corn, and generally grain in dog food

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Teegy

Like I mentioned Loved to Dream, a lot of these research results that I've seen against raw feeding were sponsored by large food conglomerates. Also the vet association don't want to see your dogs so completely healthy that you have no need for them. You'll notice that the recalls are mainly from the large companies that make processed foods.

That made me laugh out loud seriously not all vets are out for your money and its a shame you feel that way considering how long they have to go to school....... Also if dogs weren't effected by salmonella then they would have the recalls and dogs wouldn't be getting sick by the recalled rood and treats

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

For me it is obvious that the increase in recalls is directly related to the increase in "holistic companies" that seem to pop up overnight with their marketing ploys about no corn, no soy, blah blah blah... They make money by putting fear in the general pet population....not by producing foods that are safe for our pets.

I have been feeding kibble for more years than I wish to count and have never had a sick pup nor have I had to take a food back because it was recalled. Of course, I feed a food that has the dreaded ingredients. *shrug*
My pups are in good health with the exception of the ones who have issues that have nothing to do with food.

I totally agree with this and there will continue to be recalls until we get some regulations on these company's who just want to get in on the new pet fad.

[IDPiper]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

For me it is obvious that the increase in recalls is directly related to the increase in "holistic companies" that seem to pop up overnight with their marketing ploys about no corn, no soy, blah blah blah... They make money by putting fear in the general pet population....not by producing foods that are safe for our pets.

I have been feeding kibble for more years than I wish to count and have never had a sick pup nor have I had to take a food back because it was recalled. Of course, I feed a food that has the dreaded ingredients. *shrug*
My pups are in good health with the exception of the ones who have issues that have nothing to do with food.

Really??? I don't recall Purina, Eukanuba or Iams being a holistic companies.

Wow, this thread has gotten out of hand and almost downright mean!! I'm all for a good debate but when it starts getting mean it is no longer a productive thread and should be closed!! JMO!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by IDPiper

Really??? I don't recall Purina, Eukanuba or Iams being a holistic companies.

Wow, this thread has gotten out of hand and almost downright mean!! I'm all for a good debate but when it starts getting mean it is no longer a productive thread and should be closed!! JMO!

Oh, so you can voice your opinions, but if mine are opposite yours, then I am mean? I did not say that ALL companies who have recalls are holistic...I said that I believe there is a direct correlation in the amount of companies that pop up like they do and have no real interest in safety. The companies that spend the money to have a vet nutritionist on staff and who do feeding trials IMHO are less likely to have recalls or have had less. I don't understand how you take that as mean. It's an opinion....MY opinion. That's all.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by IDPiper

Really??? I don't recall Purina, Eukanuba or Iams being a holistic companies.

Wow, this thread has gotten out of hand and almost downright mean!! I'm all for a good debate but when it starts getting mean it is no longer a productive thread and should be closed!! JMO!

Piper. See thyself.

[IDPiper]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Oh, so you can voice your opinions, but if mine are opposite yours, then I am mean? I did not say that ALL companies who have recalls are holistic...I said that I believe there is a direct correlation in the amount of companies that pop up like they do and have no real interest in safety. The companies that spend the money to have a vet nutritionist on staff and who do feeding trials IMHO are less likely to have recalls or have had less. I don't understand how you take that as mean. It's an opinion....MY opinion. That's all.

I wasn't referring to you directly. If you go back and read some of the comments they can be taken as catty. I know that you don't care for me as we seem to have very opposite views on things and I feel like you seek out comments that I make. Just like the freezing comment...you didn't quote me but why would you bring it up except for the fact that I mentioned freezing because at that point had not come into play until my comment.

I can guarantee you with 100% honestly that I am by no means being mean to anyone. It is hard to convey emotions in written text and people read it the way they perceive that person. I too am guilty of that but I will usually apologize if I have taken something wrong.

I am an almost 52 year old woman and absolutely hate little girl drama!! I love to debate based on my views and I love to hear others views also, as long as it doesn't get catty!! I respect your views as you should respect mine.

107barney...this is also directed at you, too. Too bad you all didn't know me in real life because I'm sure you would find me quite the opposite of what you think of me here.

This thread has digressed from being beneficial to just being a battle of one side vs the other side and neither side is going to change their feelings.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by IDPiper

I wasn't referring to you directly. If you go back and read some of the comments they can be taken as catty. I know that you don't care for me as we seem to have very opposite views on things and I feel like you seek out comments that I make. Just like the freezing comment...you didn't quote me but why would you bring it up except for the fact that I mentioned freezing because at that point had not come into play until my comment.

I can guarantee you with 100% honestly that I am by no means being mean to anyone. It is hard to convey emotions in written text and people read it the way they perceive that person. I too am guilty of that but I will usually apologize if I have taken something wrong.

I am an almost 52 year old woman and absolutely hate little girl drama!! I love to debate based on my views and I love to hear others views also, as long as it doesn't get catty!! I respect your views as you should respect mine.

107barney...this is also directed at you, too. Too bad you all didn't know me in real life because I'm sure you would find me quite the opposite of what you think of me here.

This thread has digressed from being beneficial to just being a battle of one side vs the other side and neither side is going to change their feelings.

You quoted me, so I assumed you were referring to me.

Just because people do not agree with your views does not mean that they don't like you or respect your views. You just have to understand that people are going to post what they believe and that has nothing whatsoever to do with personal feelings.

