Hope you read on libel and defamation of character....:eek:

Simply put...

All her other dogs came from champions - they weren't one - and almost all are from several generations back.

Marshall is a Championed dog. BIG difference in my book.

To you that may be it. However are all champions sired by champions?
And do people not have to start somewhere?

No, I did not. I saw the website today after reading this entire thread.

I don't see where OP is asking her dog be returned???:rolleyes:

In fact she posted to set the record straight and hasn't been back to this thread again.
I see everybody else has the issues/concern with Marshall and HOW he was acquired, and if it's ethical or unethical.

For whatever reason...
I just hope he's happy and being well taken care of by the new owners:)

Thanks Connie, You are so well versed in Yorkie Lineage!:thumbup:

My question is to you, is why are you asking these questions? Mentioning liability, suit, for what reason? As far as legal names, those are given names, not surnames.

Your questions lead me to believe you have a vested interest.

However, what is on public record; placed there by the person filing such charges cannot be considered defamation of character.

Defamation of character is pretty hard suit to win, one has to prove that they have lost their livelihood because of it.

But, that's besides the poin, how did this get from the concern of a dog and it's welfare to suing someone?

Here we go again. This IS an open forum. Whats so wrong about BYB? I was a BYB at one time!:D

I don't understand what you're asking here.

No, of course not all champions are sired by champions.

Yes, new people do have to start somewhere but it should be - by doing it the right way - not by capitalizing on someone else's hard work. Not because you have the money to buy it.

Doing it the right way is finding a breeder who you like and respect. Work with/for them. Learn as much as you can and then perhaps they'll work with you on a "show prospect" - but I'm sure most will not just hand you a Championed dog!

Yes, this is my opinion, and I'm not always right but I do believe that there are some unwritten rules that we all must honor.

Like I told my kids - ya gotta pay your dues!

Rosanne doesn't have to ask for Marshall to be returned, since he was obtained via the backdoor it would be the expected thing to be done.

Connie,

What you say is correct. Obtaining dogs was difficult say maybe 10 years ago, however people obtaining lines via the backdoor has caused breeders to clamp down on their lines.

I support ethical breeding/breeders. Just what is it that people have to start somewhere? If it's ethical breeding, then those with integrity acquire their dogs through the proper channels and not through back door acquisitions.

You did not see her website the other day, I did. I was appalled at how for a price, dogs could be bought with full registration, IMO ethical breeders would not promote/sell their dogs this way.

That is your opinion about "paying your dues". However, if you use a champion stud have YOU paid your dues? Nope. You did not produce or champion him. You have capitalized on someone elses hard work.

Some championed dogs have nothing but a champion sire, then look down to the 4th generation for the next champion.

You very much can purchase a championed dog. Do some homework and you will see that. Check puppyfind and see what pops up. They are out there if you have the checkbook.

I too believe in unwritten and written rules. One is to be kind to your neighbor. I have not seen that here much. Except from the OP who was quite nice to the new owner. I also hope that Marshall Dillon is in a good home that loves him finally. Not just for "show" or as a commodity. I hope he is living like the little prince that he should have been all along.:D

Looks like she took down the fact that she breeds partis too. Not on the web-site anymore.:thumbdown

I do know the breeder and yes she was nice to the OP, however, it doesn't mean that she is happy about it. Does she want Marshall back, you betcha.

And you are right I only saw the website today. And everyone is entitled to an opinion.

However, this is not about partis, chocolates, blues, golds, oranges, or apples. It is about a champion boy that Rosemark has stated went from her home to another trusted friend who championed him. That person broke her trust and sold him to another. That person then sold him again to Crestwing. How would the lady from Crestwing had known that 2 people prior to her was the untrusted one? Why does she get the brunt of it? She didnt break anyones trust so how does this fall under "backdoor"? Maybe I am misunderstanding what that term means.

The OP sold the original fella with full registration, did the first owner pay higher for that privilege? How about the 2nd? or the 3rd? When show prospects are sold do they not have a higher price tag and/or co-ownership?

My opinion is that if you do not want a dog bred or shown you spay/neuter.
However, I do not expect everyone to do that or believe that. That is what makes it an opinion. But some people are pushing their opinions and in a not so nice way. That is wrong. Plain and simple.

I also support ethical breeders. I have not seen anything to say that the new owner is anything but. I do not know her.

So then are you unethical or were you? Did you have a great mentor that helped you go from BYB to what you are? Do you breed? Show?

Is it okay to come on an open forum and make libel statement? Just wondering.

Monolo's mom has just begun her showing career, and her is my mentor as well as myself.

I don't think she made any statement that is libel. This is an open forum.

Very Nice! What I have learned from YT is that it takes years of training and learning to be a good breeder. I dont buy, "You gotta start somewhere" Buying a dog with full registration simply because you have the money, I dont buy that either. I dont know what would make this situation right. Maybe returning the dog or neutering him and making him a family pet, that would be nice. JMO

You are basing what you say on assumptions, not facts.

Roseanne did sell the dog on full registration on co-ownership. The co-ownership was lifted when the dog was Championed.

So if I came on here and called someone a BYB, that is not libel?
Hmmmm. I would have to hear that from a lawyer.

So how does a self proclaimed BYB go from BYB to showing ?

Hey, nothing bothers me, Yes I bred my Bitch 2 times, she had 6 pups and I gave them to my friends. I have learned so much about what is right and wrong and have no shame in talking about it. Yes I have been working with a very well known Mentor and have come a long way. I will be showing in Dallas in September. I'm not much, but I am trying to do things the Right way.

"Just to set the record straight, I sold a show prospect with a full registration to a person who showed him to his championship which requires a full registration. I do not sell pets with full registrations. Unfortunately, I trusted this person do the right thing and have learned that I will no longer sell show dogs without remaining as a co-owner so that I can retain control over where my dogs end up.

"Yes Diane Henry was owner of Marshall. She sold him to a friend of mine. I told her if she ever decided to sell him I would love to give him a home. So I am pampering Marshall in my home now."
That was where I got my facts from, no assumption there. Went from Rosemark, to Diane, to a friend, to Crestwings' hands. 4th home...in ?? how old is this guy? Roseanne did not say she sold him on a co-ownership in her post that I could see.

Let me ask, now why are you attacking me? Tell me your interpretation BYB? My interpretation may be different from yours and why are you so concerned? No one has said anything to you? I dont get your anger?

Where do you see anger?

"A backyard breeder is someone who keeps a number of dogs and either breeds them deliberately or just lets them breed. Backyard breeders may have a few dogs or many, one breed or several. They usually have no understanding of or concern about the breed standard, genetics, socializing the dogs, and maintaining their health. Don't confuse them with "hobby breeders," who breed small numbers of dogs and care for their dogs well.

A backyard breeder who is successful in selling puppies may decide to expand and become a puppy miller -- someone who breeds dogs with profit as the one and only motive and concern. More often, though, backyard breeders simply allow the dogs they have to breed, and they often keep many of the offspring. They frequently end up with too many dogs to care for properly. Backyard breeders get new dogs from a variety of sources, among them from ads offering dogs "free to good home"

Nice, but for me you can thow in "Hobby Breeders" in your discription.

Sorry but not my description. I quoted it because it is closest to what is generally accepted as a BYB. And hobby breeders are in there already.

Back onto the subject. I am glad that the lady from Crestwing states she is now pampering Marshall. That should be what counts the most here.

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