My Royal Canin Rep's Response To Me...

[Yorkiemom1]

Are you feeding the breed specific Jo Ann? Try the Adult Mini....the chicken is still listed as the first ingredient....a dog food is only as good as heralded, if the dog will eat it! If she has gone off her food, or if she is having issues she has not had in the past, you need to consider a change. I read what Nancy had posted about Wellness ingredients, and how close they seemed to be to RC....I do not read labels......so I was taking notes.....I will consider that one if my dogs start to deteriorate or decondition or dont eat their meals with the same gusto....I also like that Healthy Choice Little Bites.....and Fromm has my attention....seems you could add some of that shredded chicken from fromm ontop of the RC if you are fixated on the chicken aspect! I had thought of that too, if mine think they are being abused because they are missing chicken as the first listed ingredient..... OMG, I do not want to get into this "Dog Food Frey", holding my breath and walking through a minefield with all the recalls..... Years ago, my momma used to boil chicken, chop up about a 1/2 cup of boiled chicken, add 1/4 cup cooked rice, 1/4 cup green beans, and 1/4 cup tiny diced carrots.....she fed her little Chihuahua that meal daily, until he died at 10 years old. Seemed to work great for Shawn.....if I had one, two, maybe even 3 dogs, I think I would go that route, rather than worrying about recalls, or hidden ingredients/mislabeled bags on dog food...it seems easier to feed my dog like I feed my family and forget the dog food!

[Opium88]

like i said, i bought Wellness because the ingredient list was so similiar to RC, but my dogs hated it. it was drier and harder and they hated it. it wasnt even up for discussion. But maybe you should show the RC rep the link to this thread, and a couple others. Then maybe it'll make them snap that they aren't really cutting costs if so many people are now turning away from their brand. Think of how much $$ they've lost just on this small handful of people alone... it adds up. Maybe if they think of that, they will go back to the way they were when everyone was happy with them...seems silly of them not to.

[joannscpo]

Yes, Judy, it was the yorkie 28, now it the new Yorkie. She is not having issues. Just walks away from her food. It will sit there all day. I will do the rice and chicken for her. Even tried mixing it in, but she will pick it out. She is no dummy .
I know what you mean about the dog food frey. I might just start fixing everything myself. Will let you know how things work out. Otherwise she is great and rules the house....��

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Opium88

like i said, i bought Wellness because the ingredient list was so similiar to RC, but my dogs hated it. it was drier and harder and they hated it. it wasnt even up for discussion. But maybe you should show the RC rep the link to this thread, and a couple others. Then maybe it'll make them snap that they aren't really cutting costs if so many people are now turning away from their brand. Think of how much $$ they've lost just on this small handful of people alone... it adds up. Maybe if they think of that, they will go back to the way they were when everyone was happy with them...seems silly of them not to.

Hate to hear that about the Wellness....but I just KNOW this is not going to be a simple, easy,uncomplicated adventure....which is why I am not even going there until it is evident that I need to! And you can rest assured I am keeping loud and persistant in their ears! How exciting would it be to think it may actually achieve a positive outcome!

[Britster]

The food has always been over-priced. Now it certainly is for what it is. You literally might as well just pick up a bag of Purina or Iams from the grocery store. Actually, a lot of the Iams and Purina formulas are WAY better imo.

Iams® ProActive Health? Adult Chunks

https://www.beyondpetfood.com/produc...-whole-barley/

^You can get a 4lb bag in the grocery store for like... $8 or something like it? Pretty sure I paid close to $18 for a 3.5lb bag of YT RC food. If they are charging equal or more for this formula, they are completely ripping people off at this point.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Britster

The food has always been over-priced. Now it certainly is for what it is. You literally might as well just pick up a bag of Purina or Iams from the grocery store. Actually, a lot of the Iams and Purina formulas are WAY better imo.

Iams® ProActive Health? Adult Chunks

https://www.beyondpetfood.com/produc...-whole-barley/

^You can get a 4lb bag in the grocery store for like... $8 or something like it? Pretty sure I paid close to $18 for a 3.5lb bag of YT RC food. If they are charging equal or more for this formula, they are completely ripping people off at this point.

