crestwing lady and she states she is pampering him. I hope he has a good home now and that he is used wisely as the OP stated. I also hope he makes beautiful babies for the new owner and that she can put one of them in the ring to show for it.

In the show ring? It is my impression that Marshall was not purchased for the show puppies he might produce, only the puppies he would produce to sell. It's exploiting Marshall for his CH. status, something this breeder had nothing to do with earning. How would Sue feel if she had worked hard to bring a dog to it's championship, only to have her dog later used as a marketing tool to sell puppies by someone that had nothing to do with his achievement?

You know, sometimes it's not a matter of what is or isn't legal it's matter of what is right. Whatever happened to holding oneself to a higher standard?

[yorkielady06]

Originally Posted by cj125

Are you sure you don't know Crestwing? You both have partis/biewers.

As I stated I do not know her. I own 2 parti colored yorkies. I do not own a biewer. All facts.

"If the Ch's are any further back than 3 generations then you shouldn't be advertising them as Ch pedigrees. JMO" Well that again is YOUR opinion.

"Yes, and your point is?"
My point was that maybe she intends to use the boy on her dogs that have champions further down, in hopes to produce a champion dog. She may intend any number of things for all I know. But if her intentions were poor, then why come here and put it out for everyone to see? Sounds silly to me. Like I stated before...Has anyone bothered to ask? Or did the accusations just start flying? Then it went downhill from there in my opinion.

As I look at her website and her adults page I see she has a dog from a YT member here whom most of you have said has beautiful dogs. Wonder where that dog came from? Would those not be good showlines?

[yorkielady06]

Originally Posted by jencar98

In the show ring? It is my impression that Marshall was not purchased for the show puppies he might produce, only the puppies he would produce to sell. It's exploiting Marshall for his CH. status, something this breeder had nothing to do with earning. How would Sue feel if she had worked hard to bring a dog to it's championship, only to have her dog later used as a marketing tool to sell puppies by someone that had nothing to do with his achievement?

You know, sometimes it's not a matter of what is or isn't legal it's matter of what is right. Whatever happened to holding oneself to a higher standard?

New Boy, AKC Ch. Rosemark Marshall Dillon
"I am so proud to welcome my new boy. AKC Ch. Rosemark Marshall Dillon. Marshall is everything I ever dreamed of having. I give his breeder many thanks for breeding and raising such a fine boy. My vet was also impressed with him. I look forward to seeing some future puppies in the ring hopefully. Thank you everyone, Sue"
That was her first post...That is what I am basing that on.

[puppylove11]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

Now I wanted to quote the original poster here to make sure that I got this right. The OP states that she DID NOT have a contract with this dog. She sold him with full registration. She trusted this person and that person broke her trust and she will now change her ways of selling show dogs and maintain co-ownership. She then tells Crestwing she is happy that Crestwing loves Marshall Dillon and that she breeds him wisely and for the betterment of the breed. Then further states that she knows that Marshall is capable of producing wonderful puppies when bred correctly.

WHY THE ANGRY COMMENTS?? Do any of you know how the Crestwing lady intends to breed this boy? Have any of you asked?
Then people come on her and start calling people unethical? Do you know that person? Have you seen their ethics first hand? Where did you get your information? Is it reliable? Proof?

I do not know any of the people involved in this. Maybe I should just turn cheek and mind my own, but I cannot seem to do that in this case.

Why such angry comments about the person who obtained Marshall Dillon? How do you know she does not intend to breed him correctly. Maybe I looked at the wrong website, but her adults have some names in their pedigrees ( CH Stardust Spirit Of Bluegrass, Ch. Ron-Del's Lil' Bita Nitro and dam is Ch. Ron-Del's Lil Bita Sparkler, Lil' Blast Jordan Of Siller's Farms out of Ch. Ron-Del's Lil' Bita TNT and M-N-M's Chase A Bunny whose sire is Ch. Chobie's Chu Bear, h. Glenmar's Lord Of The Rings and Ch. Glenmar Ribbons and Roses, CAN CH Glaranik Star Choice, ROM and his dam is CAN CH Precious Gem Shatzi Gold). They may not be the names you might chose to breed, however these people took the time and championed out their dogs. They bred them and placed pups that got into this "unethical" persons hands?? It seems like she is obtaining the best she can to have a chance in producing a champion. She at least said that in her post. Maybe there is something that I am just not seeing.
The OP clearly states she hopes that Marshall Dillon can produce wonderful puppies when bred to a quality bitch. Who is to say that with the above names in her dogs pedigrees that her bitches are not quality. I have not seen them, HAVE YOU?

