Please help Emma find a forever home

[Yorkielove1]

Uggh this whole thing is disgusting! I try to bite my tongue but i just cant!! The title of this thread is "find emma a good home" It looks like lots of those have been offered!! I msg'd Chachi to apologize for judging before getting my info straight, and i meant that sincerely! I agree with her 100 percent. this is all about money and not about emma! Im sick with disappointment.. and to start the other thread? Sheesh talk about adding fuel to the fire!!

[Lexismom09]

Oh my, Emma attacked her other dog, I must have missed that. Ok I would be thank full if someone would take her, spay her, train her and rehome her!
I am sorry you lost money on this, but it should be in the BEST interest of everyone in your household to get poor Emma (yes even if she attacked, she is also a victim here!) out of the house.
Is she still in your house? Do you have her being fostered somewhere?
The director of Avian Rescue must be in that body of yours somewhere! You came here for help and advice and it has been given. If you weren't open to that then what was your motive here?

[Yorkielove1]

Originally Posted by Lexismom09

Oh my, Emma attacked her other dog, I must have missed that. Ok I would be thank full if someone would take her, spay her, train her and rehome her!
I am sorry you lost money on this, but it should be in the BEST interest of everyone in your household to get poor Emma (yes even if she attacked, she is also a victim here!) out of the house.
Is she still in your house? Do you have her being fostered somewhere?
The director of Avian Rescue must be in that body of yours somewhere! You came here for help and advice and it has been given. If you weren't open to that then what was your motive here?

I agree 100 percent!!

[speleogirl37]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

The original issue was: Is the dog pictured the same. All of these other issues cropped up later. I believe that it would be very hard to establish from internet pictures if the dog pictured was the dog received. If Emma's registration papers have DNA information then perhaps she could be DNA tested to verify that the dog is the same. Is the issue still whether or not the Emma in the picture is the Emma that was sent? Does Emma answer to her name? I would think it highly unlikely that the seller would have two very similar looking dogs that responded to the same name. I would be surprised if Emma's name was changed if she has been in her new home long enough for a new name to be well established.

The buyer knew about the aggression issues, so tht shouldn't even be part of the continuing discussion. Judges and juries deal with fact, and since Gina knew in advance that Emma had aggression issues it would be difficult for a jury to award judgement against the seller for that issue.

The topic of this thread is that Emma needs to be OUT of the buyer's house asap and Gina was asking for help in getting that done. She has a standing offer by Amanda.

EXACTLY!! She acts like she wants her out ASAP, BUT she has one excuse after another. WHY????

[livingdustmops]

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[Nancy1999]

Here are her own words,http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...dog-you-7.html Post 97.

As for buyers remorse. Yeah, I guess in a way it is. I was looking for something specific and she knew that. I didn't get what I purchased. I told her flat out that I didn't want just ANY dog, I wanted THE dog that was a good fit for my family because this was a serious commitment to me.

She sold this dog as breeding stock. Breeding stock is a short square body with a small nose and soft, silky haircoat. Emma has a long body with a long nose and wire hair. She is NOT breeding stock!

And yes, she cleans up ok and looks cute for about an hour before her hair falls and she looks like the pictures I posted in this thread (which is what happened). The original pictures that were sent to me show a dog with a full, silky coat.

Sounds like she thought she could get a perfect breeding dog for $850.00. Just because someone sells you a dog with breeding rights, it no way implies that dog is suitable for breeding. You are much more likely to get a perfect representation of the breed, if a breeder sells with limited registration. However, this was a CKC dog and they don't offer this option.

[Borinal]

Originally Posted by jp4m2

I have to agree, she should have gladly settled for the $850....

We were willing to, but she was not willing to give it back to us. We asked her to send us the funds and we would return Emma, she refused. So we asked her to place the funds in escrow under the condition of cash on delivery which she also refused. She wanted us to send the dog back and take her word that she would actually refund us our money. So the best that one can assume from her reaction is that she never intended to give us our money back. She also purchased 2 new dogs as soon as receiving our funds and cried poverty in her e-mails we suspected that she did not have the money to give back to us, and still do suspect that.