I know what happened to my cousins Yorkie when he went on Purina because it was "cheap" and she could afford it.... I have priced a lot of dog food at PetCo and on Chewy.....RC did not seem to be the "crazy overpriced uncle in the attic".....there were more than several brands that were much more expensive and CLAIMED to have all the very best in "natural this" and "organic that"....of course, the recalls they have endured over the last 15 years were not advertised anyplace. Then there is always the issue of "Oh we just forgot to put that on the label", or "we got bags that were mislabeled from the factory that does our bagging", or "we accidentally put to much vitamin in our little vitamin nuggets"....I cant help but wonder how many other dog food companies are "forgetting" to mention they are adding grains or meal or by products...BB just got caught, and I wonder how many others are just holding their breath, hoping no one looks too closely at them... RC has never made false claims about what it has in it, or how their food was "inadvertantly mislabeled"....I will continue to feed what I have fed for the last 30+ years, with excellent results....I enjoy the piece of mind I get from their second to none quality control.....the quality control of the product plus the results I have gotten in my dogs over all these years, is priceless to me. I do not eat this dog food, nor do I serve it to my family. I feed it to my dogs and they do exceptionally well on it. Their nutritional needs are obviously being more than adequately met.....I have no allergies, no itching, no stool issues, no excessive gas issues, no gurgling tummies, no excessive water intake, no strange skin smells, no dull and oily coats, excellent lab results each year, no issues with livers, hearts, kidneys, kidney stone formation, no pancreatitis, colon absorption, anemia or any mineral or vitamin deficiencies which I am particularly interested in because of breeding my ladies.....as long as my dogs are doing as well as they are doing, and their health needs are obviously being more than adequately met, and they LOVE the food and scarf it down enthusiastically, I have no concern what it costs me....my dogs and their excellent health is vital to my breeding program, and I will feed RC regardless of what the label says, as long as the clinical outcomes and the results of feeding the food clearly results in a positive, evidenced based outcome. As my father used to say, "when it gets down to the nut cutting, the people that stand in line for a Rosehill baby for 2-3 years, expect to get a healthy puppy....they could care less WHAT I feed my dogs, as long as THEIR investment in a puppy has a positive healthy outcome". Food, nutrition, and of course genetics are the necessary, essential building blocks for producing healthy, happy dogs, which when bred, in turn produce healthy puppies. RC is an expense I will not resent paying and will not skimp on....it has done me and my dogs very well over the years. Breeding is such a crap shoot on a good day....when you do not have to be concerned about the nutritional health, vitality, and conditioning of your foundation dogs in your breeding program, that is a major concern alleviated! If RC changes their ingredients to "organic road kill" or "fresh mown alfalfa" or "calcium enriched barnicles", or even "koi pond green alge", as long as my dogs love it, eat it, and THRIVE on it, and I do not have to eat it, it will work for me!

[Opium88]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I know what happened to my cousins Yorkie when he went on Purina because it was "cheap" and she could afford it.... I have priced a lot of dog food at PetCo and on Chewy.....RC did not seem to be the "crazy overpriced uncle in the attic".....there were more than several brands that were much more expensive and CLAIMED to have all the very best in "natural this" and "organic that"....of course, the recalls they have endured over the last 15 years were not advertised anyplace. Then there is always the issue of "Oh we just forgot to put that on the label", or "we got bags that were mislabeled from the factory that does our bagging", or "we accidentally put to much vitamin in our little vitamin nuggets"....I cant help but wonder how many other dog food companies are "forgetting" to mention they are adding grains or meal or by products...BB just got caught, and I wonder how many others are just holding their breath, hoping no one looks too closely at them... RC has never made false claims about what it has in it, or how their food was "inadvertantly mislabeled"....I will continue to feed what I have fed for the last 30+ years, with excellent results....I enjoy the piece of mind I get from their second to none quality control.....the quality control of the product plus the results I have gotten in my dogs over all these years, is priceless to me. I do not eat this dog food, nor do I serve it to my family. I feed it to my dogs and they do exceptionally well on it. Their nutritional needs are obviously being more than adequately met.....I have no allergies, no itching, no stool issues, no excessive gas issues, no gurgling tummies, no excessive water intake, no strange skin smells, no dull and oily coats, excellent lab results each year, no issues with livers, hearts, kidneys, kidney stone formation, no pancreatitis, colon absorption, anemia or any mineral or vitamin deficiencies which I am particularly interested in because of breeding my ladies.....as long as my dogs are doing as well as they are doing, and their health needs are obviously being more than adequately met, and they LOVE the food and scarf it down enthusiastically, I have no concern what it costs me....my dogs and their excellent health is vital to my breeding program, and I will feed RC regardless of what the label says, as long as the clinical outcomes and the results of feeding the food clearly results in a positive, evidenced based outcome. As my father used to say, "when it gets down to the nut cutting, the people that stand in line for a Rosehill baby for 2-3 years, expect to get a healthy puppy....they could care less WHAT I feed my dogs, as long as THEIR investment in a puppy has a positive healthy outcome". Food, nutrition, and of course genetics are the necessary, essential building blocks for producing healthy, happy dogs, which when bred, in turn produce healthy puppies. RC is an expense I will not resent paying and will not skimp on....it has done me and my dogs very well over the years. Breeding is such a crap shoot on a good day....when you do not have to be concerned about the nutritional health, vitality, and conditioning of your foundation dogs in your breeding program, that is a major concern alleviated! If RC changes their ingredients to "organic road kill" or "fresh mown alfalfa" or "calcium enriched barnicles", or even "koi pond green alge", as long as my dogs love it, eat it, and THRIVE on it, and I do not have to eat it, it will work for me!

