learning question

[Brooklynn]

[QUOTE=Brooklynn;3097005]
I want to confess that I've am guilty of misconduct too and will happily stand in judgement...I've put hairspray, styling gel, conditioning spray and anti-stat in my dog and that's a fact please with my blessing file a complaint.


Oh let me add to this list...shampoo and conditionar that I bathed him with that morning, Vellas Satin Cream, Laminates by Sebastian for shine (although he doesn't need it but it smells pretty) all what would be considered all altering a dogs natural appearance and a foreign substance in the coat...but unfortuantely I guess you'll have to file a complaint on everyone....I guess someone is gonna be really busy LOL

[gemy]

[quote=Brooklynn;3097077]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I want to confess that I've am guilty of misconduct too and will happily stand in judgement...I've put hairspray, styling gel, conditioning spray and anti-stat in my dog and that's a fact please with my blessing file a complaint.


Oh let me add to this list...shampoo and conditionar that I bathed him with that morning, Vellas Satin Cream, Laminates by Sebastian for shine (although he doesn't need it but it smells pretty) all what would be considered all altering a dogs natural appearance and a foreign substance in the coat...but unfortuantely I guess you'll have to file a complaint on everyone....I guess someone is gonna be really busy LOL

Me too ... I will wash Razz tonight with a clarifying shampoo,then Biogroom Oatmeal shampoo, Use Biogroom Silk conditioner, and float his coat in a protein rich conditioner, then finish with Drape. When I blow dry I will use Vellus anti static spray , and for wrapping his coat up I will use a mixture of oils, and coconut oils prior to placing the wraps.

I will clean his eyes and ears, and trim his nails. Due to the wraps which will need to come out and he will need to be rewashed prior to showing this weekend I will have to iron out a wave in the coat.

So there you go... and I am no different than I guarantee the other 99.9% of show exhibitors who need to care expressively for a show coat.
Do some enhance, do some color? Obviously yes, but as others has expressed on this thread, there are much bigger issues to be concerned about

[straightsilk]

Section 8-C.

I think the topic of grooming products may obscure the issue of color.

These rules apply to all breeds.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by straightsilk

Section 8-C.

I think the topic of grooming products may obscure the issue of color.

These rules apply to all breeds.

hairspray/gel in a top knot or putting a finishing spray is NO different than putting color on the dogs coat.......it's BOTH considered a foreign product in the dogs coat...

I know someone that was excused from the ring because the coat was excessivly oily due to not getting all the shampoo out or maybe it was the water didn't get it out but nonetheless it was excessed for a foreign product in the coat and all it was was the dogs natural oils....

It's all black and white....it's all a foreign product "fact"

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by straightsilk

Section 8-C.


These rules apply to all breeds.

I guess beagles wear hairspray and gel in their topknot LOL or a pug...so not all breeds would require the same grooming products

[straightsilk]

They're not talking about hairspray, grooming gel, etc. here. The word "foreign substance" doesn't exist. I was hoping you'd actually look at your copy of the rules before you replied again.





SECTION 8-C. No dog shall be eligible to compete
at any show and no dog shall receive any award at any
show in the event the natural color or shade of natural
color or the natural markings of the dog have been
altered or changed by the use of any substance whether
such substance may have been used for cleaning purposes
or for any other reason. Such cleaning substances
are to be removed before the dog enters the ring.

If in the judge’s opinion any substance has been used
to alter or change the natural color or shade of natural
color or natural markings of a dog, then in such event
the judge shall withhold any and all awards from such
dog, and the judge shall make a note in the judge’s book
giving his reason for withholding such award. The handler
or the owner, or both, of any dog or dogs from
which any award has been withheld for violation of this
section of the rules, or any judge who shall fail to perform
his duties under this section, shall be subject to
disciplinary action.


ETA That is the reason you see chalk flying in the grooming areas. They are removing the excess with a brush and a blow dryer.

[Sunnie]

why did I see this coming?? it never ends.... just puzzles me what is the point?? what is the motivation??

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Sunnie

why did I see this coming?? it never ends.... just puzzles me what is the point?? what is the motivation??