On another note if I were to purchase a Laptop from an online retailer and they shipped me a Desktop why should it be my responsibility to pick up, shipping, return shipping, and processing? I do believe that I stated she also wanted us to eat the vet bills which the only thing relating to travel of the $120 was a $15 travel certificate. A good amount of the vet cost was Interceptor for HER dogs. That's the same as them also telling me they could not refund me the cost of the software for the computer when I did not receive it or order it at all either.

So forgive me for not being elated with receiving back half of what I spent for something that I did not agree to in the first place. You all keep asking "Well, is Emma not your dog? How was she dumped on you." Well, no she is NOT our dog. Jasmanea NEVER shipped the dog that we adopted. She shipped us a problem that she wanted to get rid of and represented it as something entirely different. Why else would we pay $1150 to adopt a dog that the general consensus of adopt value is $300-$400. We would NOT, we were scammed.

You are all trying to make us look like the bad guys. Emma is not being abused, neglected, nor is her life in danger. The dogs are being gated away from each other to prevent further incidents but not to be unfair to either of the dogs. But this is NOT a situation that we want to live with long term, nor would it be one that any of you would.

The bottom line is that the dog has been here a week and a half. The answer is No, we have absolutely no attachment to Emma. Do we want what is best for her, yes. But that does not make me a bad person for HONESTLY attempting to offset her cost and to pursue legal recourse. Are we willing to give her away or hand her over to a total stranger? No. Who would be? Everyone was outraged that we got ripped off and now they all think we should just take it up the a$$ and hand her over to someone else. Everyone says it but I've yet to have an offer to adopt her for the $1150, pay to have her spayed, and turn her over to a rescue organization. Any member here that is seriously willing & compelled to not be a self-righteous hypocrite; please feel free to send me a PM.

Face it, if it were your money you would feel the exact same way. Which is why nothing has been done other than self-righteous bantering on this forum. Handing the dog over to a complete stranger and eating the cost of her adoption is just not realistic as much as you all want it to be.

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by Borinal

We were willing to, but she was not willing to give it back to us. We asked her to send us the funds and we would return Emma, she refused. So we asked her to place the funds in escrow under the condition of cash on delivery which she also refused. She wanted us to send the dog back and take her word that she would actually refund us our money. So the best that one can assume from her reaction is that she never intended to give us our money back. She also purchased 2 new dogs as soon as receiving our funds and cried poverty in her e-mails we suspected that she did not have the money to give back to us, and still do suspect that.

On another note if I were to purchase a Laptop from an online retailer and they shipped me a Desktop why should it be my responsibility to pick up, shipping, return shipping, and processing? I do believe that I stated she also wanted us to eat the vet bills which the only thing relating to travel of the $120 was a $15 travel certificate. A good amount of the vet cost was Interceptor for HER dogs. That's the same as them also telling me they could not refund me the cost of the software for the computer when I did not receive it or order it at all either.

So forgive me for not being elated with receiving back half of what I spent for something that I did not agree to in the first place. You all keep asking "Well, is Emma not your dog? How was she dumped on you." Well, no she is NOT our dog. Jasmanea NEVER shipped the dog that we adopted. She shipped us a problem that she wanted to get rid of and represented it as something entirely different. Why else would we pay $1150 to adopt a dog that the general consensus of adopt value is $300-$400. We would NOT, we were scammed.

You are all trying to make us look like the bad guys. Emma is not being abused, neglected, nor is her life in danger. The dogs are being gated away from each other to prevent further incidents but not to be unfair to either of the dogs. But this is NOT a situation that we want to live with long term, nor would it be one that any of you would.

