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dwerten 05-12-2010 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3126476)
I can only say what I see on the Texas Department of Health website says. Does not matter to me what another person says if the law is clearly posted.

Now unless that law has changed and the website is not valid, then I say it is the state that governs it.
ok good to know may be good for Judy to print out and take to vet as her vet is trying to change the requirement she stated below

dwerten 05-12-2010 08:07 PM
here is what she posted so hopefully she will come back and print what you posted

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Originally Posted by Judy in Waco (Post 3124630)
My vet is involved in the effort, so I'll research it some more. :thumbup:

dwerten 05-12-2010 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Doodlebug (Post 3126479)
what is the dental vaccine? Sorry for the dumb question. :D
no question is dumb - the only dumb question in my book is the one not asked :)

it is a vaccine supposedly to help dogs avoid periodontal disease but it has not been around long and it has alot of adverse side effects per a dentist i consulted with and vet techs on my dog groups

Doodlebug 05-12-2010 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3126472)
the 1 year and 3 year are the same vaccine
this really upsets me because I have been getting them this shot every year and they could be getting it every 3.

dwerten 05-12-2010 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Doodlebug (Post 3126484)
this really upsets me because I have been getting them this shot every year and they could be getting it every 3.
sadly you are not alone and why C started the poll and thread to educate everyone

You Go C

Once you know better you do better

ladyjane 05-12-2010 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Doodlebug (Post 3126466)
I know they offer the one year and the three year rabies because in the past I got my Lhasa and Schnauzer the 3 year shots all the time at the same vet. Nothing has changed except they are recommending one year now (I think to get more money???). Daisy and Teddy are both approx 15 lbs so although they aren't BIG they are certainly not 3 or 4 pounders. I still worry that they are now pumped full of rabies vac from all the shots.

Rather than assume it is for more money, I would ask them WHY they are recommending them. IF the law is every three years, simply REFUSE them!

Even though the DHPP is recommended every three years, I refuse it on my pups over 8 years of age. There is no law saying I must and I have spoken with my vet about it. She still recommends them, but respects my opinion on the subject.

Sometimes vets really believe that what they are doing is right....it is not always about money. Not saying that none are greedy...just saying that many see the dogs who get distemper and parvo and they feel strongly about protecting dogs from such awful illnesses. As EllieMay said, that does not necessarily make them bad vets. I use a lot more than their feelings about vaccines in my judging how I feel about them as vets. The very most important thing to me is their ability to DIAGNOSE....and part of being able to diagnose is their ability to LISTEN to a pet owner about what is happening to the pup. Being a good diagnostician is key in my book.

dwerten 05-12-2010 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3126490)
Rather than assume it is for more money, I would ask them WHY they are recommending them. IF the law is every three years, simply REFUSE them!

Even though the DHPP is recommended every three years, I refuse it on my pups over 8 years of age. There is no law saying I must and I have spoken with my vet about it. She still recommends them, but respects my opinion on the subject.

Sometimes vets really believe that what they are doing is right....it is not always about money. Not saying that none are greedy...just saying that many see the dogs who get distemper and parvo and they feel strongly about protecting dogs from such awful illnesses. As EllieMay said, that does not necessarily make them bad vets. I use a lot more than their feelings about vaccines in my judging how I feel about them as vets. The very most important thing to me is their ability to DIAGNOSE....and part of being able to diagnose is their ability to LISTEN to a pet owner about what is happening to the pup. Being a good diagnostician is key in my book.
100% agree

but i do also want to feel like we are on the same page and like i posted below the dentist wanted to give my dog a dental vaccine and i did not feel comfortable with that nor her recommendation on dental procedure so found another dentist that i was on the same page with

Doodlebug 05-12-2010 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3126488)
sadly you are not alone and why C started the poll and thread to educate everyone

You Go C

Once you know better you do better
You said it! Thanks for all the help and advice, I really appreciate it and my babies will definitely appreciate it. And I will NOT be getting that dental vac. Now I am going to go back to page 6 and watch the videos.

ladyjane 05-12-2010 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Doodlebug (Post 3126494)
You said it! Thanks for all the help and advice, I really appreciate it and my babies will definitely appreciate it. And I will NOT be getting that dental vac. Now I am going to go back to page 6 and watch the videos.
Oh Heavens NO don't get that dental vaccine. Yikes...I did not see that. I had not heard of it and one day saw it on here...called my vet and she said NO way does she recommend them.

Doodlebug 05-12-2010 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3126490)
Rather than assume it is for more money, I would ask them WHY they are recommending them. IF the law is every three years, simply REFUSE them!

Even though the DHPP is recommended every three years, I refuse it on my pups over 8 years of age. There is no law saying I must and I have spoken with my vet about it. She still recommends them, but respects my opinion on the subject.