Yeah...the whole point trying to be proven here is lost.... 1/3 of this member's posts are in controversial, locked threads. Go figure.

Congrats. You spent days searching and reading though old threads to find a post that clearly of of some concern to only one member (you). Now what?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Sunnie

why did I see this coming?? it never ends.... just puzzles me what is the point?? what is the motivation??

Very evident that this a Gotcha Thread. My bad by not realizing on a learning that what is posted can be misconstrued and used against one.

Again if a misconduct is committed, it must be in the ring and the complaint filed by the judge.

The rule was put in place with more serious infractions such as dental, phyiscal altering, surgies.

And is stated in prior posts, a foreign substance is color, hairspray, gels, topical coat enhancers, anti-stats.....anything, so if a judge really wanted to take it to the max....every dog in the ring and most at a dog show would be dismissed from the ring. Yes, a dismissal, not a disqualification.

My next question would be, to the original YT member that brought this out? Am I selling you a show dog? I don't think so. But, if I was I would think you would be a bit more concerned over the health of the dog you were purchasing.

[Mardelin]

Since this is a learning thread, anybody know what the poof in topknow is used for?

[Mardelin]

[quote=gemy;3097095]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Me too ... I will wash Razz tonight with a clarifying shampoo,then Biogroom Oatmeal shampoo, Use Biogroom Silk conditioner, and float his coat in a protein rich conditioner, then finish with Drape. When I blow dry I will use Vellus anti static spray , and for wrapping his coat up I will use a mixture of oils, and coconut oils prior to placing the wraps.

I will clean his eyes and ears, and trim his nails. Due to the wraps which will need to come out and he will need to be rewashed prior to showing this weekend I will have to iron out a wave in the coat.

So there you go... and I am no different than I guarantee the other 99.9% of show exhibitors who need to care expressively for a show coat.
Do some enhance, do some color? Obviously yes, but as others has expressed on this thread, there are much bigger issues to be concerned about

Gemy,

If rules were followed to the T....we aren't even suppose to have conditioner on a dog's coat. This changes the texture of the coat.

[WinstonMom]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Since this is a learning thread, anybody know what the poof in topknow is used for?

All I know is that you can certainly "enhance" the appearance of your dog's head with it and can balance out head that might not be the best with the size of the poof.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by straightsilk

They're not talking about hairspray, grooming gel, etc. here. The word "foreign substance" doesn't exist. I was hoping you'd actually look at your copy of the rules before you replied again.





SECTION 8-C.

If in the judge’s opinion any substance has been used
to alter or change the natural color or shade of natural
color or natural markings of a dog, then in such event
the judge shall withhold any and all awards from such
dog, and the judge shall make a note in the judge’s book
giving his reason for withholding such award.


ETA That is the reason you see chalk flying in the grooming areas. They are removing the excess with a brush and a blow dryer.

To me, the answer for you is with the above highlighted. When it comes down to it, it really is about what the judge thinks, right? I think you're splitting hairs

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by winstonmom

all i know is that you can certainly "enhance" the appearance of your dog's head with it and can balance out head that might not be the best with the size of the poof.

bingo. There's no perfect dog.

[gemy]

[quote=Mardelin;3097255]

Originally Posted by gemy

Gemy,

If rules were followed to the T....we aren't even suppose to have conditioner on a dog's coat. This changes the texture of the coat.

I know Mary, and not only for Yorkies either. We as you know have another breed we show and will one day breed, and believe you me there are lots of products that go into that coat, to if needed coarsen the coat, add lift and volumne, and we are not getting into what you can do with a talented pair of scissors. And one of the first things my pro handler said to me when he specialed Magic, well glad to see a few gray hairs, at least you and judge know there is no coloring going on. We have dQ'd if there is a white patch on chest greater than a certain diameter, and the only acceptable color is black or black with some grey hairs. In summertime as we are in the sun alot with training and hiking I will use a color wash to protect the black from going reddish from the sun plus an SPF cream from Plush Puppy which is really great in protecting the coat from sun damage.