My Royal Canin Rep's Response To Me...

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I havr always used the same formula....Adult Mini....no changes in the formula.

Well the adult mini still uses chicken meal as the first ingredient. This thread I thought was in response to this thread: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...requested.html. He wanted opinions on Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier Adult Dry Dog Food and that is the food that has changed from chicken meal to chicken by-products, and instead of being number one ingredient it's number three. Adult mini is much better than the new Yorkshire Terrier food, but I hope you consider changing if they start using the by-products in this.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I have learned the hard way, you get what you pay for....cheap dogs, cheap food, cheap cars, cheap carpet, cheap landscapers, cheap plumbers, etc....all have ended up costing me much, much more in the end!

Agreed.

But just because something is more expensive doesn't always mean it's better either.

Badly bred Teacup Yorkies can cost anywhere from $5000-$10,000. Are they better?

Royal Canin's new Yorkie formula is equivalent ingredient and guaranteed analysis'-wise to a few Purina formulas. Why pay double the price for essentially the same thing?

[Britster]

Honestly, at that point, you might as well spend half the money and just feed Dog Chow or something. The new YT RC formula is fairly comparable.

New RC YT ingredients:

Brewers rice, brown rice, chicken by-product meal, chicken fat, wheat gluten, corn gluten meal, corn, natural flavors, powdered cellulose, dried plain beet pulp, fish oil, grain distillers dried yeast, vegetable oil, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, sodium silico aluminate, fructooligosaccharides, sodium tripolyphosphate, salt, taurine, hydrolyzed yeast, vitamins [DL-alpha tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), inositol, niacin supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), D-calcium pantothenate, biotin, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), riboflavin supplement, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), vitamin A acetate, folic acid, vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin D3 supplement], DL-methionine, choline chloride, magnesium oxide, L-lysine, glucosamine hydrochloride, marigold extract (Tagetes erecta L.), trace minerals [zinc proteinate, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite, copper proteinate], tea, L-carnitine, chondroitin sulfate, rosemary extract, preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid

Crude Protein (% min.) 26.0 Crude Fat (% min.) 16.0 Crude Fiber (% max.) 5.0

Purina® Dog Chow® Brand Dog Food Complete & Balanced


Ingredients:

Whole grain corn, meat and bone meal, corn gluten meal, soybean meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), chicken, whole grain wheat, egg and chicken flavor, animal digest, brewers rice, salt, potassium chloride, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, choline chloride, Red 40, zinc sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, calcium carbonate, Yellow 5, Blue 2, copper sulfate, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, Vitamin B-12 supplement, thiamine mononitrate, Vitamin D-3 supplement, riboflavin supplement, calcium iodate, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite. H-4120


Crude Protein (Min) 25%

Crude Fat (Min) 10%

Crude Fiber (Max) 4.5%

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I’m surprised at the number of people who don’t believe in reading ingredients, you don’t have to be a nutritionist to understand nutrition, just like you don’t have to be a vet to make good informed decisions regarding medical care. We are our dog’s only advocate, to put blind trust in anybody or any company is a huge mistake. We have to question our doctors and vets, and we also have to question the companies that make the foods for our dogs. They truly are in the business to make money, not to help dogs. To say, you’d feed a certain brand, no matter what just because you believe in the company is blind loyalty, and loyalty should never be blind, deaf, or dumb.

And, I am surprised by the number of people who have blindly followed the marketing ploys of the "holistic" companies who try to convince them they are better because of ingredients. I am not going to call them anything......

Speaking for myself, I am not blind, deaf or dumb. Suffice it to say that my comment was to make a point that company should always come first .. hard for me to understand how people go with companies with absolutely no track records. Companies that do nothing to truly research the results of their foods. AND who lie about what they are doing...or hide it with pretty words and advertising. Not even going any further on this thread.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

And, I am surprised by the number of people who have blindly followed the marketing ploys of the "holistic" companies who try to convince them they are better because of ingredients. I am not going to call them anything......

Speaking for myself, I am not blind, deaf or dumb. Not even going any further on this thread.

