The pickiness...

[Marss]

Please don't worry or stress if that is the case.. We have still vaccinated our pup but only one at a time with vet approval. The only vaccination that really put us on the fence right now is lepto. As for Studying pet nutrition for homemade, this is also not something I am just jumping into without assistance from his vet..

[matese]

This year my guy needs Rabies, Distemper and Lyme vaccines.
I space them out two weeks apart.
1-gives their system time to absorb the vaccine.
2-if there is a reaction you will know what vaccine caused it.
I never have multiple vaccines given at one time for these reasons.
Yes, it cost more because of extra office visits, but it's well worth the cost IMO.
Pennsylvania has the highest cases of Lyme disease, a Lyme vaccine is almost a core vaccine in my state.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by LordRanger

I'm speaking in generalities, since I have done multiple brands, from multiple vets in multiple states. And then you have things like Triheart. The boxes frequently come in small/medium/large dogs, and the small dogs it's usually "Small Dogs (<15 lbs)". Well, my Yorkie was less than half that. So a dose for a dog twice as large is going to be large for him. I'd like to cut the pill in half, but I was told not to because the drugs are a cocktail. The dog that I have left--not a Yorkie--weighs about 15 lbs, so the side effect is not so much. If you look up Ivermectin, lethargy is clearly a common side effect. I just lived with it.

They like the cocktails up in Canada and New York. The danger of Lyme exceeds the danger of Trifexis. My yorkie got Lyme, and I will never know whether it affected him permanently.

I still say what you are saying is not a normal reaction. I have had 6 yorkies none of them ever had this issue and I grew up with 4 other dogs and they never had this reaction. The reason you can not cut the chew is because the medications are not distributed evenly through the chew. There are many preventives that help against ticks with lyme as well as a lyme vaccine. I personally am not a fan of Trifexis there have been lots and lots of reactions to it in small breeds especially but there are much safer options.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Marss

Please don't worry or stress if that is the case.. We have still vaccinated our pup but only one at a time with vet approval. The only vaccination that really put us on the fence right now is lepto. As for Studying pet nutrition for homemade, this is also not something I am just jumping into without assistance from his vet..

Unless you live in a high lepto area and your dog could become exposed there is no need for Lepto although if you have fears of reaction to a vaccine you can always give Benadryl before. Joey had reactions as a puppy so he takes Benadryl before his shots and he gets an anti inflammatory med at least the day of and the day after. Ollie had a weird allergic reaction to something outside and got hives and everything and had to go to the ER Vet and they told me he could now be sensitive to vaccine reactions and to give Benadryl before any vaccines so we do that. I also go at least 2 weeks between each vaccine. I personally do not get Lepto but not for fear of the vaccine I just don't need. Mine get their distemper/parvo every 3 years after the one year puppy booster and the same for rabies. We are huge on ticks and lyme in my area so mine get the Lyme vaccine which is every year, and they get the nasal bordatella which is every year and we get that because we got to a lot of places especially dog places and Joey gets put up for dog commercials and stuff.

[Marss]

Yeah we don't live in a high lepto area.. so I choose not to give it and we haven't given bordatella yet. Benadryl is a good idea before shots. The vet gives Flint something to take its place. Im not sure if I will give it next time though. As for lyme, that hasnt been offered since its not big here.
Joey does commercials and stuff? Anything you can share? I'd love to see!! Ant instagram as well?

[desertangel]

Here is an article I found on vaccines and inflammatory bowel disease connection:

https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.co...sease-in-dogs/

There are others that I read years ago when we first stopped vaccinating my dog, but I can't find them right now.

I do know that I, myself, started having food intolerance after I started getting yearly flu shots. I can't eat anything with egg in it anymore.

My holistic vet wrote a vaccine waiver for our county dog shelter so that she didn't have to get rabies vaccine anymore. They didn't have any problem with it. Also, we lived near a lake which means lots of wildlife. I was always very nervous about taking her for a walk near there, but we did okay. I hated giving up the bordatella since she was always susceptible to coughing and in hindsight, it is the one that we should have kept up even though she didn't show, didn't go to the groomer, dog day care or boarding. we always lived in apartments around other dogs.

In the end, the one thing that seemed to make the biggest difference in stool quality was the elimination of flea treatment. I stopped that as a last resort and because we had moved to an apartment with an artificial grass dog run where all the dogs are supposed to do their business (gross.) I still think my precious baby (RIP) caught a dog virus from in the dog run. I couldn't find a vet that would prescribe her anything but heart medicine after the xray results and I think she could have done much better with a prescription cough suppressant. Anyway, she is in a better place now and free from pain. I love her and miss her dearly.

Best of luck with your picky eater. Please have the liver and pancreas enzymes checked regularly, maybe keep an eye on the heart periodically too, if the vet will allow that. They can't always detect anything going wrong with the heart thru the stethoscope until it's almost too late.

[desertangel]

Originally Posted by desertangel

Here is an article I found on vaccines and inflammatory bowel disease connection:

https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.co...sease-in-dogs/

There are others that I read years ago when we first stopped vaccinating my dog, but I can't find them right now.

