Question about bile acid tests!!!

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by bellbuzz07

what about the original poster? her babies post test was over 200... any suggesttions, kind words, or prayers for her?

I hope her baby is ok and is in the best medical hands necessary and is being taken care of now and on the road to recovery and in my prayers!

Donna Bird

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by bellbuzz07

what about the original poster? her babies post test was over 200... any suggesttions, kind words, or prayers for her?

I think she had the BAT done yesterday......I don't know if she's obtained the results yet......waiting to hear from her......

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I have sent some blood work myself for a Protein C test on one of my yorkies but I didn't send it to Texas A & M and I'm here in Texas my vet shipped it to Cornell University to Dr. Sharon Center and of course no shunt was found and also we re did the test in a month and the BATs were/are normal...that is when I found out that taking medications right before a BAT test can obscure the results on a BAT test and for several years now still normal BATS and I run them every 6 months and that is on a pet yorkie not a breeding one. I will do a scintigraphy after a Protein C test that was run by Dr. Sharon Center and that is if that what she recommends. I totally trust what Dr. Sharon Center would recommend.

yes meds will affect it as all meds are processed through the liver and why yorkies and malts should have bats done as vets need to know what meds are safe and the proper anesthesia to use even though i would only use isoflurine and propofol anyway. This is why after seeing 3 vets and the 4th one said we need to bat dd if she is going to go on atopica for allergies and when i learned about liver issue and spent 24 hrs straight that night learning about it as he was rushing me in to do scintigraphy and i will not put my dog through any unnecessary tests unless i 100% feel it is necessary and so glad i joined liver shunt group and educated myself as it saved my dog with no high alt, no symptoms other than skin issue of having the scintigraphy now most owners would have blindly done the test sadly but i learned alot after my dex was so sick and i spent 10,000that i will be broke if i do not start educating myself or worse my dogs could die so i better do my homework and so glad i did 4 years later but it is exhausting but i believe with animals they cannot talk so you as the owner have a bigger responsibility to be their voice

[TLC]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I think she had the BAT done yesterday......I don't know if she's obtained the results yet......waiting to hear from her......

She got the results, they are posted here within her thread, but I guess with all the postings here, it was 'missed' by a lot people

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I think she had the BAT done yesterday......I don't know if she's obtained the results yet......waiting to hear from her......

she posted it below it is 200 plus so she needs to in my opinion do the scintigraphy and then decide but i would only have tobias do surgery with my dog

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by TLC

She got the results, they are posted here within her thread, but I guess with all the postings here, it was 'missed' by a lot people

Thank You. I'm sure she's devistated and collecting her thoughts on her next step........

Prayers are with her.

[Brooklynn]

My prayers are with her! Now she knows the results and now it's one step at a time...I would do a consult with Dr. Tobias as to how to move forward. Again, ask the experts in this field!
Prayers are with the OP and her baby!

Donna Bird

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

My prayers are with her! Now she knows the results and now it's one step at a time...I would do a consult with Dr. Tobias as to how to move forward. Again, ask the experts in this field!
Prayers are with the OP and her baby!

Donna Bird

Agree. Both Dr. Tobias and Dr. Center have other qualified DVM, ACVIM specialists that they work closely with throughout the country......

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Elle

This is the post I returned to the blog for. It concerns be greatly. Did I miss something? IMO, there is no replacement for good veterinarian treatment. Did you have a bad treatment that led you to feel otherwise?


We are all entitled to own opinions. However! Holisitic medicine can be dangerous. I can see a need if one doesn't have anything to lose. But otherwise I wouldn't dare bother rolling those dice!
I've known a couple vets that work with holistic practitioners. I can tell you stories about those crazos, all of have bad reputations as DVM's.
It's not to say that every single holistic practitioner is a quack. There are some good stories out there. I go back to, when you have nothing to lose why not? The holistic theory that all problems come from vaccinations is a lie. Just like Lady Wonder the Palm Reader, people come to them distraught. It's easy to blame anything where they can. They're lying & don't buy into all of it. In addition to this. A good vet SHOULD be all one needs. Yorkies don't need a therapist, trainer, personal shopper, whisperer, etc. Proper care by you and or a groomer & vet. That should be all that they need.