I agree that the word holistic has very little meaning and is overused, and is used more as a marketing ploy that can mislead consumers. Rather than learn about nutrition, consumers looks for words like organic and holistic, and believe me, this is a huge pet peeve of mine. However, I don't think anyone was discussing holistic foods. When I was speaking of blind loyalty, it was to address Yorkiemom's reply, "If RC changes their ingredients to "organic road kill" or "fresh mown alfalfa" or "calcium enriched barnicles", or even "koi pond green alge", as long as my dogs love it, eat it, and THRIVE on it, and I do not have to eat it, it will work for me!". If that isn't blind loyalty, I don't know what is.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I agree that the word holistic has very little meaning and is overused, and is used more as a marketing ploy that can mislead consumers. Rather than learn about nutrition, consumers looks for words like organic and holistic, and believe me, this is a huge pet peeve of mine. However, I don't think anyone was discussing holistic foods. When I was speaking of blind loyalty, it was to address Yorkiemom's reply, "If RC changes their ingredients to "organic road kill" or "fresh mown alfalfa" or "calcium enriched barnicles", or even "koi pond green alge", as long as my dogs love it, eat it, and THRIVE on it, and I do not have to eat it, it will work for me!". If that isn't blind loyalty, I don't know what is.

"Blind loyalty" to what works and produces optimum results as evidenced by the results SEEN in my dogs, and the babies they produce. I just do not believe in wasting my time or efforts fabricating/imagining a problem where absolutely NONE exists. "If it aint broke, dont fix it....". I had a lawyer tell me once, "I can sit down with ANY chart, from ANY patient, in ANY hospital, and I can make a case for malpractice and collect on it....even where there is none!" I asked him why in the world he would even want to go there, if the patient had a wonderful outcome, was happy and healthy, with no problems or issues.....his response was, "Because I can do it! It is so gratifying for me to show a person how badly they were treated, how miserable they feel, even when they wern't or don't....just makes my day!"

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

"Blind loyalty" to what works and produces optimum results as evidenced by the results SEEN in my dogs, and the babies they produce. I just do not believe in wasting my time or efforts fabricating/imagining a problem where absolutely NONE exists. "If it aint broke, dont fix it....". I had a lawyer tell me once, "I can sit down with ANY chart, from ANY patient, in ANY hospital, and I can make a case for malpractice and collect on it....even where there is none!" I asked him why in the world he would even want to go there, if the patient had a wonderful outcome, was happy and healthy, with no problems or issues.....his response was, "Because I can do it! It is so gratifying for me to show a person how badly they were treated, how miserable they feel, even when they wern't or don't....just makes my day!"

I feel like you are missing the point, I didn't want to change my dog's diet, I was happy with Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier, THEY changed the ingredients without any type of warning or notice or information on the bags, such as "new formula". This wasn't a subtle change, this was a significant change from using chicken meal as the first ingredient, to using chicken by-product and brewer's rice as first ingredient. If your particular food hasn't changed, then I understand perfectly why you don't wish to change it. I didn't want to change either. I do think when you recommend it, you should include the exact name of what you are feeding, because the mini adult is a much better food then the Yorkshire Terrier formula now is.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I feel like you are missing the point, I didn't want to change my dog's diet, I was happy with Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier, THEY changed the ingredients without any type of warning or notice or information on the bags, such as "new formula". This wasn't a subtle change, this was a significant change from using chicken meal as the first ingredient, to using chicken by-product and brewer's rice as first ingredient. If your particular food hasn't changed, then I understand perfectly why you don't wish to change it. I didn't want to change either. I do think when you recommend it, you should include the exact name of what you are feeding, because the mini adult is a much better food then the Yorkshire Terrier formula now is.

Yeah, that ^

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I feel like you are missing the point, I didn't want to change my dog's diet, I was happy with Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier, THEY changed the ingredients without any type of warning or notice or information on the bags, such as "new formula". This wasn't a subtle change, this was a significant change from using chicken meal as the first ingredient, to using chicken by-product and brewer's rice as first ingredient. If your particular food hasn't changed, then I understand perfectly why you don't wish to change it. I didn't want to change either. I do think when you recommend it, you should include the exact name of what you are feeding, because the mini adult is a much better food then the Yorkshire Terrier formula now is.

Of course, since this change is a new event, I will stress I personally use the Adult Mini kibble.....up until this point in time, this was nothing to address. I am aware of the fact that not everyone is concerned with the organizational structure of the ingredients list. I do believe RC was aware of what they were doing when they made this change and the change was researched and tested extensively, as are all their formulas, and not just "thrown out to the public", praying it worked.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Well the adult mini still uses chicken meal as the first ingredient. This thread I thought was in response to this thread: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...requested.html. He wanted opinions on Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier Adult Dry Dog Food and that is the food that has changed from chicken meal to chicken by-products, and instead of being number one ingredient it's number three. Adult mini is much better than the new Yorkshire Terrier food, but I hope you consider changing if they start using the by-products in this.