Sometimes vets really believe that what they are doing is right....it is not always about money. Not saying that none are greedy...just saying that many see the dogs who get distemper and parvo and they feel strongly about protecting dogs from such awful illnesses. As EllieMay said, that does not necessarily make them bad vets. I use a lot more than their feelings about vaccines in my judging how I feel about them as vets. The very most important thing to me is their ability to DIAGNOSE....and part of being able to diagnose is their ability to LISTEN to a pet owner about what is happening to the pup. Being a good diagnostician is key in my book.
I think I will call and ask some questions before I totally give up on them. One of the vets did tell me that they have seen increasing cases of (I think it was lepto) because of a large population of wild animals leaving droppings and the dogs getting into it. I may not be remembering this 100% but I think this is what they said. Does this sound right? I know Daisy does snack on rabbit poop sometimes and I was afraid she would get sick if she didn't get the shot.

Anyway there is an awesome vet there named Dr. Stroud. She performed a miracle surgery when she saved my friend's Yorkie who was viciously attacked by a rottie. No one thought he had a chance of making it. I trust her to give me good info and I think I will ask her some questions. If I don't get good answers from her I will probably look for a new vet.

dwerten 05-12-2010 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Doodlebug (Post 3126501)
I think I will call and ask some questions before I totally give up on them. One of the vets did tell me that they have seen increasing cases of (I think it was lepto) because of a large population of wild animals leaving droppings and the dogs getting into it. I may not be remembering this 100% but I think this is what they said. Does this sound right? I know Daisy does snack on rabbit poop sometimes and I was afraid she would get sick if she didn't get the shot.

Anyway there is an awesome vet there named Dr. Stroud. She performed a miracle surgery when she saved my friend's Yorkie who was viciously attacked by a rottie. No one thought he had a chance of making it. I trust her to give me good info and I think I will ask her some questions. If I don't get good answers from her I will probably look for a new vet.
others may be able to give you good info on this as i do not do lepto but i believe lepto is from standing water

distemper can be from wild animals like racoons i believe - only know that as vet had this up at his office with a racoon pic lolll

rabbit poop they can get giardia from - did your vet give your dog the giardia vaccine ???????

Ellie May 05-12-2010 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Doodlebug (Post 3126501)
I think I will call and ask some questions before I totally give up on them. One of the vets did tell me that they have seen increasing cases of (I think it was lepto) because of a large population of wild animals leaving droppings and the dogs getting into it. I may not be remembering this 100% but I think this is what they said. Does this sound right? I know Daisy does snack on rabbit poop sometimes and I was afraid she would get sick if she didn't get the shot.

Anyway there is an awesome vet there named Dr. Stroud. She performed a miracle surgery when she saved my friend's Yorkie who was viciously attacked by a rottie. No one thought he had a chance of making it. I trust her to give me good info and I think I will ask her some questions. If I don't get good answers from her I will probably look for a new vet.
Yes, the US is having a lepto problem right now. If it is needed in your case (one of those things I won't have an opinion on), then it can be given as a single instead of part of a combo. Lepto has to be given at least once yearly for protection and it does not protect against all strains.

I believe (besides standing water) that it is transferred by rodent urine

dwerten 05-12-2010 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3126503)
Yes, the US is having a lepto problem right now. If it is needed in your case (one of those things I won't have an opinion on), then it can be given as a single instead of part of a combo. Lepto has to be given at least once yearly for protection and it does not protect against all strains.

I believe (besides standing water) that it is transferred by rodent urine
yes i think you are right on the rodent urine as that sounds like what i have heard too

yeah i agree with C on this as some areas have bad lepto issues but it does not cover all strains so i personally would not do it in my dogs but you have to discuss it with your vet and maybe a few vets in area as some say we need it here and some say we do not need it here. I choose not to do it

Is there a website showing areas at high risk for lepto like there is for heartworm?

dwerten 05-12-2010 08:35 PM
I think someone posted below you can ask your vet for a print out of lepto issues in your area so check the thread for that as i thought i saw it here

Doodlebug 05-12-2010 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3126502)
others may be able to give you good info on this as i do not do lepto but i believe lepto is from standing water

distemper can be from wild animals like racoons i believe - only know that as vet had this up at his office with a racoon pic lolll

rabbit poop they can get giardia from - did your vet give your dog the giardia vaccine ???????
no they didn't get the giardia vaccine but they get their stools checked with their shots yearly. Once one of them had some parasites (I think that is what they said) and they both got treated with meds.