The bottom line is that the dog has been here a week and a half. The answer is No, we have absolutely no attachment to Emma. Do we want what is best for her, yes. But that does not make me a bad person for HONESTLY attempting to offset her cost and to pursue legal recourse. Are we willing to give her away or hand her over to a total stranger? No. Who would be? Everyone was outraged that we got ripped off and now they all think we should just take it up the a$$ and hand her over to someone else. Everyone says it but I've yet to have an offer to adopt her for the $1150, pay to have her spayed, and turn her over to a rescue organization. Any member here that is seriously willing & compelled to not be a self-righteous hypocrite; please feel free to send me a PM.

Face it, if it were your money you would feel the exact same way. Which is why nothing has been done other than self-righteous bantering on this forum. Handing the dog over to a complete stranger and eating the cost of her adoption is just not realistic as much as you all want it to be.

The question remains, can you provide proof positive that the dog you received is not the dog pictured?

[Carsons Mommy]

Originally Posted by speleogirl37

No one pushed this "problem" on you. You knew she was aggressive. To be honest, if I was looking for a dog and the description had the word aggressive in it, and I had children and/or dogs I would be looking for another dog!!

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!! God, it's YOUR own damn fault. You bought a 1.5 year old dog THAT YOU HAD NEVER MET. You KNEW she was agressive with another female so why in the hell would you think that she wouldn't be agressive with yours? That's the RISK YOU TAKE WHEN YOU BUY A DOG YOU HAVE NEVER MET AND HAVE HER SHIPPED TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!! I feel sorry for the breeder as I don't think she was even in the wrong here!

[Borinal]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Here are her own words, http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...r-home-11.html Post 97.


Sounds like she thought she could get a perfect breeding dog for $850.00. Just because someone sells you a dog with breeding rights, it no way implies that dog is suitable for breeding. You are much more likely to get a perfect representation of the breed, if a breeder sells with limited registration. However, this was a CKC dog and they don't offer this option.

We had NO intention of breeding her. It has nothing to do with a perfect breeding dog. If you are selling it as breeding stock I would expect it to be a good representation of the breed. We stated in the ad that she needed to be spayed as a requirement. Did any of you even read that ad? The honesty is more than likely the reason that we have had ZERO interest in her so far.

Everyone here seriously needs to quit twisting things around.

We were not even shipped the dog that we adopted. Nothing else here is at question or matters. It's a general agreement that is NOT the dog in the pictures and the disposition is FAR from what was discussed. How hard is this to wrap your heads around? It would not be in any other situation. This was a business transaction we beat around the bush and make every life out to be so precious and etc but the bottom line is that if we can't accept the reality of things none of you would have a dog to begin with unless it was given to you. But this is all beside the point, we were scammed, emma's life is not in danger with us or the breeder so get over it. We are doing everything that we can to find her a good placement. Handing her over to rescue is not going to happen. I highly doubt that given the circumstance any of you would actually do it and you can't expect us to.

[QuickSilver]

Okay, I can't say I completely what's going on here, but let's not be too quick to judge. It's still only been a few days since this whole thing started. Teiya still needs time to process everything.

First, let's imagine that you get a dog shipped to you. You paid $1100 but the dog is aggressive and doesn't appear to be the same dog pictured. The dog attacks your other dog and you incur $500 in vet costs.

At this point, I would be thinking about how to give the dog back and how to get my money back. I think there's emotionally a difference between spending money on a sick dog you've bonded with and a healthy dog that isn't a good fit in your household. Honestly, if I found myself out $1600 and saddled with the responsibility of finding this new dog a good home, I would be pretty ticked.

In the ksl ad, Emma appears to be represented accuractely. The ad notes that she will need to be in a household with no children or other dogs. Other people recommended that she be adopted, so I don't think there's a problem running a local add.

I can't say for sure obviously, but it still looks to me like Teiya is trying to weigh several different options at once. The spay decreases Emma's value by a few hundred at most, correct? Considering how much money Tieya is already out, I'd be surprised if that was a major factor. If she's getting legal advice not to spay, I can see why should would hold off for at least another few weeks while she works out what's best. Presumably Emma can be kept in a separate part of the house to prevent aggression problems. I just watched an episode of 'It's Me or The Dog' where Victoria helped a couple with a Jack Russell who wanted to kill the new dog.

