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Old 01-21-2006, 06:52 PM   #1
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Default Science Diet by HIlls 4 pups?!? is it good or bad?

My vet recommended science diet that they were selling at the clinic...but i was told from a friend to go with a more natural based puppy food such as wellness??
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You can go to: http://www.naturapet.com/display.php...z&naturaid=547

There you can do some comparisons with premium food.

I don't think Science Diet is a "premium" food from what I've read.
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I would recommend agianst it. Science diet's formulas first main ingrediant is always corn. when looking for a good food for your dog you want the first ingrediant to always be a meat product. preferrably not a by-product which an include but is not limited to : heads, feet and intestines. ALWAYS look at the first three ingrediants. This will tell you what the food consists mainly of. Corn is not digestible, and some dogs are known to be highly allergic.

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Nutro Natural Choice
Natures Recipe
Nutro Ultra
Royal Canin
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I hope this helps.
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My vet told me that Science Diet and Eukanuba are the 2 best brands of dog food I personally use Eulanuba and Pebbles loves it, she does not like the Eukanuba treats though, I have no idea why, maybe because they are hard, but the Science Diet ones, they are like a burgundy color, flat, and round, and she loves them!
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My vet told me that Science Diet and Eukanuba are the 2 best brands of dog food I personally use Eulanuba and Pebbles loves it, she does not like the Eukanuba treats though, I have no idea why, maybe because they are hard, but the Science Diet ones, they are like a burgundy color, flat, and round, and she loves them!

Some vets will say this. Mainly because of that brands financial support.

I feed my dog Royal Canin because if you look at the ingrediants which are:

Chicken meal, chicken, corn gluten meal, brewers rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), brown rice, dried egg product, beet pulp (sugar removed), natural chicken flavor, brewer's yeast, salmon oil, potassium chloride, sodium silico aluminate, rice hulls, fructo-oligosaccharides, salt, choline chloride, salmon meal, dried apples, dried blueberries, taurine, vitamin E supplement, brewers yeast extract (Saccharomyces cerevisiae fermentation solubles), ascorbic acid, flax seed, marigold extract, monosodium phosphate, folic acid supplement, zinc oxide, iron sulfate, manganese proteinate, biotin, sage, iron proteinate, copper proteinate, calcium pantothenate, dried ginger, garlic, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, vitamin A supplement, rosemary extract, pyroxidine hydrochloride, sodium selenite, niacin supplement, riboflavin supplement, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin B12 supplement, calcium iodate, vitamin D3 supplement

They are comparatively better then science diet which for the original puppy formula the ingrediants are:

Ground Whole Grain Corn, Chicken By-Product Meal, Soybean Meal, Animal Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Dried Beet Pulp, Chicken Liver Flavor, Dicalcium Phosphate, Brewers Rice, Fish Oil, Flaxseed, Soybean Oil, Iodized Salt, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, vitamins (L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Potassium Chloride, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract.

and Eukanuba ingrediants for puppies are:
Chicken, Chicken By-Product Meal, Corn Meal, Fish Meal (source of fish oil), Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E, and Citric Acid), Brewers Rice, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Natural Chicken Flavor, Dried Egg Product, Brewers Dried Yeast, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Fructooligosaccharides, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Choline Chloride, Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate), DL-Methionine, Marigold Extract (source of Lutein), Rosemary Extract

If you ask me Royal canin comes in first, then Eukanuba followed by science diet.
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Some vets will say this. Mainly because of that brands financial support.

I feed my dog Royal Canin because if you look at the ingrediants which are:

Chicken meal, chicken, corn gluten meal, brewers rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), brown rice, dried egg product, beet pulp (sugar removed), natural chicken flavor, brewer's yeast, salmon oil, potassium chloride, sodium silico aluminate, rice hulls, fructo-oligosaccharides, salt, choline chloride, salmon meal, dried apples, dried blueberries, taurine, vitamin E supplement, brewers yeast extract (Saccharomyces cerevisiae fermentation solubles), ascorbic acid, flax seed, marigold extract, monosodium phosphate, folic acid supplement, zinc oxide, iron sulfate, manganese proteinate, biotin, sage, iron proteinate, copper proteinate, calcium pantothenate, dried ginger, garlic, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, vitamin A supplement, rosemary extract, pyroxidine hydrochloride, sodium selenite, niacin supplement, riboflavin supplement, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin B12 supplement, calcium iodate, vitamin D3 supplement

They are comparatively better then science diet which for the original puppy formula the ingrediants are:

Ground Whole Grain Corn, Chicken By-Product Meal, Soybean Meal, Animal Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Dried Beet Pulp, Chicken Liver Flavor, Dicalcium Phosphate, Brewers Rice, Fish Oil, Flaxseed, Soybean Oil, Iodized Salt, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, vitamins (L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Potassium Chloride, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract.

and Eukanuba ingrediants for puppies are:
Chicken, Chicken By-Product Meal, Corn Meal, Fish Meal (source of fish oil), Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E, and Citric Acid), Brewers Rice, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Natural Chicken Flavor, Dried Egg Product, Brewers Dried Yeast, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Fructooligosaccharides, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Choline Chloride, Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate), DL-Methionine, Marigold Extract (source of Lutein), Rosemary Extract

