Nature's Logic dry kibble

[Harrysmum]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I have mixed feelings about this, I've always thought that indigestible carbs i.e. or fiber was good for the intestines. I know what you mean though, when Ralphie was on another food, his poop at one time measured, over a foot long. This picture is really gross, but I didn't edit or change the poop in any way, this came from little Ralphie when he was on Wellness Simple Limited Ingredient.

Good Lord, Nancy....looks like Andy's before he had his operation....

[107barney]

Originally Posted by richards6402

Here is the rest of the blurb from DOGS NATURALLY.




AAFCO approved foods mean NOTHING!! just the opposite - if they aren't they are usually much better quality...Don't let that label sway you to believe "it must be a better food" if it's AAFCO approved....


AAFCO is a private corporation, not a government regulatory agency. AAFCO has no means of enforcement, nor do they perform any analytical testing of foods:

Although AAFCO has no regulatory authority, their membership contains liaisons to the veterinary world (and others) and sets up expert committees that, for example, developed the nutritional guidelines and offered testing protocols so companies could see if their food met the requirements. Each state decides whether to accept AAFCO guidelines. Each consumer decides if a food substantiated in an AAFCO feed trial is important to them, or whether meeting AAFCO on paper is enough. It appears some companies don't do either, and some people might care about that.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Harrysmum

Good Lord, Nancy....looks like Andy's before he had his operation....

Isn't that horrible, the good part, was he always goes on a pee pad, I had to show Joey it who likes to go next to the pee pads.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by 107barney

Although AAFCO has no regulatory authority, their membership contains liaisons to the veterinary world (and others) and sets up expert committees that, for example, developed the nutritional guidelines and offered testing protocols so companies could see if their food met the requirements. Each state decides whether to accept AAFCO guidelines. Each consumer decides if a food substantiated in an AAFCO feed trial is important to them, or whether meeting AAFCO on paper is enough. It appears some companies don't do either, and some people might care about that.

If you read this page, you'll see that they have completed their AAFCO feeding trials for dogs foods.

Nature’s Logic completed a successful AAFCO Feeding Trial substantiating its family of dry canine diets as 100% complete and balanced for all life stages. Nature’s Logic dry diets are the only commercial dry extruded diets available in retail stores that are formulated from 100% whole foods, with no chemically synthesized vitamins or minerals added. All nutrients in Nature’s Logic diets come from natural whole food ingredients.

With past incidences of vitaminosis, recalls of some by-product mineral supplements due to high levels of dioxin, and recent episodes of hypercalcium in pets consuming diets containing forms of chemically synthesized Vitamin D, Nature’s Logic is the only commercial dry diet alternative to avoid potential toxic affects of over exposure to these unnatural forms of supplements.

The trial showed many interesting results such as dams on Nature’s Logic during lactation gaining weight, where established historical averages showed lactating dams losing weight. The summary of the weekly body weights of puppies on Nature’s Logic during the growth stage of the trial had more weight gain each week than established historical averages. Puppies on Nature’s Logic also gained weight the 6th week during weaning while established historical averages all lost weight during the 6th week of age.

AAFCO Feeding Trial Completed - Nature's LogicNature's Logic

[107barney]

I also wanted to add that Nature's Logic uses co-packers. They do not have their own manufacturing facilities. That also might be important to some people.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

If you read this page, you'll see that they have completed their AAFCO feeding trials for dogs foods.


AAFCO Feeding Trial Completed - Nature's LogicNature's Logic

Yes, for their dry canine foods. It seems not all their labels have caught up.

[Ellie May]

but

Originally Posted by 107barney

Although AAFCO has no regulatory authority, their membership contains liaisons to the veterinary world (and others) and sets up expert committees that, for example, developed the nutritional guidelines and offered testing protocols so companies could see if their food met the requirements. Each state decides whether to accept AAFCO guidelines. Each consumer decides if a food substantiated in an AAFCO feed trial is important to them, or whether meeting AAFCO on paper is enough. It appears some companies don't do either, and some people might care about that.

This.