wow. That was very well stated. and i agree! You should post that somewhere on their site... excellent rant! Just sayin...

[Britster]

I'm sorry, I can't read a post that long, my eyes hurt lol. I wish you could've spaced it out so it wasn't one big long paragraph.

But all I will say is never did I mean to imply that 'natural' or 'organic' foods are any better. I can't stand Blue Buffalo.

The ingredients in Purina and Iams (NOT what would be known as 'natural' or 'premium' foods by today's standards) have foods that are very similar to Royal Canin's NEW ingredient list and are about 50% cheaper. Purina has done just as much research IMO as RC. No reason to pay RC's incredibly high prices when you can find an equal food.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I know what happened to my cousins Yorkie when he went on Purina because it was "cheap" and she could afford it.... I have priced a lot of dog food at PetCo and on Chewy.....RC did not seem to be the "crazy overpriced uncle in the attic".....there were more than several brands that were much more expensive and CLAIMED to have all the very best in "natural this" and "organic that"....of course, the recalls they have endured over the last 15 years were not advertised anyplace. Then there is always the issue of "Oh we just forgot to put that on the label", or "we got bags that were mislabeled from the factory that does our bagging", or "we accidentally put to much vitamin in our little vitamin nuggets"....I cant help but wonder how many other dog food companies are "forgetting" to mention they are adding grains or meal or by products...BB just got caught, and I wonder how many others are just holding their breath, hoping no one looks too closely at them... RC has never made false claims about what it has in it, or how their food was "inadvertantly mislabeled"....I will continue to feed what I have fed for the last 30+ years, with excellent results....I enjoy the piece of mind I get from their second to none quality control.....the quality control of the product plus the results I have gotten in my dogs over all these years, is priceless to me. I do not eat this dog food, nor do I serve it to my family. I feed it to my dogs and they do exceptionally well on it. Their nutritional needs are obviously being more than adequately met.....I have no allergies, no itching, no stool issues, no excessive gas issues, no gurgling tummies, no excessive water intake, no strange skin smells, no dull and oily coats, excellent lab results each year, no issues with livers, hearts, kidneys, kidney stone formation, no pancreatitis, colon absorption, anemia or any mineral or vitamin deficiencies which I am particularly interested in because of breeding my ladies.....as long as my dogs are doing as well as they are doing, and their health needs are obviously being more than adequately met, and they LOVE the food and scarf it down enthusiastically, I have no concern what it costs me....my dogs and their excellent health is vital to my breeding program, and I will feed RC regardless of what the label says, as long as the clinical outcomes and the results of feeding the food clearly results in a positive, evidenced based outcome. As my father used to say, "when it gets down to the nut cutting, the people that stand in line for a Rosehill baby for 2-3 years, expect to get a healthy puppy....they could care less WHAT I feed my dogs, as long as THEIR investment in a puppy has a positive healthy outcome". Food, nutrition, and of course genetics are the necessary, essential building blocks for producing healthy, happy dogs, which when bred, in turn produce healthy puppies. RC is an expense I will not resent paying and will not skimp on....it has done me and my dogs very well over the years. Breeding is such a crap shoot on a good day....when you do not have to be concerned about the nutritional health, vitality, and conditioning of your foundation dogs in your breeding program, that is a major concern alleviated! If RC changes their ingredients to "organic road kill" or "fresh mown alfalfa" or "calcium enriched barnicles", or even "koi pond green alge", as long as my dogs love it, eat it, and THRIVE on it, and I do not have to eat it, it will work for me!