Yes, this thread is a direct result of that thread. The RC Yorkie formula is the formula that changed. IDK about the Adult mini, but it looks to be a MUCH better product than the Yorkie specific RC formula that is available today.

[RoyalCaninCA]

Hi everyone!

My name is Ashley Harris, and I am a nutritionist with Royal Canin Canada.

I noticed there were a few questions around Royal Canin formulas, our ingredients or nutrients in general and wanted to offer my support to anyone interested.

I didn't want to sidetrack the current conversation you have going on in this thread, so I opened a new thread called http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...questions.html

Take a wander over there, even just to say hi, and feel free to post any questions you might have for me.

Have a great day!
Ashley

[Yorkiemom1]

Welcome Ashley!! I can certainly use the help of a nutritionist from RC!!!! RC has always responded to any complaints or questions I have ever had, immediately and without reservation! Your appearance is certainly appreciated! I do not think there has ever been an appearance of anyone from "management" from any other brand of dogfood that has been questioned on this forum!! Absolutely bolsters and supports my position that RC is and always has been, very much in tune with their consumers and is aware of what is being discussed regarding their product!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by RoyalCaninCA

Hi everyone!

My name is Ashley Harris, and I am a nutritionist with Royal Canin Canada.

I noticed there were a few questions around Royal Canin formulas, our ingredients or nutrients in general and wanted to offer my support to anyone interested.

I didn't want to sidetrack the current conversation you have going on in this thread, so I opened a new thread called http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...questions.html

Take a wander over there, even just to say hi, and feel free to post any questions you might have for me.

Have a great day!
Ashley

Welcome to YT! I met a rep down here recently at my vet's office and she was extremely helpful to me with a decision I had to make with one of my pups who is a calcium oxylate stone former and has had three surgeries. I will definitely check out your other thread!

[Mae4Me]

I had three yorkies, all female and two were 11 years old and the other was 10 years old. They had all been fed Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier food since they were introduced to food. In August of 2014 I purchased a new bag of Royal Canin and didn't notice that the formula was different. I fed it to my girls as usual and within two day all three were vomiting and had diarrhea. I really didn't know what was wrong, not associating the new bag of food I had just bought days before. I took the sickest girl to the vet and he told me that she had kidney failure and had to stay at the hospital for a few days to receive fluids. When I came home from the vet I called Royal Canin and asked if they had changed their formula. The girl I talked to was named Sherri and she told me yes they did change the formula and that YES my little Yorkies stomachs may not be able to handle the change. She sent me the list of ingredients. I then called and talked to the vet at Royal Canin who then denied what Sherri told me, she said there shouldn't be any problems with the new formula... HA
I lost my Belle in December, she never fully recovered from her "poisoning' as I call it. I contacted the FDA. who took all my info but never asked for the bag to inspect the food. I am sickened by what happened to my poor dogs. Thank God my other two are ok now and I have switched foods and also give them chicken. I loved Royal Canin.. I bragged to everyone about this food. BUT to change the formula and not put it on their package to let you know that it has been changed it WRONG. The "lovely" person at Royal Canin told me that I should never give my dogs a new bag of food without mixing the old bag of food in with it.. what??? I HATE Royal Canin, and hopefully a class action law suit will happen to them also...

[LadyGemma]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

It's all about cost, lowering it in this case...chicken by products are cheaper than chicken muscle meat. Chicken by product also lacks the digestibility compared to chicken muscle meat...thus the inclusion of a lot of brewers rice, for added fiber to move things along...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out!

Yes, by-products are eaten by dogs & cats that eat raw food, but these are high quality fresh proteins, packed w/the essential amino acids. Easily digestible & high in protein which were preferably grass fed animals w/no antibiotics.

The ones that goes into dog & cat food are full of feces, maggots, the 4D meats which are rendered: dead, diseased, dying, disabled & euthanized animals. That is the BIG issue behind the scenes of these pet food giants.

I personally do not feed chicken, the inhumane conditions they are kept in, the link to cancer that the FDA covered up for years...yes, chicken causes cancer!

I definitely agree about chicken laced with hormones and anti-biotics. But Woukd this be true of organic, hormone free, antibiotic free local chicken?