Annual Vaccinactions - why are some still doing them?

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by dwerten

it depends on county not state as some counties in same state like texas are 3 year and some 1 year

and you nailed it - it is up to the owner to request sometimes vaccine protocol they want as jodi on here went to her vet and she told them what she wanted and the vet said thank goodness you said something as i cannot tell you what i recommend unless you ask first per the owner of practice as she had to do what was standard for that practice unless the OWNER mentioned it - how sad is that

Oops, I always say state instead of county because the whole state of MI is three years as far as I know.

Some vets are just forced to do things and they learn to go along with it or lose their job. It's sad, but it's the way it is. I'd hate to see them called bad vets for wanting to hold a job.

[Doodlebug]

Maybe I will call them tomorrow and ask them a few questions about changing the schedules and see what they say.

This is where I have been taking them.
Rock Road Animal Hospital

The web site shows: "You’ve chosen an AAHA-accredited veterinary hospital, one of only 3,000 in the U.S. and Canada. Our accreditation by the American Animal Hospital Association means that we’ve undergone a rigorous evaluation process to ensure that we comply with strict standards in patient care, pain management, surgery and many other areas. Think of it as a guarantee that your pet is receiving the highest quality care available."

But it also shows: "Worried about K9 Influenza?
Our clinic is recommending the Canine Influenza Vaccine, H3N8, to all of our at-risk clients. Like the human flu vaccine, the new canine influenza vaccine doesn’t completely prevent infection, but it drastically reduces the severity of the disease. For more information, please contact us and/or click here."

I had previsouly called to ask them about the Canine Flu shot and they said they recommend it. I asked them how many cases they have seen and they said there were TWO cases in MISSOURI, one in southern MO and one in KC. Since I am in STL I opted not to get the shot. It just didn't seem necessary to me. Did anyone else get the canine flu shot?

[Doodlebug]

Originally Posted by dwerten

what are the rabies laws in your county though? Is it 1 year or 3 as rabies laws depend on the county you live in so you need to call and find out

The law is 3 year. They have always recommended one year. I don't really know why.

[dwerten]

here is what she posted below so is the vet giving wrong info to her?

Originally Posted by Judy in Waco

I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned it, but local laws often require some vaccines more frequently than recommended. For example, in our town, rabies is required yearly because we're a "high risk" area. There is a large fine if your dog is found to be out of compliance.

I risk it, but others might not.

[ladyjane]

In looking for the law in Missouri, I found on Ehow that it is regulated by the local authorities. I cannot find the actual law.

Jean, if I were you, I would call your local Health Department and ask them.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by dwerten

here is something controversial as well to think about it

some vets/holistic vets will not give the full whamy rabies shot to a toy breed as they do not feel a 90lb dog should get the same dose as a 4lb dog. Some feel you need the full 90lb dose to get immunity some do not.

The rabies vaccine says on it i believe up to a 90lb dog

Rabies is so potent. I imagine part of a vaccine would be plenty, but that is for any size dog. But I do not agree with giving part of it (toy breed or not). It takes a certain amount to get an immune response and that does not vary by weight. So, I would not be giving just part of it. Not a chance I would take. I'll either give it or not give.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Oops, I always say state instead of county because the whole state of MI is three years as far as I know.

Some vets are just forced to do things and they learn to go along with it or lose their job. It's sad, but it's the way it is. I'd hate to see them called bad vets for wanting to hold a job.

yeah i understand but sometimes it comes down to ethics and morals and if we don't have that we have nothing

They could always start their own practice or work somewhere else. Just like we have the right to make a choice so do they

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by Doodlebug

The law is 3 year. They have always recommended one year. I don't really know why.

That is not good news at all. And on the canine flu shot, I don't tell people what they should and shouldn't give, but I will say we absolutely don't give it here. The thing has only been around for how long? Months? EEEEEK

[Doodlebug]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

In looking for the law in Missouri, I found on Ehow that it is regulated by the local authorities. I cannot find the actual law.

