Long Tail...what do you do?

[TwoforFun]

Originally Posted by bjh

Mary, that gives me goose bumps reading this. I am glad I had two girls.

Trust me is not easy to stay and hear them, imaging them feeling rip their skin. I didn't have it done to my boy's, I make sure they clean very well.
Sorry off the subject but I had to get it off my system.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by TwoforFun

Trust me is not easy to stay and hear them, imaging them feeling rip their skin. I didn't have it done to my boy's, I make sure they clean very well.
Sorry off the subject but I had to get it off my system.

I was a nurse in mhy previous life. The first time I assisted in a vasectomy and as the Dr picked up the scalpel, I looked at her and excused myself, walked to the hallway and passed out......

So, I don't dock or remove dew claws for kicks.....I abhor it, just like whelping isn't my favorite thing to do.

I've spoken to a few people in Europe where docking is no longer practiced and some wish it could still be done as, they some of their dogs are experiencing tail fractures. The yorkie tail is thinner than other canines.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Oh, and I did not have him circumsized just for kicks. Nor do I think that anyone who docked my yorkies tails did it for kicks.

People do things to dogs for kicks alright and it is not docking of tails.......they burn them with cigarettes, poor acid on them, tie them to cars and drag them, electrocute them, .........lots of awful things. They are the people to be called out imho.

NOW this kind of treatment I would be screaming about!!!! That is what horrible is and horrific!!! That is what gets my blood to boiling!!!!

[WinstonMom]

This is a little off topic but in the hospital where I work, not so many years ago, they used to do a lot of surgery on the little preemie babies without any anaesthetic because the only anaesthesia that they had was too hard on their little systems. The docs just said that they would never remember it. If they had time before the surgery, the nurses used to secretly give the poor little babies some novocaine so at least it wouldn't be as bad.

[Stryker]

Hello I'm back...I've been gone most of the day. My little boy had their 2nd grade parade for their 100th day of school. He dressed like he was 100 years old. So stinking cute.

First I wanted say that my friends want to buy a dog that is finished abroad and bring it here to finish. He and his wife are from Europe and wanted to buy a dog from there. They came to meet me when I was showing Stryker and they brought photos of the dogs that they are interested in. They are just incredible dogs. I really don't know what to tell them about the tail. These are very expensive dogs from some of the top lines. They found most of the breeders on Sweety Blue site.
Beautiful Beautiful dogs.......little pricey but awesome dogs.

Now for the other issue discussed. I just went Monday and had my 3 day old pups tails and dews removed. I went back with the Vet and she taught me how to do both. She wanted me to how to do it correctly so if I decided to do it myself. The pups never looked in distress and did not even flinch when she twisted the tails off. I did but they didn't. So with that said.....I would never do anything to an animal that I thought was cruel or inhumane. I have stood in the middle of Highways and roads in order to rescue strays and found homes for them. It is something I am very passionate about and I am a dedicated advocate for all animals.
I am curious why someone who obviously has an aversion to docking would post a response to a question that was clearly directed towards show exhibitors and breeders. We do not dock tails and dews for the fun of it or for kicks..we do this because that is the standard and we SHOW our dogs. In order to do that we must be within the standard. It is my objective to show these pups IF they turn out to have what it takes. If the AKC standard ever changes and we are given an option I would certainly consider leaving the tails long. However there is no option and therefore we dock.

Thank you exhibitors/breeders for the advice. I suppose I will tell my new friends to buy the dog if they find one they really like. The dogs were awesome and would certainly be competitive in the ring. I am very new to showing so I hesitate to give advice. Three years is not near enough experience to give advice. It took me that long to finally get in the ring. However with this forum I can always jump on here and get some advice from seasoned exhibitors and breeders. So thanks again......

One other thing........YYAY New York is almost here.....I am soooo excited!!! Got my new hat in today!! EEEEEEE

[Stryker]

Hey where are my posts at????
I posted a response twice...now sure where they are...
Hmmmmmmm?

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Me too.

At least the pups get even with me....9 times out of 10, as I begin to get them into position.....guess what they poop on me.....

HAHAHA Thats funny......

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Everyone is entitled to posting their opinion. However, rudeness is not necessary. Especially when addressing them to a respected YT member that contributes so much to the forum. One of your threads addressing this subject has already been locked because of your rudeness.


I strongly suggest you read the following thread, before you post again

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...d-respect.html


AKC Standard

General Appearance
. That of a long-haired toy terrier whose blue and tan coat is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self importance.
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Head
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Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black. Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart.

