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dwerten 06-15-2010 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3164471)
So Dr Dodd is a homeopathic vet?
she is a dvm

here is her resume check it out very impressive and she has done extensive research in blood and vets and specialists consult with her from all over the world. YOu would really like her and blood work is much cheaper through her than a vet as it is non-profit. I drive further than you would have to get blood work done by her as well as titers

DODDS-RESUME

DvlshAngel985 06-15-2010 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3164479)
she is a dvm

here is her resume check it out very impressive and she has done extensive research in blood and vets and specialists consult with her from all over the world. YOu would really like her and blood work is much cheaper through her than a vet as it is non-profit. I drive further than you would have to get blood work done by her as well as titers

DODDS-RESUME
Sorry for the stupid second question. My eyes hurt, I've had a horrible day, and my Lakers are making things better for me right now, so I'm a bit distracted. I'll save the links, and read up when I'm not distracted.

dwerten 06-15-2010 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3164487)
Sorry for the stupid second question. My eyes hurt, I've had a horrible day, and my Lakers are making things better for me right now, so I'm a bit distracted. I'll save the links, and read up when I'm not distracted.
GO LAKERS :)

no question is ever stupid we are all here to learn :)

dwerten 06-18-2010 03:08 AM
here is something to read and what i got out of this that is critical for this thread is: Vets are NOT required to report adverse reactions to vaccines This is why we do not see the true statistics of what is happening with vaccinations. Also many reactions show up as life long illnesses that are triggered by them and not necessarily a life or death situation after the vaccination. Again it states to be given to healthy dogs only.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...og-owners.html

AllDogBoots 08-27-2010 03:36 PM
Yet another thread resurrected by me.

Both Max and Cooper went to the vet today for their vaccines - Max his 2nd set of puppy shots and Cooper his annual.

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3124013)
Crystal, thanks for the follow up to this poll.

I really want to understand why folks are still overvaccinating -- bc if we understand the reason, maybe there is way we can all help address it :) and keep our yorkies safe, using only the vaccines they need.
I am a dog lover and owner, not a vet. I trust my vet, although now I see that Cooper probably had way more shots today than is necessary. I am not well educated in vaccines or even dog health, however YT has opened my eyes (but apparently not wide enough).

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3124119)
Be the alpha :p! I think it helps to print this out - and just simply say "I decided this is the vaccination protocol I'd like to follow." -- just make a statement. Maybe bring someone, a friend, with you if that feels better?
I will print this out and bring this to my vet. My vet listens to me but I need more education on what it is that I want for my pets. I have done some research and get so much conflicting information on vaccines that it gets so confusing.

Thank goodness both of my boys have not had a reaction. I'm currently doing research so that I don't make any future mistakes.

Ringo1 08-28-2010 07:55 AM
Vaccine information IS confusing. I struggle with it myself and am still not sure what to do on all of them.

Cindyloohoo 08-29-2010 06:32 PM
Rabies
 
Okay, I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the state of Florida. My vet says the Rabies shot is needed every year because they only give the 1 year vaccination, not the 3 year one??

joy and bella 09-03-2010 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Cindyloohoo (Post 3255941)
Okay, I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the state of Florida. My vet says the Rabies shot is needed every year because they only give the 1 year vaccination, not the 3 year one??
My old vet gave the 1 year rabies, and my new vet gives the 3 year rabies. I don't know the difference and I am sure someone else will be able to help more but I just wanted to let you know that there are vets in Florida that give the 3 year. :)

joy and bella 09-03-2010 05:10 PM
Sorry if this is a stupid question but I want to make sure I am understanding this correct....after they have had their initial puppy vaccines the only vaccine that needs to be re-administered is the rabies vaccine every 3 years? Is that right?

keokis mom 09-04-2010 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ArmaniMan (Post 3124096)
:thumbup:
I agree!!!! I love my vet Dr Marty Goldstein and he follows the same protocol- luckily red flags went up when Keoki was not even a year old and I was getting postcards from the my first vet saying he needed tons of different vaccinations- I looked at my 6 pound dog and thought that couldn't be good and didn't seem right. I also have yorkie talk to thank for educating me on vaccinations and Dr. Dodds protocol. So I may have to travel a little over an hour for a vet I trust but it is worth it's weight in gold and I know my baby is getting the best possible care.:thumbup:

Sweet Apple 09-04-2010 04:38 AM
I'm so glad this post was ressurected...As fur kid parents, we should be, constantly, researching what is best for our babies, in this arena...I, probably, spend more time combing over articles, written by reputable associations and veterinarians, than any other topic to do w/our "kidz"...

tinyterriers 09-04-2010 04:59 AM
rabies vaccine
 
As far as I know the rabies vaccine is a 3 yr.vaccine, but you have to get the shot befor the 3 yrs.is up on the next one. If you get the shot and its over the one yr. date,then they say its a 1yr. vaccine.

ladyjane 09-04-2010 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Cindyloohoo (Post 3255941)
Okay, I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the state of Florida. My vet says the Rabies shot is needed every year because they only give the 1 year vaccination, not the 3 year one??