I don't know you so how could I dislike you?

[Wylie's Mom]

There is really no reason for food threads such as this to become confrontational or emotional. If you're one of the people who is feeling hot about this subject, then step away until you cool down.

As far as salmonella, it's pretty simple. Every pathogen / infectious agent has a threshold that once crossed, a problem will occur in whatever particular creature where it's considered an infectious agent. And that's about it.

I'm a raw feeder and I've never had an issue with any upset stomachs, infections, or otherwise due to food. Nor have I come down with salmonella myself. I've been feeding for about 6 years now - to 3 dogs.

To each their own, guys. I support raw feeding, kibble, homecooking, prescription diets, wet food et al. Whatever works for you and your dog is the right thing to feed. I don't get upset over people feeding non-raw and I'd hope no one would get upset over me choosing to feed raw.

Hopefully we can all be respectful and supportive of each other.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by IDPiper

I wasn't referring to you directly. If you go back and read some of the comments they can be taken as catty. I know that you don't care for me as we seem to have very opposite views on things and I feel like you seek out comments that I make. Just like the freezing comment...you didn't quote me but why would you bring it up except for the fact that I mentioned freezing because at that point had not come into play until my comment.

I can guarantee you with 100% honestly that I am by no means being mean to anyone. It is hard to convey emotions in written text and people read it the way they perceive that person. I too am guilty of that but I will usually apologize if I have taken something wrong.

I am an almost 52 year old woman and absolutely hate little girl drama!! I love to debate based on my views and I love to hear others views also, as long as it doesn't get catty!! I respect your views as you should respect mine.

107barney...this is also directed at you, too. Too bad you all didn't know me in real life because I'm sure you would find me quite the opposite of what you think of me here.

This thread has digressed from being beneficial to just being a battle of one side vs the other side and neither side is going to change their feelings.

She posted the link to show information so other people would see that and not think that just freezing the food for a certain amount of time makes it safe. Almost anytime something is asked on googles about yorkies this site comes up so its not always about who is posting now but others who will read this thread for information.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

She posted the link to show information so other people would see that and not think that just freezing the food for a certain amount of time makes it safe. Almost anytime something is asked on googles about yorkies this site comes up so its not always about who is posting now but others who will read this thread for information.

Oh, I missed that....I thought I clarified that. sheesh I cannot win today....

That was information for anyone who thinks freezing kills salmonella and A LOT of people really do think that.

Yes, it was a bit tongue in cheek....but not to be mean or catty...it just gets the point across in a way that is very well understood! Sometimes all of the scientific babble gets to people and they block...something clear and concise such as that...I think is effective.

[IDPiper]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

You quoted me, so I assumed you were referring to me.

Just because people do not agree with your views does not mean that they don't like you or respect your views. You just have to understand that people are going to post what they believe and that has nothing whatsoever to do with personal feelings.

I don't know you so how could I dislike you?

LOL...that's why I did a bold on what I was really quoting you for and made a new paragraph for the other comment. Once again....it's hard to read emotions in written text.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

There is really no reason for food threads such as this to become confrontational or emotional. If you're one of the people who is feeling hot about this subject, then step away until you cool down.

As far as salmonella, it's pretty simple. Every pathogen / infectious agent has a threshold that once crossed, a problem will occur in whatever particular creature where it's considered an infectious agent. And that's about it.

I'm a raw feeder and I've never had an issue with any upset stomachs, infections, or otherwise due to food. Nor have I come down with salmonella myself. I've been feeding for about 6 years now - to 3 dogs.

To each their own, guys. I support raw feeding, kibble, homecooking, prescription diets, wet food et al. Whatever works for you and your dog is the right thing to feed. I don't get upset over people feeding non-raw and I'd hope no one would get upset over me choosing to feed raw.

Hopefully we can all be respectful and supportive of each other.

I could not agree more. I don't tell anyone what to feed their pups and quite frankly I don't understand all of this stuff about mean and catty comments.

This thread started out as a discussion on grains in kibble. I for one, use such foods and like to dispell the myths about kibble as much as I can.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by IDPiper

LOL...that's why I did a bold on what I was really quoting you for and made a new paragraph for the other comment. Once again....it's hard to read emotions in written text.

I don't know...I am lost and certainly not emotional at all with regards to this thread.

I feed kibble as I have said, and will always speak about the good in the foods I use because my pups are healthy. That does not mean I think other people's pups are unhealthy because they feed something different. I don't think I have ever even asked a person what they feed unless it was a pup with a medical condition and the food was possibly needing to be changed.

[Rhetts_mama]

I've reread this thread all the way through again and I don't see anything that merits the word "mean" being thrown around. I do see lots of back and forth and links being provided to back up statements and opinions on both sides. Maybe I'm old, but that's what we used to call discussion and debate. How are people supposed to make up their minds if they aren't presented with all the sides?

YT would be a pretty boring place if we all fed/vetted/trained alike.

[Ellie May]

I know raw feeders must feel like so many people just don't understand. But there is a flip side. Those of us who generally support large, corn loving companies also don't get much love.

The bottom line is feed what you believe to be best because if something goes wrong you know you did your best for your dog.

I have no idea where this idea about vets recommending inferior food so that they see animals more is coming from. But I do find it to be an unfair assumption. I'm sure a handful have less than pure intentions when dealing with clients. However, that is not the majority.