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Old 01-26-2010, 05:03 PM   #1
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Default 1/2 NV Raw and 1/2 Home cooked diet.... Do I still need to Supplement?

Ok, so ive been researching all day on this and im sooo frustrated!!! Maybe someone on YT can help....

Some background info... all my dogs were eating NV Raw Medallions only for about 4 years and they did great on it. But bc of financial reasons, ive switched them to Evo. With 3 dogs (with one weighing 15 pounds), NV was getting costly.. Well after a few months on Evo, I do not like the results!!!! I would like to eliminate all kibble from their diets. So... i want to go back to NV and homecook for them.. My question is since 50% will be NV, do i still need to add supp. to their homecooked? If so, what kind of supp?

So here is my plan... tell me what u guys think...

One week NV and one week homecooked diet... Then i would rotate back and forth using different protein sources..(ie. one week chicken next week lamb...)

I look forward to hearing your responses!

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Yes, you will have to supplement.
There are different ways to do it, but the best advice I can give you is to talk to a nutritionist about it.

BTW, homecooking can be very expensive...
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If you are feeding ground bone in your raw...you don't have to supplement.
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If you are feeding ground bone in your raw...you don't have to supplement.
Actually, you definitely have to supplement! If only 50% of your diet is NV Raw and the other 50% is un-supplemented homecooked, then only 50% of your diet is balanced. Pre-made raw comes completely balanced containing the perfect calcium to phosphorous ratio and all the necessary vitamins and minerals. Prey-model raw feeders have to achieve this balance by feeding 80% muscle meat, 10% bone, 5% liver and 5% other secreting organ. Bone only provides a portion of the required nutrients. Even if it did provide all nutrients, feeding it 50% of the time would only account for half of the necessary amounts.

Also, not sure if this would work out for you but if you have some butcher shops in the area and a ton of freezer space, you could consider prey-model raw. If you shop the sales and buy in bulk the cost goes WAY down. Also, there are co-ops all over the nation that order large orders together to cut down on shipping costs. We spend less now feeding PMR than we did feeding kibble.
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Yes, you will have to supplement.
There are different ways to do it, but the best advice I can give you is to talk to a nutritionist about it.

BTW, homecooking can be very expensive...
Do you know of any good nutritionist that you can recommend? and how much does a consultation go for?

Thanks! Jenn
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Actually, you definitely have to supplement! If only 50% of your diet is NV Raw and the other 50% is un-supplemented homecooked, then only 50% of your diet is balanced. Pre-made raw comes completely balanced containing the perfect calcium to phosphorous ratio and all the necessary vitamins and minerals. Prey-model raw feeders have to achieve this balance by feeding 80% muscle meat, 10% bone, 5% liver and 5% other secreting organ. Bone only provides a portion of the required nutrients. Even if it did provide all nutrients, feeding it 50% of the time would only account for half of the necessary amounts.

Also, not sure if this would work out for you but if you have some butcher shops in the area and a ton of freezer space, you could consider prey-model raw. If you shop the sales and buy in bulk the cost goes WAY down. Also, there are co-ops all over the nation that order large orders together to cut down on shipping costs. We spend less now feeding PMR than we did feeding kibble.
I would love to do the prey-model diet but im not confident that id do it right so id be paranoid they arent getting everything they need nutritionally... plus i dont know of any butcher shops... but my goal is in the future to feed PMR.. If u have any suggestions on how to get started on PMR, that would be great! What about buying meat at Costco? Would that be more cost effective? I will def look into this... thank you!
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Thank you everyone for your responses!!!

Today i went to barnes n noble and got "The Healthy Dog Cookbook".... hopefully this will help... also going to talk to a nutrionist..

Thanks again! Jenn
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Actually, you definitely have to supplement! If only 50% of your diet is NV Raw and the other 50% is un-supplemented homecooked, then only 50% of your diet is balanced. Pre-made raw comes completely balanced containing the perfect calcium to phosphorous ratio and all the necessary vitamins and minerals. Prey-model raw feeders have to achieve this balance by feeding 80% muscle meat, 10% bone, 5% liver and 5% other secreting organ. Bone only provides a portion of the required nutrients. Even if it did provide all nutrients, feeding it 50% of the time would only account for half of the necessary amounts.

Also, not sure if this would work out for you but if you have some butcher shops in the area and a ton of freezer space, you could consider prey-model raw. If you shop the sales and buy in bulk the cost goes WAY down. Also, there are co-ops all over the nation that order large orders together to cut down on shipping costs. We spend less now feeding PMR than we did feeding kibble.
I never said to add nothing else....and the ratios that I know many many people are using is 50% meat, 25% organ meats, 25% veggies/fruit. Some give raw meaty beef bones occasionally.

Actually we may have all mis-read the OP's post...as she says "homecooked" and this diet is considered raw.
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Personally, I think you should consider supplements, especially after the fact they have already been previously on 100% raw diet. I recently spoke to a very knowledgable man at Whiskers Holistic Pet Care in NY about a 50% diet homecooked/raw for my puppy and he recommended that I definitely add a probiotic/prebiotic (using Ark Naturals Gentle Digest) to help her digest homecoooked because it's harder on her tummy. I was also recommended an omega supplement called Rainbow Dog Oil since all omega's naturally in food will lose potency after being cooked. I use only a drop or two of it for her and about a third capsule of probiotic sprinkled in each meal since my girl eats 3 meals a day at this time anyway. So far so good for me. I also stretch our NV with shredded raw veggies/homecooked. I hope this helps!!
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I never said to add nothing else....and the ratios that I know many many people are using is 50% meat, 25% organ meats, 25% veggies/fruit. Some give raw meaty beef bones occasionally.

Actually we may have all mis-read the OP's post...as she says "homecooked" and this diet is considered raw.
I must have misunderstood your post then. I'm sorry! Because you said If you are feeding ground bone in your raw...you don't have to supplement., I thought you mean that you didn't have to add anything else.

I am curious.. where are you getting 50% meat, 25% organ, and 25% veggies/fruit? Prey-model raw feeders and every PMR website/forum/book I have read suggests 80/10/10. Maybe you are feeding a different type of raw? I think it's called BARF? Also, prey-model raw feeders do not feed any fruits or vegetables. We believe that dogs are carnivores and get everything they need from meat.
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I would love to do the prey-model diet but im not confident that id do it right so id be paranoid they arent getting everything they need nutritionally... plus i dont know of any butcher shops... but my goal is in the future to feed PMR.. If u have any suggestions on how to get started on PMR, that would be great! What about buying meat at Costco? Would that be more cost effective? I will def look into this... thank you!
It is definitely overwhelming and scary at first but after you get the hang of it, it becomes second nature. I don't even bother weighing anything anymore. If this is something you are interested in I can definitely help you get started! PM me and I can send you some really helpful links.

You can definitely buy meat at Costco! A lot of our meat comes straight from the grocery store.. you just have to make sure it is unenhanced. A lot of meat marketed for humans has chicken broth and sodium added to make the meat more tender and flavorful. Too much of this can cause tummy upset in dogs, although some handle it just fine (mine do). A good way to make sure is to check the nutrition label. Anything with more than 80mg of sodium is enhanced. The reason I suggested a butcher or co-op originally is because you may be able to get better prices and more variety. For example, with PMR you have to feed organ and if that's something you cannot find at Costco then you'll have to order it or find a supplier.

Anyway I don't want to hijack this thread but like I said, PM me with your questions and I'll help get you started.
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