Perhaps you can find your answer here:

State Legislative Resources

ladyjane 09-04-2010 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tinyterriers (Post 3261141)
As far as I know the rabies vaccine is a 3 yr.vaccine, but you have to get the shot befor the 3 yrs.is up on the next one. If you get the shot and its over the one yr. date,then they say its a 1yr. vaccine.
Rabies vaccines are governed by state .. and/or local laws but vary from one to the other. I just posted a link from the AVMA that has information from each state.

Ellie May 09-09-2010 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by joy and bella (Post 3260849)
Sorry if this is a stupid question but I want to make sure I am understanding this correct....after they have had their initial puppy vaccines the only vaccine that needs to be re-administered is the rabies vaccine every 3 years? Is that right?
Rabies as a puppy vaccine, then one year later, then every one to three years depending on state.

DHP as puppy, then about one year later, then the schedule varies by vet. Some never do it again. Most do it every one to three years. Depends on your and their preferred protocol. Every year is way too much.

Non-core vaccines are usually given at least once a year and that is only if they are needed at all.

joy and bella 09-09-2010 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3265883)
Rabies as a puppy vaccine, then one year later, then every one to three years depending on state.

DHP as puppy, then about one year later, then the schedule varies by vet. Some never do it again. Most do it every one to three years. Depends on your and their preferred protocol. Every year is way too much.

Non-core vaccines are usually given at least once a year and that is only if they are needed at all.
Thank you!!!!

Maximo 02-26-2011 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3126428)
Vets (even good ones) push the annual protocol. I think a vet can recommend them annually and still be a good vet. However, when you bring up that you want a different schedule, a good vet will listen to you. Some are almost forced to do them yearly, esp. if they aren't the boss at the facility that you go to.
I really like our current vet and he has a reputation for being an excellent diagnostician, but the office/practice he belongs to recommends annual DHPP. :( He is a good listener and will answer questions and work with me.

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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3265883)
Rabies as a puppy vaccine, then one year later, then every one to three years depending on state.

DHP as puppy, then about one year later, then the schedule varies by vet. Some never do it again. Most do it every one to three years. Depends on your and their preferred protocol. Every year is way too much.

Non-core vaccines are usually given at least once a year and that is only if they are needed at all.
Are there any differences between a 1-year DHPP and a 3-year? My boys had the DHPP at the 1 year exams and the office expects them to have it again this year. I have not decided yet if I want to go with the 3 year or never again protocol.

ladyjane 02-26-2011 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3442991)
I really like our current vet and he has a reputation for being an excellent diagnostician, but the office/practice he belongs to recommends annual DHPP. :( He is a good listener and will answer questions and work with me.

Are there any differences between a 1-year DHPP and a 3-year? My boys had the DHPP at the 1 year exams and the office expects them to have it again this year. I have not decided yet if I want to go with the 3 year or never again protocol.
This link will help you understand. Is your vet AAHA accredited?

http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocumen...s06Revised.pdf

Maximo 02-26-2011 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3442998)
This link will help you understand. Is your vet AAHA accredited?

http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocumen...s06Revised.pdf
I looked at the AAHA website and found only 2 places within 25 miles that are accredited, and both places have the worst local reputation. I am more than willing to drive farther for a vet, but I found this interesting.

ladyjane 02-26-2011 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3443007)
I looked at the AAHA website and found only 2 places within 25 miles that are accredited, and both places have the worst local reputation. I am more than willing to drive farther for a vet, but I found this interesting.
I am curious about what the local complaints are. Honestly if they are that bad, people could report them.
Yes, it is interesting though.

At any rate, I would copy the guidelines and take them to your vet. This is nothing new in veterinary medicine. The DHPP should not be given yearly! There is no reason for it and that has been known for quite a few years now.

Maximo 02-26-2011 08:17 AM
Is this the right place to search for AAHA accredited vets? It says "hospitals."

AAHA-Accredited Hospital Search

ladyjane 02-26-2011 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3443013)
Is this the right place to search for AAHA accredited vets? It says "hospitals."

AAHA-Accredited Hospital Search
Yes, it is.