I do know that I, myself, started having food intolerance after I started getting yearly flu shots. I can't eat anything with egg in it anymore.

My holistic vet wrote a vaccine waiver for our county dog shelter so that she didn't have to get rabies vaccine anymore. They didn't have any problem with it. Also, we lived near a lake which means lots of wildlife. I was always very nervous about taking her for a walk near there, but we did okay. I hated giving up the bordatella since she was always susceptible to coughing and in hindsight, it is the one that we should have kept up even though she didn't show, didn't go to the groomer, dog day care or boarding. we always lived in apartments around other dogs.

In the end, the one thing that seemed to make the biggest difference in stool quality was the elimination of flea treatment. I stopped that as a last resort and because we had moved to an apartment with an artificial grass dog run where all the dogs are supposed to do their business (gross.) I still think my precious baby (RIP) caught a dog virus from in the dog run. I couldn't find a vet that would prescribe her anything but heart medicine after the xray results and I think she could have done much better with a prescription cough suppressant. Anyway, she is in a better place now and free from pain. I love her and miss her dearly.

Best of luck with your picky eater. Please have the liver and pancreas enzymes checked regularly, maybe keep an eye on the heart periodically too, if the vet will allow that. They can't always detect anything going wrong with the heart thru the stethoscope until it's almost too late.

I always wondered if my dog had a very mild liver shunt problem... her liver didn't seem to work very well. had an intolerance to medications and supplements too.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by desertangel

Here is an article I found on vaccines and inflammatory bowel disease connection:

https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.co...sease-in-dogs/

There are others that I read years ago when we first stopped vaccinating my dog, but I can't find them right now.

I do know that I, myself, started having food intolerance after I started getting yearly flu shots. I can't eat anything with egg in it anymore.

My holistic vet wrote a vaccine waiver for our county dog shelter so that she didn't have to get rabies vaccine anymore. They didn't have any problem with it. Also, we lived near a lake which means lots of wildlife. I was always very nervous about taking her for a walk near there, but we did okay. I hated giving up the bordatella since she was always susceptible to coughing and in hindsight, it is the one that we should have kept up even though she didn't show, didn't go to the groomer, dog day care or boarding. we always lived in apartments around other dogs.

In the end, the one thing that seemed to make the biggest difference in stool quality was the elimination of flea treatment. I stopped that as a last resort and because we had moved to an apartment with an artificial grass dog run where all the dogs are supposed to do their business (gross.) I still think my precious baby (RIP) caught a dog virus from in the dog run. I couldn't find a vet that would prescribe her anything but heart medicine after the xray results and I think she could have done much better with a prescription cough suppressant. Anyway, she is in a better place now and free from pain. I love her and miss her dearly.

Best of luck with your picky eater. Please have the liver and pancreas enzymes checked regularly, maybe keep an eye on the heart periodically too, if the vet will allow that. They can't always detect anything going wrong with the heart thru the stethoscope until it's almost too late.

Unless i missed something, that link you provided is merely the opinions and guesses of the author(s). I didn't see one valid source (ie - scientific research)

I urge people to be VERY cautious about skipping vaccines for their dogs.

Listening to anecdotal evidence about vaccines can end up deadly for people and pets.

As to vetting dogs, I have blood work done annually on all of my dogs until they are seniors and then every six months. Most things that can be a problem show up in blood work. ALSO, I strongly urge pet insurance! Veterinary medicine costs are rising...one illness or accident can result in thousands of dollars in veterinary costs. I have pet insurance on my pups....I went through untold amounts of money over the years and finally "got smart" .

BTW: when a dog is seen at the vet a thorough exam should be done which includes full body exam, ears and eyes checked, knees checked and heart and lung sounds listened to....and of course, blood work at least annually. Any time a vet even suggests blood work (or other testing) during the year when you have to go in for symptoms you are concerned about, it should be done....NEVER say no because, if you do, you are putting a blindfold on your vet and could very well be sentencing your dog to severe illness and/or death.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Marss

Yeah we don't live in a high lepto area.. so I choose not to give it and we haven't given bordatella yet. Benadryl is a good idea before shots. The vet gives Flint something to take its place. Im not sure if I will give it next time though. As for lyme, that hasnt been offered since its not big here.
Joey does commercials and stuff? Anything you can share? I'd love to see!! Ant instagram as well?

He did Nexgard but they were hoping to use it over in the UK because he has a full tail and they were very excited about that. His instagram is JoeyJames2016

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by desertangel

Here is an article I found on vaccines and inflammatory bowel disease connection:

https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.co...sease-in-dogs/

There are others that I read years ago when we first stopped vaccinating my dog, but I can't find them right now.

I do know that I, myself, started having food intolerance after I started getting yearly flu shots. I can't eat anything with egg in it anymore.

My holistic vet wrote a vaccine waiver for our county dog shelter so that she didn't have to get rabies vaccine anymore. They didn't have any problem with it. Also, we lived near a lake which means lots of wildlife. I was always very nervous about taking her for a walk near there, but we did okay. I hated giving up the bordatella since she was always susceptible to coughing and in hindsight, it is the one that we should have kept up even though she didn't show, didn't go to the groomer, dog day care or boarding. we always lived in apartments around other dogs.