Even though Dr. Dodds is not a typical holistic vet. Any time you talk about a world renowned medical provider one must give credit. sort of like talking to Dr. Phil about problems in your family. Is he a good man or is it marketing? Well, BOTH! If you cannot take your pet to them for everything, are they really helping you that much? I'd ask them why? It's niche marketing & it's okay if you know it up front.
This is only my own opinion. You are entitled to your own. If we existed on holistic meds where would our yorkies be? We would not know or we would be too sick to care for them.
I won't titer, not me, no way!

well having dealt with dr dodds for 3 years now she is the most caring vet professional i have met and she not only is extremely sharp as vets all over the world consult her she has been studying blood for 40 years and knows her stuff. I trust her with blood work exclusively as most vets are not as sharp as you think on blood work and go by what labs say - I personally trust people who specialize in a certain thing and why i go to an opthamologist for eyes, internal medicine for internal organs, dentist for all dentals, orthopedic for injuries,dr dodds for blood work, dermatologist for skin and allergy issues and vet for your basic stuff it is worth the extra money to have the best if something is more serious. I personally believe in titers and believe many health issues are due to over vaccinating dogs. After the puppy shots my dee dee was a total mess at 6 mos constantly itches and is hypothyroid she is a total mess and probably due to inbreeding as vet stated she was inbred on her AKC papers so do i blame backyard breeder more YEP but due to poor immune system the vaccinations probably made it worse what was already genetically there. Also, on the vaccinations it says FOR HEALTHY DOGS ONLY so dogs with health issues I am not buying into over vaccinating them. Many vets still do yearly vaccinations which i think is absurd. My parents bought into it all and they have a healthy dog he got a bordatella shot instead of intranasal and got a viral infection a few days later and was very sick and they refused to think the dog got it from the vaccination and this dog has not been sick in 9 years but the only thing that changed is he was always given intranasal prior. They started to run wild with pancreatitis etc as he was vomitting blood and bloody diarhea but I have alot of experience with that and said to my dad no way - it ended up costing my parents $1200 to get him better and he has been fine ever since but he will never get a bordatella shot again

It depends on the dog and comfort of owner so you have to do what you feel along with your vet feels is best for your dogs.

A vet we go to cringed when i took demi in for a rabies shot as she was due and asked me 3times am i sure NOW WHY WAS THAT? Does she know something I do not know - I believe so

[Elle]

Originally Posted by Sashabear0430

Ok Sasha is FINALLY getting her BAT tomorrow at 3:15 pm. I will keep you guys updated when it's done.

IMO the first test can be meaningless. Have her retested in a month. It took me a lot of sleepless nights & hours on the phone to learn this.

It's as if some vets need a course in giving the test. Dr. Tobias will give a vet instructions on how to perform the tests. But when you tell them this, one may want to watch for fragile egos. Not all vets are humble.


They rarely give this test. So even though they're acting like it's a no-brainer it's usually uncommon.

Calm down. Don't worry. Not right now. It may or may not be an issue.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Agree. Both Dr. Tobias and Dr. Center have other qualified DVM, ACVIM specialists that they work closely with throughout the country......

lol well this person has stated prior they cannot afford to travel anywhere and just saved up enough for the bats and dr broom is the ONLY one in southern california that does the scintigraphy so unless she can travel and afford that plus the test I think she is best to do it here to be sure before incurring the costs for surgery that is what my friend did and when she knew it was a shunt then she traveled to tobias because if she travels there and it is not a shunt then that will be a total waste of money. I have heard though from some on my maltese group that dr center and dr tobias sometimes disagree on the surgery aspect so I guess at this point maybe a consult with dr centers would be in order and protein c test is less costly than scintigraphy but money being an issue i would go for the scintigraphy as i do not think the protein c is that accurate and may be a waste of money - does anyone know what dr center's charges for phone consults as sent another person to her and she called her back asap but did not hear what she charged

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Elle

IMO the first test can be meaningless. Have her retested in a month. It took me a lot of sleepless nights & hours on the phone to learn this.