Ellie May 05-12-2010 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3126507)
yes i think you are right on the rodent urine as that sounds like what i have heard too

yeah i agree with C on this as some areas have bad lepto issues but it does not cover all strains so i personally would not do it in my dogs but you have to discuss it with your vet and maybe a few vets in area as some say we need it here and some say we do not need it here. I choose not to do it

Is there a website showing areas at high risk for lepto like there is for heartworm?
Not really a map, but there are a couple states listed here in there (MI and NJ being well known).

this is actually the vaccine that Miss Ellie collapsed and went into shock over. Scary stuff. Certainly understand the breeders who say don't give it, but understand the vets that say do. So I think it's an individual decision.

dwerten 05-12-2010 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Doodlebug (Post 3126511)
no they didn't get the giardia vaccine but they get their stools checked with their shots yearly. Once one of them had some parasites (I think that is what they said) and they both got treated with meds.
whew ok that is good

yes you should get bloodwork, fecal and urine annually and i think when seniors they need semi annual exams. I am not sure of what age they are considered seniors but I think LJ knows that answer

dwerten 05-12-2010 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3126512)
Not really a map, but there are a couple states listed here in there (MI and NJ being well known).

this is actually the vaccine that Miss Ellie collapsed and went into shock over. Scary stuff. Certainly understand the breeders who say don't give it, but understand the vets that say do. So I think it's an individual decision.
whoa that is Scary C :(

Ellie May 05-12-2010 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3126514)
whoa that is Scary C :(
Yes, very.
She was unresponsive (wild eyed, wouldn't move) and her gums were grey. Terrible feeling. I think the people who do give the lepto vaccine would really be rethinking it if this happened. Not going to be the first in line to get it if I ever have another Yorkie. That's for sure!

Doodlebug 05-12-2010 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3126503)
Yes, the US is having a lepto problem right now. If it is needed in your case (one of those things I won't have an opinion on), then it can be given as a single instead of part of a combo. Lepto has to be given at least once yearly for protection and it does not protect against all strains.

I believe (besides standing water) that it is transferred by rodent urine
So if my vet strongly recommends the lepto vac I should consider it but not at the same time as the rabies shot, right? My kids are 15 lbs and I always thought being bigger they could handle the shots. I am questioning this now.

dwerten 05-12-2010 08:44 PM
here is a link from my vet group i am on as someone posted this

It is alot of questions and answers

Vaccinations & Vaccines - QA Viewer

Ellie May 05-12-2010 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Doodlebug (Post 3126518)
So if my vet strongly recommends the lepto vac I should consider it but not at the same time as the rabies shot, right? My kids are 15 lbs and I always thought being bigger they could handle the shots. I am questioning this now.
That is right.
You should gather information from breeders, vets in your area, and veterinary immunologists/specialists dealing with canine vaccines and make your decision from there.

ladyjane 05-12-2010 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3126517)
Yes, very.
She was unresponsive (wild eyed, wouldn't move) and her gums were grey. Terrible feeling. I think the people who do give the lepto vaccine would really be rethinking it if this happened. Not going to be the first in line to get it if I ever have another Yorkie. That's for sure!

That would scare the beegeebees out of me. I would never do another one and just make sure there was no exposure. I would not even be last in line!

ladyjane 05-12-2010 08:46 PM
Not sure if there is an exact age that a pup is considered a senior. I am guessing about 10 for a yorkie. But...it probably also depends upon the health of the pup.

At the age of 8 they are considered adults....and some are healthier than others. I have lost pups at the age of 12 and they were definitely showing their age when they passed. Right now I have a 15 year old foster that is healthy as a horse and actually prances when she is outside. She cracks me up! :)

dwerten 05-12-2010 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Doodlebug (Post 3126518)
So if my vet strongly recommends the lepto vac I should consider it but not at the same time as the rabies shot, right? My kids are 15 lbs and I always thought being bigger they could handle the shots. I am questioning this now.
do some more homework do not take just one opinion as this is the vaccine that has the most reactions and remember it does not cover all strains

dwerten 05-12-2010 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3126524)
Not sure if there is an exact age that a pup is considered a senior. I am guessing about 10
ok thanks as i thought 6 was it but then all of mine would be seniors and i want to think of them as puppies still lollllll and someone said 6 for big dogs not small dogs -whew

Doodlebug 05-12-2010 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3126517)
Yes, very.
She was unresponsive (wild eyed, wouldn't move) and her gums were grey. Terrible feeling. I think the people who do give the lepto vaccine would really be rethinking it if this happened. Not going to be the first in line to get it if I ever have another Yorkie. That's for sure!
OMG, this is so scary.

Ellie May 05-12-2010 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3126522)
That would scare the beegeebees out of me. I would never do another one and just make sure there was no exposure. I would not even be last in line!
lol, I'm sure it would.
Thankful for emergency medicine!
Now when Ellie does get vaccines (obv. never lepto) (just rabies now), we premed with Benadryl and wait at vet's for 1/2 hour. She just keeps checking her gums for us. Needless to say, I hate vaccine days!

dwerten 05-12-2010 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3126522)
That would scare the beegeebees out of me. I would never do another one and just make sure there was no exposure. I would not even be last in line!
i agree

very scary c - hey did you ever find out if it is tied to mvd issues as i know you were trying to find info on that?

ladyjane 05-12-2010 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3126526)
ok thanks as i thought 6 was it but then all of mine would be seniors and i want to think of them as puppies still lollllll and someone said 6 for big dogs not small dogs -whew

Yeah...I am sure it is not 6 for yorkies. The large breed pups don't have the life span of the toy breeds so 6 is probably right for say a Great Dane.


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