Each pet owner gets to decide if AAFCO approval is important or not. ...but keep in mind that they are the closest thing we have to an organization that provides uniformity and some assurance that products do not contain severe nutrient excesses and deficiencies. Bottom line for me is...as sucky as the pet food industry is I would defer to AAFCO sooner than a cattle farmer with no credentials of any kind.

NL will have to do feeding trials on most or all of their foods because the nutrient profile analysis fails AAFCO. It looks like they are doing this which is great. I definitely like the feeding trials. But...in my mind trials do not maje up for their nutrient profiles (ca: p in particular). And some of their foods are up near the phos maximum (one does not even meet the established ca: p ratio parameters). Not a good thing for Yorkies, imo.

But there is no way of knowing for sure. The farmer may have it right. Honestly, if you trust the company then it is all about feeding the food to see how it goes.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by 107barney

Yes, for their dry canine foods. It seems not all their labels have caught up.

Right, that's what I'm feeding. They are in the process of testing their other foods. My initial question was about the "size" of the kibble.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

but

This.

Each pet owner gets to decide if AAFCO approval is important or not. ...but keep in mind that they are the closest thing we have to an organization that provides uniformity and some assurance that products do not contain severe nutrient excesses and deficiencies. Bottom line for me is...as sucky as the pet food industry is I would defer to AAFCO sooner than a cattle farmer with no credentials of any kind.

NL will have to do feeding trials on most or all of their foods because the nutrient profile analysis fails AAFCO. It looks like they are doing this which is great. I definitely like the feeding trials. But...in my mind trials do not maje up for their nutrient profiles (ca: p in particular). And some of their foods are up near the phos maximum (one does not even meet the established ca: p ratio parameters). Not a good thing for Yorkies, imo.

But there is no way of knowing for sure. The farmer may have it right. Honestly, if you trust the company then it is all about feeding the food to see how it goes.

exactly!

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Right, that's what I'm feeding. They are in the process of testing their other foods. My initial question was about the "size" of the kibble.

Oh yes, I see now that you asked about the size of the kibble. But, when I noticed you were switching Joey over from a food that he has done so well on for years and he's picture perfect health, I couldn't help but take a look. I hope he does well on the new food.

[Wylie's Mom]

I think I'm now trusting AAFCO about on the same level as I trust the FDA, the USDA, etc. lol. That's where I'm at with them...right up there with Big Ag...and on and on.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by 107barney

I also wanted to add that Nature's Logic uses co-packers. They do not have their own manufacturing facilities. That also might be important to some people.

Yes, that does concern me. That's one of the reasons I use RC, I do think a company can have more control, but from my understanding so far, it sounds like they have been very careful in choosing their facilities, the facility for their raw food is also used for human meat. The truth of the matter, is I no longer trust Royal Canin. They should have at the very least informed me of the changes. Do you honestly believe the new food is as good as the old?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by 107barney

Oh yes, I see now that you asked about the size of the kibble. But, when I noticed you were switching Joey over from a food that he has done so well on for years and he's picture perfect health, I couldn't help but take a look. I hope he does well on the new food.

I didn't want to switch. They switched ingredient's. The only thing the same about the new and the old, is the bag, I still love the bag.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

but

This.

Each pet owner gets to decide if AAFCO approval is important or not. ...but keep in mind that they are the closest thing we have to an organization that provides uniformity and some assurance that products do not contain severe nutrient excesses and deficiencies. Bottom line for me is...as sucky as the pet food industry is I would defer to AAFCO sooner than a cattle farmer with no credentials of any kind.

NL will have to do feeding trials on most or all of their foods because the nutrient profile analysis fails AAFCO. It looks like they are doing this which is great. I definitely like the feeding trials. But...in my mind trials do not maje up for their nutrient profiles (ca: p in particular). And some of their foods are up near the phos maximum (one does not even meet the established ca: p ratio parameters). Not a good thing for Yorkies, imo.

But there is no way of knowing for sure. The farmer may have it right. Honestly, if you trust the company then it is all about feeding the food to see how it goes.

Yes, trusting a company is important. As I said before, I no longer trust Royal Canin.

[Wylie's Mom]

Here's an interesting interview w/ NL - he talks about the manufacturing process and how they handle the quality control etcetera: Answers from Nature’s Logic Pet Food | Truth about Pet Food