This explains accreditation :

http://www.healthypet.com/Accreditat...Standards.aspx

Maximo 02-26-2011 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3443010)
I am curious about what the local complaints are. Honestly if they are that bad, people could report them.
Yes, it is interesting though.

At any rate, I would copy the guidelines and take them to your vet. This is nothing new in veterinary medicine. The DHPP should not be given yearly! There is no reason for it and that has been known for quite a few years now.
The complaints were wide ranging and enough to scare me away, everything from the care given to the bedside manners.

My vet listens and takes time to discuss things and was happy to follow the Dodd protocol during our 1 year visits. The computer generated the note on our bills that said the boys would need DHPP a year later.

ladyjane 02-26-2011 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3443019)
The complaints were wide ranging and enough to scare me away, everything from the care given to the bedside manners.

My vet listens and takes time to discuss things and was happy to follow the Dodd protocol during our 1 year visits. The computer generated the note on our bills that said the boys would need DHPP a year later.
I don't follow her. Nor does my vet. My vet is AAHA accredited and that means a lot imho. She and her employees all go to continuing education classes. She is thorough and patient.

I am not put off by bedside manner IF the vet is good. Fortunately, though, I do have both. :) I have been to a local specialist whose bedside manner is not the best, but she is an excellent cardiologist. She is knowledgeable and listens and explains things.

I find it very hard to believe that two AAHA accredited facilities are that bad. Possible yes, but improbable. It would have to be solid proof of pups dying, etc for me to not go to one for a look/see.

But...that is me. If you like your vet that is important. I do think you need to take those guidelines for him to see.

ladyjane 02-26-2011 08:31 AM
Another thing that people often use to gauge vets is money. Sometimes single practice, older vets are cheaper than a newer, accredited facility. Be careful that people are not saying things for that reason. You really need to delve into it more. BUT perhaps not...since you seem to be happy with your vet and that is important!

Maximo 02-26-2011 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3443029)
Another thing that people often use to gauge vets is money. Sometimes single practice, older vets are cheaper than a newer, accredited facility. Be careful that people are not saying things for that reason. You really need to delve into it more. BUT perhaps not...since you seem to be happy with your vet and that is important!
Our vet belongs to a fairly large practice (4 full time vets, 1 part time because he works for Pfizer now). They are on the very high end of the price scale.

Our guy is the most requested in the practice and has a reputation for being an excellent diagnostician. ETA: I have heard from numerous people who had dogs with ailments that puzzled other vets, but when they went to our guy, they figured them out relatively quickly.

ladyjane 02-26-2011 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3443040)
Our vet belongs to a fairly large practice (4 full time vets, 1 part time because he works for Pfizer now). They are on the very high end of the price scale.

Our guy is the most requested in the practice and has a reputation for being an excellent diagnostician.
I am not questioning your vet. I was just saying that people complain sometimes for other reasons. I also was not suggesting you switch vets..not at all!

Maximo 02-26-2011 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3443023)
I don't follow her. Nor does my vet. My vet is AAHA accredited and that means a lot imho. She and her employees all go to continuing education classes. She is thorough and patient.

I am not put off by bedside manner IF the vet is good. Fortunately, though, I do have both. :) I have been to a local specialist whose bedside manner is not the best, but she is an excellent cardiologist. She is knowledgeable and listens and explains things.

I find it very hard to believe that two AAHA accredited facilities are that bad. Possible yes, but improbable. It would have to be solid proof of pups dying, etc for me to not go to one for a look/see.

But...that is me. If you like your vet that is important. I do think you need to take those guidelines for him to see.
Thank you, I will bring in the guidelines. I don't have solid proof about the other hospitals, only what I have heard from neighbors and read in local forums.

Relative to bedside manner, I don't mind slightly gruff and I don't need hand holding. Our current vet knows I'm all business and he speaks to me intelligently. However, I don't want a vet that seems too busy to be concerned or who is a robot.

Maximo 02-26-2011 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3443046)
I am not questioning your vet. I was just saying that people complain sometimes for other reasons. I also was not suggesting you switch vets..not at all!
I understand. :)

LDMomma 02-26-2011 08:50 AM
This is actually something we are working on figuring out.

My girls got all their puppy shots and then boosters at age 1. They are due for more booster in 2012 (3 years since the last set of shots).

I don't think that any of them really NEED the boosters. BUT, all day care/boarding facilities require these vaccinations and we do use those services a couple times per year.

It's possible to not take them to day care at all (we do it for their enjoyment) but I'm not sure about boarding. We don't have the kind of home that would lend itself to just hiring a private sitter and I'm nervous about them being home alone for so long.

At least I have almost two years to make this decision. They are due 12/2012.


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