Also, just to clarify a minor point, Teiya will need to drive the dog out, then drive herself back. A five hour drive is a ten hour round trip, a drive halfway is five.

For some reason, I feel like things are going to work out for Emma. Maybe not tomorrow, but I hope and believe that by the end of April, she'll be in her forever home.

Just my guess, of course!

[speleogirl37]

Originally Posted by Borinal

We were willing to, but she was not willing to give it back to us. We asked her to send us the funds and we would return Emma, she refused. So we asked her to place the funds in escrow under the condition of cash on delivery which she also refused. She wanted us to send the dog back and take her word that she would actually refund us our money. So the best that one can assume from her reaction is that she never intended to give us our money back. She also purchased 2 new dogs as soon as receiving our funds and cried poverty in her e-mails we suspected that she did not have the money to give back to us, and still do suspect that.

On another note if I were to purchase a Laptop from an online retailer and they shipped me a Desktop why should it be my responsibility to pick up, shipping, return shipping, and processing? I do believe that I stated she also wanted us to eat the vet bills which the only thing relating to travel of the $120 was a $15 travel certificate. A good amount of the vet cost was Interceptor for HER dogs. That's the same as them also telling me they could not refund me the cost of the software for the computer when I did not receive it or order it at all either.

So forgive me for not being elated with receiving back half of what I spent for something that I did not agree to in the first place. You all keep asking "Well, is Emma not your dog? How was she dumped on you." Well, no she is NOT our dog. Jasmanea NEVER shipped the dog that we adopted. She shipped us a problem that she wanted to get rid of and represented it as something entirely different. Why else would we pay $1150 to adopt a dog that the general consensus of adopt value is $300-$400. We would NOT, we were scammed.

You are all trying to make us look like the bad guys. Emma is not being abused, neglected, nor is her life in danger. The dogs are being gated away from each other to prevent further incidents but not to be unfair to either of the dogs. But this is NOT a situation that we want to live with long term, nor would it be one that any of you would.

The bottom line is that the dog has been here a week and a half. The answer is No, we have absolutely no attachment to Emma. Do we want what is best for her, yes. But that does not make me a bad person for HONESTLY attempting to offset her cost and to pursue legal recourse. Are we willing to give her away or hand her over to a total stranger? No. Who would be? Everyone was outraged that we got ripped off and now they all think we should just take it up the a$$ and hand her over to someone else. Everyone says it but I've yet to have an offer to adopt her for the $1150, pay to have her spayed, and turn her over to a rescue organization. Any member here that is seriously willing & compelled to not be a self-righteous hypocrite; please feel free to send me a PM.

Face it, if it were your money you would feel the exact same way. Which is why nothing has been done other than self-righteous bantering on this forum. Handing the dog over to a complete stranger and eating the cost of her adoption is just not realistic as much as you all want it to be.

Even If I had no children/dogs I would not pay that much for a one year old dog that was aggressive. I don't think many people would.

[Lexismom09]

Emma is being held hostage for money. IMO. You wanted advice, you got it. You compare her to a computer. Sorry I have lost all respect for you.

[Borinal]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

The question remains, can you provide proof positive that the dog you received is not the dog pictured?

SURE.

Statements from Breeder do NOT match the timestamps on the picture.

Dog in pictures is CLEARLY not the dog received, and if it is of the dog at a MUCH EARLY date, it is STILL mis-represented.

The dogs weight, the conversations regarding the disposition of the dog.

PROVEN.

In FL also the burden of proof lies on the breeder, not the adoptive home.

The dog that we we're provided pictures of is not even the same color, is not even close to the same weight. She is not what we we're adopting.

Also, ironically enough on the further inspection of the vet records the dogs listed name is "Pixie" AND the dog DOES NOT answer to Emma.

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by Borinal

We were not even shipped the dog that we adopted. Nothing else here is at question or matters. .

Can you provide positive 100% proof that this statement is true?