I have really lost a lot of faith in some of the people on here

I totally agree!

This whole mess could of been avoided if Diane had done the right thing by Marshall, so the fault lays with her and no one else. If Rosemark had so much trust in Diane, Rosemark's issue is with Diane.

The internet does make the world a very small one, but just because something is posted on a public forum or anywhere on the internet does not make it a fact! I have stated I do not know Crestwing, so I do not know how her dogs are kept. I will state just because someone does not breed to the standard of the ytca does not mean they treat their dogs badly and just because some is a member of the ytca does not mean their dogs are well kept and loved! People have rights and people have a right to dream and follow their dreams, rather you agree with them or not, rather they are a ytca member or not. I would never post something on a public forum without knowing for a fact it is true with proof to back it up. To be honest I would never post the name of someone and make statements on a public forum, I would personally take it up with the party involved.

Crestwing has rights and just because you may believe she does not breed to the ytca standard, does not make her wrong! The ytca is a club and set the standard as they believe the standard should be set, but they are not god. We all have a right to believe in what we want to believe in.

[yorkielady06]

I will end on this...

The lady from Crestwing has stated that he is being pampered. That she is hoping for show potential pups from him, and had him vetted says something.
The lady from Rosemark came on and stated her part, that she knows he has potential to sire beautiful pups, and that she is happy that Crestwing loves her new boy.
This is between Rosemark and Crestwing. What I think, what you think, or what anyone but them two think does not matter.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

That is your take and opinion. My brother is a practicing lawyer and according to him it is how it affects the party involved and the facts. Just because the other cases did not go anywhere means nothing. More suits are being filed each day especially for internet cases, they are rising and rising.

Regardless of that, like is being said here, is it ethical? To make a statement that you have no proof of is opening up that can of worms unto yourself. End of story for me.
The fact remains that Marshall is with the Crestwing lady and she states she is pampering him. I hope he has a good home now and that he is used wisely as the OP stated. I also hope he makes beautiful babies for the new owner and that she can put one of them in the ring to show for it.

As I said unless one knows exactly what went down with Marshall, it can only be left to speculation. There is more than meets the eye. And as you said, someone elses hard work.

My nephews are practicing lawyers too. Like I said it's based all on interpretation of the law and how good laywers are at arguing the case.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by puppylove11

I totally agree!

This whole mess could of been avoided if Diane had done the right thing by Marshall, so the fault lays with her and no one else. If Rosemark had so much trust in Diane, Rosemark's issue is with Diane.

The internet does make the world a very small one, but just because something is posted on a public forum or anywhere on the internet does not make it a fact! I have stated I do not know Crestwing, so I do not know how her dogs are kept. I will state just because someone does not breed to the standard of the ytca does not mean they treat their dogs badly and just because some is a member of the ytca does not mean their dogs are well kept and loved! People have rights and people have a right to dream and follow their dreams, rather you agree with them or not, rather they are a ytca member or not. I would never post something on a public forum without knowing for a fact it is true with proof to back it up. To be honest I would never post the name of someone and make statements on a public forum, I would personally take it up with the party involved.

Crestwing has rights and just because you may believe she does not breed to the ytca standard, does not make her wrong! The ytca is a club and set the standard as they believe the standard should be set, but they are not god. We all have a right to believe in what we want to believe in.

I see this statement all the time, YTCA is not God, but they are the keeper of the standard and the protector of the breed. Diane is a member and did not follow the code of ethics and conduct of which she signed a paper to uphold when she joined.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

As I said unless one knows exactly what went down with Marshall, it can only be left to speculation. There is more than meets the eye. And as you said, someone elses hard work.
My nephews are practicing lawyers too. Like I said it's based all on interpretation of the law and how good laywers are at arguing the case.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

I will end on this...

The lady from Crestwing has stated that he is being pampered. That she is hoping for show potential pups from him, and had him vetted says something.
The lady from Rosemark came on and stated her part, that she knows he has potential to sire beautiful pups, and that she is happy that Crestwing loves her new boy.
This is between Rosemark and Crestwing. What I think, what you think, or what anyone but them two think does not matter.

Yes, Marshall does have the potential of siring beautiful pups and he has. But, one has to know how to breed him or he'll produce not so nice puppies.

[Brooklynn]

I just hope and pray the right thing is done. I hope Marshall isn't used incorrectly or bred improperly. For me, it's all about the dog and our precious breed. Things like this really saddens and frustrates me....

Donna