LOL that is why I stick with Hill's Science Diet (except for RX foods and home cooked foods for some). Bottom line: I trust the company.

I don't spend an inordinate amount of time reading labels. I am simply not a nutritionist....and if they ever put that stuff in it, I won't know anyway. I have healthy, beautiful pups and won't be changing foods.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Britster

I'm sorry, I can't read a post that long, my eyes hurt lol. I wish you could've spaced it out so it wasn't one big long paragraph.

But all I will say is never did I mean to imply that 'natural' or 'organic' foods are any better. I can't stand Blue Buffalo.

The ingredients in Purina and Iams (NOT what would be known as 'natural' or 'premium' foods by today's standards) have foods that are very similar to Royal Canin's NEW ingredient list and are about 50% cheaper. Purina has done just as much research IMO as RC. No reason to pay RC's incredibly high prices when you can find an equal food.

Oh well....sorry you cant read a long paragraph....fortunately, I am hopeful there are many people that can! It may be helpful for people that are more concerned with what to feed their dogs, than conducting sentence structure lessons to some old woman that is just trying to help clear the confusion.

[Nancy1999]

I’m surprised at the number of people who don’t believe in reading ingredients, you don’t have to be a nutritionist to understand nutrition, just like you don’t have to be a vet to make good informed decisions regarding medical care. We are our dog’s only advocate, to put blind trust in anybody or any company is a huge mistake. We have to question our doctors and vets, and we also have to question the companies that make the foods for our dogs. They truly are in the business to make money, not to help dogs. To say, you’d feed a certain brand, no matter what just because you believe in the company is blind loyalty, and loyalty should never be blind, deaf, or dumb.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Britster

I'm sorry, I can't read a post that long, my eyes hurt lol. I wish you could've spaced it out so it wasn't one big long paragraph.

But all I will say is never did I mean to imply that 'natural' or 'organic' foods are any better. I can't stand Blue Buffalo.

The ingredients in Purina and Iams (NOT what would be known as 'natural' or 'premium' foods by today's standards) have foods that are very similar to Royal Canin's NEW ingredient list and are about 50% cheaper. Purina has done just as much research IMO as RC. No reason to pay RC's incredibly high prices when you can find an equal food.

Incorrect facts...maybe what you think, but not factual.

In many instances in my "advanced" lifetime (although I can get through a long paragraph!!), I have learned the hard way, you get what you pay for....cheap dogs, cheap food, cheap cars, cheap carpet, cheap landscapers, cheap plumbers, etc....all have ended up costing me much, much more in the end!

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I’m surprised at the number of people who don’t believe in reading ingredients, you don’t have to be a nutritionist to understand nutrition, just like you don’t have to be a vet to make good informed decisions regarding medical care. We are our dog’s only advocate, to put blind trust in anybody or any company is a huge mistake. We have to question our doctors and vets, and we also have to question the companies that make the foods for our dogs. They truly are in the business to make money, not to help dogs. To say, you’d feed a certain brand, no matter what just because you believe in the company is blind loyalty, and loyalty should never be blind, deaf, or dumb.

Loyality is not blind, deaf, or dumb when you are LOOKING and SEEING and HEARING about excellent results!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

Loyality is not blind, deaf, or dumb when you are LOOKING and SEEING and HEARING about excellent results!

Yes, but you haven't started them on the new food yet, the results you see are from the old food, which I heartily endorsed.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I’m surprised at the number of people who don’t believe in reading ingredients, you don’t have to be a nutritionist to understand nutrition, just like you don’t have to be a vet to make good informed decisions regarding medical care. We are our dog’s only advocate, to put blind trust in anybody or any company is a huge mistake. We have to question our doctors and vets, and we also have to question the companies that make the foods for our dogs. They truly are in the business to make money, not to help dogs. To say, you’d feed a certain brand, no matter what just because you believe in the company is blind loyalty, and loyalty should never be blind, deaf, or dumb.

I havr always used the same formula....Adult Mini....no changes in the formula.