It's as if some vets need a course in giving the test. Dr. Tobias will give a vet instructions on how to perform the tests. But when you tell them this, one may want to watch for fragile egos. Not all vets are humble.


They rarely give this test. So even though they're acting like it's a no-brainer it's usually uncommon.

Calm down. Don't worry. Not right now. It may or may not be an issue.

Good advice.......

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by dwerten

lol well this person has stated prior they cannot afford to travel anywhere and just saved up enough for the bats and dr broom is the ONLY one in southern california that does the scintigraphy so unless she can travel and afford that plus the test I think she is best to do it here to be sure before incurring the costs for surgery that is what my friend did and when she knew it was a shunt then she traveled to tobias because if she travels there and it is not a shunt then that will be a total waste of money. I have heard though from some on my maltese group that dr center and dr tobias sometimes disagree on the surgery aspect so I guess at this point maybe a consult with dr centers would be in order and protein c test is less costly than scintigraphy but money being an issue i would go for the scintigraphy as i do not think the protein c is that accurate and may be a waste of money - does anyone know what dr center's charges for phone consults as sent another person to her and she called her back asap but did not hear what she charged

I sent another person there....and she does not charge for phone consult.

However, I do know that UCLA does the surgery but, via a different method that has not proven to be successful......There is the Irvine Medical Hospital that happens to be one of the best in Southern California. Then of course UC Davis with one of the best Vet Schools in the country.......

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Elle

IMO the first test can be meaningless. Have her retested in a month. It took me a lot of sleepless nights & hours on the phone to learn this.

It's as if some vets need a course in giving the test. Dr. Tobias will give a vet instructions on how to perform the tests. But when you tell them this, one may want to watch for fragile egos. Not all vets are humble.


They rarely give this test. So even though they're acting like it's a no-brainer it's usually uncommon.

Calm down. Don't worry. Not right now. It may or may not be an issue.

what were the results on your baby? This is why i did 3 to be sure but i think with her numbers being over 200 and symptoms I think i would get on it if no symptoms then I would be more apt to hold off for a while and retest in 6 mos. I agree many vets are not up on this as went to 3 and then the 4th one was the only one that ever mentioned it and i have two yorkies and a maltese - the 4th is more up on it as i believe he is friends of dr broom and he also has a phd so i think he is further educated but i like you freaked when he called me saying my dd may have a shunt - i was in shock

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I sent another person there....and she does not charge for phone consult.

However, I do know that UCLA does the surgery but, via a different method that has not proven to be successful......There is the Irvine Medical Hospital that happens to be one of the best in Southern California. Then of course UC Davis with one of the best Vet Schools in the country.......

yeah my vet sent her personal friend to ucdavis for internal shunt on a boxer and the dog died and ucdavis is far away from this person as she is from orange county i believe where vet care is expensive as my cousin lives there. UCDAVIS is more known for nutrition and i would not have my dog done there at all. The only dog i know that had surgery in so cal was a lady on liver shunt group she drove down from washington to dr broom had the scintigraphy done and it was a shunt then some other guy down here did surgery and dog died - NO WAY i would only have dr tobias and it costs about 4,000 to have surgery in so cal as my friend checked it out so she flew to ut and spent a week there and it was half the cost i have not heard of one positive shunt surgery in southern california so i would not risk it --i know this may sound funny but i prefer women surgeons they have small hands and i believe that is important in doing surgery on tiny dogs lollll