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04-04-2010, 10:05 PM | #91 |
Thor's Human Donating Member | I haven't had a chance to read all the links posted yet, but I'm looking forward to getting them. I think SF is pretty close to being no-kill, but I'd love to help us get all the way there. And then there's the rest of California, which is still in the dark ages. And central California has a huge pit problem, sadly. Lots of f*ckers want one for their street cred.
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04-05-2010, 11:14 AM | #92 |
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| Here's an interesting site about the no-kill philosophy. It seems to be California focused, but has some interesting info on the general issue, from what I've seen so far. No Kill NOW! From what I've read so far, I don't agree with everything there but, as Cindy has said, you take a little from here and there, so take it for what it's worth. Personally, I tend to shy away from extreme positions but do try to keep an open mind. Here's another...http://www.animalliberationfront.com...alResponse.htm What I'm doing is a search 'kill rates in animal shelters' and a lot of stuff is popping up.
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04-05-2010, 04:12 PM | #93 |
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| Right on, take some from here and some from there and try to fully understand people's motives on why they do what they do. Sometimes it is $$$ at the end of the day, sometimes control, and other reasons I can't begin to fathom and sometimes it is to save animals. I do tend to stay away from websites that are so violent like these...there is more to the story and I don't know what it is. I am guessing some of these things happened but to what extent I don't know. I sure wish we could really get to the truth but sadly I don't think that will ever happen. I do know in Tucson at the city owned shelter it was the law when the animals had to be euthanizd..not how crowded the shelter was..Just one more reason I am always saying we have to change the laws. I believe most people are very nieve about all of this and cannot understand what is going on. It hurts them so deeply they just turn away but never think to question the system only how many animals must die. I would really like to find out about the one shelter where the officer was beating the dog...I wonder if anything happened to him. That is the problem with a website like this...they do not tell the story full circle and if in truth this happened why didn't anyone do anything. They had pictures and a witness...I struggle that nothing happened....it just doesn't sit right to me.
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04-05-2010, 04:31 PM | #94 |
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| LOL, you must've been taking 'this' while I was taking 'that' from those sites. Honestly, I only browsed them quickly and I did like the No Kill Now site better. Did you see the '10 reasons to go no-kill' there? With ALF, I don't know much of them other than they're considered radical. I did like some of what I read when I clicked 'your no-kill shelter'. I'm really just digging around, looking for info and seeing just how big and how diverse the no-kill movement is. I'm getting the idea that the whole concept is starting to take hold. The #'s say we're a long way off, but there's always hope.
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04-05-2010, 04:44 PM | #95 |
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| HaHa..now that is funny..I guess when I go to a website and they immediately start screaming about "you know who" then I have to start questioning their motives. I don't see this on their websites and then I wonder why the anger. BF does not do this either. I also think those types of websites turn the masses off and in order to make change we need the masses on our side. It also could be I looked through all of this years ago and have come to my conclusions about what I believe in. It really is a journey. I do believe you also have to look into animals that live in no kill shelters for a long time. It is pretty shocking what happens to their mental health, which I feel is just as important as our mental health. Another reason I like BF. I am also guessing we would have been a lot further along with the No-kill idea if the economy hadn't take a turn. Many of these grass roots organizations have faded away due to $$$. Make sure when you look at sites to see if they have copyright updates at the bottom - should say 2010.
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04-05-2010, 05:30 PM | #96 |
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| I agree about real solutions needing to be grass roots movements. Radial groups will never get anything done except bring attention to a subject. Beyond that, they are too polarizing to be part of the solution, even if they're right. Posting the ALF site was probably a bad move on my part, but I'm just trying to find out all I can. I found something of interest there, but I probably could have found the same info from a different source. I've never given any thought to long-term residents of no-kill shelters. It's never come to mind as our shelter puts down thousands annually. I think I would swap that problem for the current one, but it is something major to consider with a no-kill policy. The Best Friends model is a great one, but I wonder how many urban shelters could duplicate that? Maybe more rural sites could be set up (costs would be cheaper) and maintain a smaller 'front door' in town?
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04-05-2010, 05:45 PM | #97 |
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| It is just the journey you are on...just when you think one thing, something else comes along that makes you go in another direction... I said this was a very complex issue (like kennel madness) and it is not as simple as we just implement all no-kill shelters..Once you figure out in order to do right by the animals all new shelters have to be built and it takes a huge number of people to run them correctly. While I think many organizations raise $$$, and a lot, I still haven't a clue if it would be enough. People get confused with advocates and what their roles are and why $$$ is needed by these organizations. I really would like to see BF's annual report (I have never looked for it before) to see how much $$$ they take in and spend. I know they have a strong volunteer organization but in order to understand we need more numbers.
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04-05-2010, 07:09 PM | #98 |
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04-05-2010, 07:52 PM | #99 |
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| Here you can download for free their magazines: Best Friends Animal Society - Best Friends Magazine Archives
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04-05-2010, 08:27 PM | #100 |
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| Look at their annual report for 2003 and compare to 2008...these people REALLY know how to raise $$$. Best Friends 2003 Annual Report Best Friends Animal Society - Annual Report for 2003
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04-06-2010, 08:26 AM | #101 |
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| O.K. Cindy, now I have information overload . Really, thanks for the links and I will get to them. That Best Friends site is a monster, isn't it? It is important to educate ourselves, however, or else how can we prod our local people into change? I think too many people just figure someone else is doing it, so what can I do? We can't just wish for change...we have to all do something, even if it's just a little something. Kinda reminds me of the old saying....wish in one hand and sh-- in the other...see which one fills up first!
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04-06-2010, 08:44 AM | #102 |
Thor's Human Donating Member | I guess my feeling is that the shelter should have good enough facilities, and walk the dogs frequently enough, that a year in a shelter should not traumatize them. The rescue I volunteer at does occasionally have long term residents - usually large dogs. Sometimes if they aren't adopted after a few months, they are moved to rescues that have better adoption rates with those types of animals.
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04-06-2010, 02:56 PM | #103 | |
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I just think the topic is so awful for most people they will turn away. It is not so much they don't care but can't deal with it. This is hard for me at times, because I believe that is when evil takes over. As much as I hate to look and read about some things I have to force myself or I will never learn. Many nights I have not slept because of some of the hideous pictures I have seen or from being in the shelter and seeing the passive piles of dead animals...you just never forget this.
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04-06-2010, 03:25 PM | #105 | |
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I just hope that all shelters make sure they tap into the goodwill that's out there and make sure they leverage any and all free resources (rescues that are willing to take dogs, volunteers, vets who will do low cost s/n, etc).
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