Body
Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump.
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Legs and Feet
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Forelegs should be straight, elbows neither in nor out. Hind legs straight when viewed from behind, but stifles are moderately bent when viewed from the sides. Feet are round with black toenails. Dew claws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dew claws on the forelegs may be removed.

Tail
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Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level of the back.
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Coat

Quality, texture and quantity of coat are of prime importance. Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture. Coat on the body is moderately long and perfectly straight (not wavy). It may be trimmed to floor length to give ease of movement and a neater appearance, if desired. The fall on the head is long, tied with one bow in center of head or parted in the middle and tied with two bows. Hair on muzzle is very long. Hair should be trimmed short on tips of ears and may be trimmed on feet to give them a neat appearance.
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Colors
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Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply: BLUE: Is a dark steel blue, not a silver blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. TAN: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.
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Color on Body
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The blue extends over the body from back of neck to root of tail. Hair on tail is a darker blue, especially at end of tail.
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Head fall
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A rich golden tan, deeper in color at sides of head, at ear roots and on the muzzle, with ears a deep rich tan. Tan color should not extend down on back of neck.

Chest and Legs
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A bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs nor above the stifle on the hind legs.

Weight
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Must not exceed seven pounds.

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Disqualification
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Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.

Wow, I just read the "Earned Respect" Thread. It was awesome...My question was asked because I want to be able to give the best advice I can to a fellow Yorkie lover. We love yorkies and always have their best interest at heart. I am not "Despicable", I am passionate and committed to doing everything I can to exhibit and breed according to AKC standards. Always keeping in mind the health and welfare of my babies. I am and alway will do what is right for my yorkies.

I am a bit insulted....no I am incredibly insulted....

[PrestigeousYT]

I can tell you from hands on experience. I imported one and had her tail docked, it is a FULL surgery, I did it so she could be shown here. She was in the ring within 3 weeks or so. However, she did not make the cut, my handler evaluated her and chose a female from my own breeding (Blu)to show over her. She is a spayed pet now.
I now can also speak from experience from owning one with a full tail that was also an import. The problem/fear I have for him is, the pups want to pull him around by his tail.
So I have to really watch Darcy, she is a really playful girl and I am afraid she could break his tail. So, when she is out, I put him up and he gladly comes running for me to put him up.

[Stryker]

I posted three comments yesteday and they never showed up. It said something about the moderator had to review it. I have never seen that happen before. Why would that happen?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Stryker

I posted three comments yesteday and they never showed up. It said something about the moderator had to review it. I have never seen that happen before. Why would that happen?

Pam,

At times posts will go automatically to the moderator....key words can trigger it. Kind of like Spam.....more than likely nothing is wrong with your posts, if there is, moderator will send you an explanation.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Wow, I just read the "Earned Respect" Thread. It was awesome...My question was asked because I want to be able to give the best advice I can to a fellow Yorkie lover. We love yorkies and always have their best interest at heart. I am not "Despicable", I am passionate and committed to doing everything I can to exhibit and breed according to AKC standards. Always keeping in mind the health and welfare of my babies. I am and alway will do what is right for my yorkies.

I am a bit insulted....no I am incredibly insulted....

Pam,

My post was not directed at you.

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Pam,

My post was not directed at you.

Oh I know who it was intended for, I hope they got the message.
My posts finally came through and it addresses the the person who commented about me be despicable for docking tails. I care so deeply for all my babies and would never harm them. I appreciate the "Earned Respect" thread it states my sentiments completely.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Oh I know who it was intended for, I hope they got the message.
My posts finally came through and it addresses the the person who commented about me be despicable for docking tails. I care so deeply for all my babies and would never harm them. I appreciate the "Earned Respect" thread it states my sentiments completely.

People sometimes state things out of emotion and not based on facts and first hand knowledge of the subject matter. So, we can't allow those people to have that much power over our emotions.

Continue what you're doing, you have nothing to explain to anyone about. As long as you're doing everything in your breeding practice to improve the breed and in the best interest of your dogs, follow a a good code of ethics and conduct, that's all that matters.

[Kicki]

Hello! My exprerience is that a full tail does not brake easily. Our first yorkie was docked and of course, the first one with a full tail looked strange compared to the silhouette I was used to. Now, docked seem odd to me =) So, it's what you're used to. IMHO some breeds have "ugly" tails (like pigtailed rottweilers), but yorkies full tail is beautiful just as long as it is straight and carried beautifully. Pigtails are not nice on yorkies either...