In the end, the one thing that seemed to make the biggest difference in stool quality was the elimination of flea treatment. I stopped that as a last resort and because we had moved to an apartment with an artificial grass dog run where all the dogs are supposed to do their business (gross.) I still think my precious baby (RIP) caught a dog virus from in the dog run. I couldn't find a vet that would prescribe her anything but heart medicine after the xray results and I think she could have done much better with a prescription cough suppressant. Anyway, she is in a better place now and free from pain. I love her and miss her dearly.

Best of luck with your picky eater. Please have the liver and pancreas enzymes checked regularly, maybe keep an eye on the heart periodically too, if the vet will allow that. They can't always detect anything going wrong with the heart thru the stethoscope until it's almost too late.

That’s not a source it’s an opinion article. It also says not to over vaccinate not to stop vaccines all together and there is a huge difference. Over vaccination would be say getting the distemper/parvo shot every year after the puppy boosters instead of every 3 years which it is good for and the same with rabies. Even if you get a wavier for rabies there can be some significant consequences if your dog bites someone of is exposed to rabies.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Unless i missed something, that link you provided is merely the opinions and guesses of the author(s). I didn't see one valid source (ie - scientific research)

I urge people to be VERY cautious about skipping vaccines for their dogs.

Listening to anecdotal evidence about vaccines can end up deadly for people and pets.

As to vetting dogs, I have blood work done annually on all of my dogs until they are seniors and then every six months. Most things that can be a problem show up in blood work. ALSO, I strongly urge pet insurance! Veterinary medicine costs are rising...one illness or accident can result in thousands of dollars in veterinary costs. I have pet insurance on my pups....I went through untold amounts of money over the years and finally "got smart" .

BTW: when a dog is seen at the vet a thorough exam should be done which includes full body exam, ears and eyes checked, knees checked and heart and lung sounds listened to....and of course, blood work at least annually. Any time a vet even suggests blood work (or other testing) during the year when you have to go in for symptoms you are concerned about, it should be done....NEVER say no because, if you do, you are putting a blindfold on your vet and could very well be sentencing your dog to severe illness and/or death.

yearly blood work is also great to give a baseline for what is normal for your dog so if they do get sick they can compare the results. Vet care is so very important as well are preventive care. After Callie and how much was spent with her health issues as soon as I got each of my pups after her I signed them up for pet insurance which has significantly paid off for my girls. Penny has allergies and Dixie had an over night hospitalization, another ER vet trip, then her hernia surgery and that stuff adds up quick.

[desertangel]

for some people under the right conditions, anecdotal info is all that is needed. it was in our case. we were desperate, she couldn't feed a good deal of the time. she had core puppy shots and some boosters was holding immunity based on titer testing. her vet called her a medical nightmare. we did what we could on a constant basis, always weighing options and never giving up. i felt so sorry for all the pain she endured in her life. i often wondered if i should have put her down a lot sooner, but she was a fighter and a tough cookie. she had a goal and she achieved it. she is pain free now, god rest her. if just one person learns anything from what i share about her life and can help their puppy even a little, then her (our) suffering will have been worth it. RIP Miss Jessie. 💔

[desertangel]

IBD and liver disorders


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296398/

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by desertangel

for some people under the right conditions, anecdotal info is all that is needed. it was in our case. we were desperate, she couldn't feed a good deal of the time. she had core puppy shots and some boosters was holding immunity based on titer testing. her vet called her a medical nightmare. we did what we could on a constant basis, always weighing options and never giving up. i felt so sorry for all the pain she endured in her life. i often wondered if i should have put her down a lot sooner, but she was a fighter and a tough cookie. she had a goal and she achieved it. she is pain free now, god rest her. if just one person learns anything from what i share about her life and can help their puppy even a little, then her (our) suffering will have been worth it. RIP Miss Jessie. 💔

Saying not to vaccinate is extremely dangerous and pushing it with out any studies or evidence makes it even more so. I’m sorry you had a sick pup but I really have doubt that vaccinations had anything to do with it and that you were very lucky that didn’t backfire. There is a possibility for the added ingredients of heartworm and flea and tick prevention to upset IBD but there are other options that can be used to still keep them protected. My hopes are that people read what me and Linda are saying to know that not vaccinating is dangerous and there is nothing to back up not doing it.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by desertangel

IBD and liver disorders


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296398/

I am not clear on what your point is here in posting this link. This is not about vaccines and dogs. It is about gastrointestinal illnesses in humans...and yes, IBD is related to the gastro intestinal tract. The liver is part of the gastro intestinal tract. But again, not sure what that has to do here with vaccines in dogs.

Just reading snippets of information on the internet is not a replacement for years of education that our vets have.

I have had more dogs than I can count on two hands with medical issues and not one time did I feel they were sick because they were vaccinated. If anything, I saved them from something even worse by vaccinating them!.

I am sorry you lost your beloved pup. I realize you think you are sharing something good, but honestly, you are sharing something that just is not based in fact and it could be detrimental to someone's dog.