Jean, if I were you, I would call your local Health Department and ask them.

I know they offer the one year and the three year rabies because in the past I got my Lhasa and Schnauzer the 3 year shots all the time at the same vet. Nothing has changed except they are recommending one year now (I think to get more money???). Daisy and Teddy are both approx 15 lbs so although they aren't BIG they are certainly not 3 or 4 pounders. I still worry that they are now pumped full of rabies vac from all the shots.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Doodlebug

Maybe I will call them tomorrow and ask them a few questions about changing the schedules and see what they say.

This is where I have been taking them.
Rock Road Animal Hospital

The web site shows: "You’ve chosen an AAHA-accredited veterinary hospital, one of only 3,000 in the U.S. and Canada. Our accreditation by the American Animal Hospital Association means that we’ve undergone a rigorous evaluation process to ensure that we comply with strict standards in patient care, pain management, surgery and many other areas. Think of it as a guarantee that your pet is receiving the highest quality care available."

But it also shows: "Worried about K9 Influenza?
Our clinic is recommending the Canine Influenza Vaccine, H3N8, to all of our at-risk clients. Like the human flu vaccine, the new canine influenza vaccine doesn’t completely prevent infection, but it drastically reduces the severity of the disease. For more information, please contact us and/or click here."

I had previsouly called to ask them about the Canine Flu shot and they said they recommend it. I asked them how many cases they have seen and they said there were TWO cases in MISSOURI, one in southern MO and one in KC. Since I am in STL I opted not to get the shot. It just didn't seem necessary to me. Did anyone else get the canine flu shot?

uh no and i would never give that shot

ask them if they recommend the dental vaccine if they do RUN

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Doodlebug

I know they offer the one year and the three year rabies because in the past I got my Lhasa and Schnauzer the 3 year shots all the time at the same vet. Nothing has changed except they are recommending one year now (I think to get more money???). Daisy and Teddy are both approx 15 lbs so although they aren't BIG they are certainly not 3 or 4 pounders. I still worry that they are now pumped full of rabies vac from all the shots.

the 1 year and 3 year are the same vaccine

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by dwerten

yeah i understand but sometimes it comes down to ethics and morals and if we don't have that we have nothing

They could always start their own practice or work somewhere else. Just like we have the right to make a choice so do they

I understand where you are coming from, but it's not that easy. And there are a lot of places who have set protocols and the vets employed there have to follow them. If they can't get a job at a place that doesn't do this (and almost all seem to), then they can start their own practice. But that is next to impossible in this economy.

It's always nice to give them the benefit of the doubt and ask them if they wiill change protocol. Just maybe they can't say they will unless you bring it up. The same goes for surgical protocol. Some offices don't offer preop bloodwork and recommending it may stir things up, so vets could stay quiet. If client asks, they may be able to do it and actually agree with client.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

I understand where you are coming from, but it's not that easy. And there are a lot of places who have set protocols and the vets employed there have to follow them. If they can't get a job at a place that doesn't do this (and almost all seem to), then they can start their own practice. But that is next to impossible in this economy.

It's always nice to give them the benefit of the doubt and ask them if they wiill change protocol. Just maybe they can't say they will unless you bring it up. The same goes for surgical protocol. Some offices don't offer preop bloodwork and recommending it may stir things up, so vets could stay quiet. If client asks, they may be able to do it and actually agree with client.

yeah i agree it is sad though as some have to compromise ethics and morals for money


all the more reason to educate yourself folks because you have to be the advocate for your pets as they cannot talk only bark

[ladyjane]

I can only say what I see on the Texas Department of Health website says. Does not matter to me what another person says if the law is clearly posted.

Now unless that law has changed and the website is not valid, then I say it is the state that governs it.

[Doodlebug]

Originally Posted by dwerten

uh no and i would never give that shot

ask them if they recommend the dental vaccine if they do RUN

what is the dental vaccine? Sorry for the dumb question.