If you ask me Royal canin comes in first, then Eukanuba followed by science diet.
Thank you ...when she finishes her food I might try it
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and as far as nutro Natural Choice goes here is a list of their puppy formula:

Lamb Meal, Rice Flour, Rice Bran, Rice Gluten, Ground Rice, Dried Beet Pulp, Sunflower Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Poultry Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Natural Flavor, Potassium Chloride, Dried Kelp (source of Iodine), Dried Egg Product, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Ferrous Sulfate, Taurine, Choline Chloride, Biotin, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Manganous Oxide, Garlic Flavor, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Calcium Iodate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Sodium Selenite, Folic Acid

Natures Recipe ingrediants for puppies:

Lamb meal, ground rice, pearled barley, oatmeal, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), dried egg, lamb digest, tomato pomace, flax seed, potassium chloride, salt, taurine, vitamins (vitamin E supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), inositol, niacin supplement, vitamin A supplement, d-calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, beta-carotene, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, menadione sodium bisulfite complex, vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement), minerals (zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, iron proteinate, copper sulfate, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), choline chloride, yucca schidigera, rosemary extract

Just for comparative reasons I listed the ingrediants of all the foods I had listed prior.
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You have to consider the source when you get this type of thing told to you. First, the vet that sells Science Diet tells you that Science Diet is a good food. SURPRISE! Did you think he was going to tell you it isn't? That'd kind of be like McDonald's running a commercial that says Wendy's sold the better burger wouldn't it? Second, you have to spell out exactly what you mean to whoever you're asking it to. Meaning, if you want to know if Science Diet is a good food as compared to garbage, say that. If you want to know if it's the best feed that you can feed your dog for its overall longterm health, then that's what you need to say. There is a VERY big difference in the two statements. Most vets are concerned with the pet as just that...a pet. They don't worry about your dog as a breeder, a very spoiled dog, a wonderfully treated member of your family or anything else other than a pet. You could feed your dog caviar every evening, and it wouldn't make a darn to the vet. If your vet doesn't understand where you stand on the expense of taking care of your pet over the long haul, he can not make judgements of which feed you should feed or which feed would be the best. If you don't care what the cost of feeding your pet the best feed on the market is, then tell the vet this. That way, he'll have a better idea of where you stand before asking questions such as this. Does that make any sense at all?

Oh...and this was not directed towards anyone in particular...as I reread what I typed, it kind of sounded like I was talking to someone in particular...not so.
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wow, I am feeding gizmo science diet right now, I always assumed it was one of the best, but now I know better, looks like I' switching to royal canin!! Thanks for the tips!
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I would recommend agianst it. Science diet's formulas first main ingrediant is always corn. when looking for a good food for your dog you want the first ingrediant to always be a meat product. preferrably not a by-product which an include but is not limited to : heads, feet and intestines. ALWAYS look at the first three ingrediants. This will tell you what the food consists mainly of. Corn is not digestible, and some dogs are known to be highly allergic.

I'd recommend:

Nutro Natural Choice
Natures Recipe
Nutro Ultra
Royal Canin
Canidae


I hope this helps.
I recently purchased two bags of Science Diet (not at the vet). The Science Diet Natures best is a natural food. It has the same ingrediants that Chicken Soup for puppies has. I looked for corn. It is nowhere near the top of the list and i can't remember right now if it is even in it. I am in the yorkie room away from where the food is kept but I will check after church today. The adult small kibble does have corn as the first ingrediant. Both my dogs are eating it well for their free feed dry food.
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I look a food that has no corn, wheat or soy. Those are the main ingredients that cause allerigies although I'm sure there are many others also.
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If you really want to know what ingredients are in food go to Natura Pet Products click onto Tools and you will find the Comparison Wizard. It's a great tool and you can compare side by side different foods.
Personally I feed my kidz Wellness and sometime mix with Bil-Jac.
Before I found YT, and the Wizard, I too, feed Eukanuba, have tried sience diet and others. I am so glad I found YT. I am learning something new almost every day. Great group of people here that really love their babies and want the best for them.
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thx...4 the advice! I came across royal canine, especially the one for yorkies. But i'll definately have her try it...since her science diet is almost done.

thanx 4 ur help, i appreiciate it!
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Remember to read the ingredients. I don't know if your dog has any allergies but Royal Canin has corn in it. I made that mistake about a month ago and our older Yorkie started itching a lot!
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Hi Everyone,

What to feed our Punkin (she's almost 9 months old) was a
great concern. Everyone we asked gave us a different answer.

When we went to the vet he suggested people food.

1/3 meat (not pork or seafood )
1/3 fruits and veggies (no onions)
1/3 starch such as potatoes, rice, pasta, oatmeal etc.

We just save some of what we are having (before the seasoning is added).

We made the change and Punkin seems to be loving it.

Just wondering if anyone else is doing this?
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