RAW diet

[littlepixie12]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

all i know is that at least in giving rice through this meal you are giving home cooked grade A rice that wasn't ever rotting on the floor of some grain co. and then got shoveled into a ground up kibble...

i think dogs need a variety of different foods not all of one thing or another...Karrie and I use this recipe because we both trusted her mom as a hobby nutritionist for dogs. I really believe this is helping Sadie eat better than she would have on kibble and keeps her healthier and keeps her teeth clean and her poop regulated.

the rice and eggs and veggies add carbs that proteins don't give the dogs, their bodies are much like humans in that they need variety and they need a lot of nutrients. they jsut don't need rotten ones from some companies floor...


google the history of dog food and the results might make you sick, the things they crush up to feed our dogs is awful, horses, euthanized pets, ext all might be lurking in that kibble..

it's always a personal choice, some vets don't approve, but it works for us and we swear by it.

Thanks

Yes, thank you I did! Thats why I wanted to homecook my puppy. Most poeple look at me like Im totally crazy but I made him something last night (not raw, I made a reciepe from the reciepe thread) and Ive never seen Maxi eat so fast or enjoy food so much. Honestly, it almost made me cry.

Thanks!

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by littlepixie12

Yes, thank you I did! Thats why I wanted to homecook my puppy. Most poeple look at me like Im totally crazy but I made him something last night (not raw, I made a reciepe from the reciepe thread) and Ive never seen Maxi eat so fast or enjoy food so much. Honestly, it almost made me cry.

Thanks!

Sadie did the exact same thing, she didn't touch the kibble her breeder left for her, but she gobbled up the raw right away that i had for her...i was so happy because i was a little scared she wasn't going to eat for me, but nope it was just that she didn't like the nasty diamond puppy food they fed her...in fact, i free fed her royal canin indoor puppy mixed with the diamond powder and kibble slowly...she picked out all the canin and left all the diamond...if that doesn't tell you she doesn't like it i don't know what does haha!!!

[proudgran25]

This is the best info I have found. My granddaughter got her Yorkie (8 weeks), Zak, Sunday and we are already on raw diet. He LOVES it! The kibble they gave us had him turning up his nose. We just switched straight to raw starting with ground turkey and chicken wings. We will learn so much more from all of the info posted. Thanks again!!!
PS He already goes potty outside only, absolutely no accidents so far. He doesn't even like his housebreaking pads (too bad we bought 4 pkgs)He is soooo smart and loveable! Glad we picked a Yorkie. May he live a long, happy, healthy life on raw food!

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Here are some Raw links I like, some of which we could put in the sticky (?):


Primal Pet Foods: Wholesome Raw Food for Dogs and Cats
Nature's Variety
The Many Myths of Raw Feeding
RAW PREY MODEL GUIDELINES - Raw Food Diet Forum
Jane Anderson's Raw Learning Site
http://www.naturesfarmacy.com/UserFriendlyDiet.pdf
Raw Meaty Bones
Raw Feeding Spreadsheet (very thorough)
Easy Raw Feeding Spreadsheet/calculator
My Pet Carnivore Homepage


And this vet feeds raw, this is her awesome blog:

DOG-Breath — “An outspoken commentary of ideas, healthy insights, and occasional rants that will bust your dogma!”

And here is the YT Prey Model thread: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...odel-diet.html

This would make a great sticky! You've certainly included all the ones I've read and some other great ones I'm going to read. Thank you!

[kalina82]

i liked this one when i was learning Raw Feeding the recipes are my favorite

[culantro]

My dog is 19 weeks and he is being eating science diet,2 spoons of can plus a handfull of kibbles 2 times day at 7 am and 7pm. He poops twice a day around 7am and 7pm, and sometimes once more after dinner (he has his little bathroom in the house so he goes whenever he feels like). After reading so many links an info I feel overwelmed with information. I decide to try giving him one thigh bone I peeled the meat off while cooking chicken. It took him 20 minutes to eat half and then he just left it there. After a while he came back and almost finished.


here are my questions:
1. this morning he threw up a transparent liquid. I don't know if I should continue with the raw diet.

2. if I feed him raw chicken most of the time, do I have to give him a fish or beef every week? how often per week? fish is very expensive in publix (the pervasive supermarket in florida)

3. Can I give him the raw food frozen or should I microwave it?

4. should I feed him twice a day? in the morning before going to work and in the afternoon after I come back?

Although the Jane Anderson websites have a lot of information, I'm having problems creating a recipe that I can mix once, freeze it and then give my dog portions of it regularly.


Thanks in advanced.

[ally173]

Originally Posted by LuvMySissy

Generally, when you switch to raw - you can just switch completely - no need to mix with kibble.

would the dog get upset stomach when switching from bland diet to honest kitchen; or should i mix 50/50 at first; not sure how to introduce the new food

[hollywillis]

I want to try raw with Darcy, she can't have cooked chicken as it gives her diarrhoea, will this be the same if she eats it raw?

[tjdmom]

Originally Posted by culantro

My dog is 19 weeks and he is being eating science diet,2 spoons of can plus a handfull of kibbles 2 times day at 7 am and 7pm. I decide to try giving him one thigh bone I peeled the meat off while cooking chicken. It took him 20 minutes to eat half and then he just left it there. After a while he came back and almost finished.
here are my questions:
1. this morning he threw up a transparent liquid. I don't know if I should continue with the raw diet.

2. if I feed him raw chicken most of the time, do I have to give him a fish or beef every week? how often per week? fish is very expensive in publix (the pervasive supermarket in florida)

3. Can I give him the raw food frozen or should I microwave it?

4. should I feed him twice a day? in the morning before going to work and in the afternoon after I come back?

Although the Jane Anderson websites have a lot of information, I'm having problems creating a recipe that I can mix once, freeze it and then give my dog portions of it regularly.


Thanks in advanced.

I've been feeding a prey model raw diet for about a year and a half now....
lets see if I can help at all...
on your first question - was it just a bit of bile - liquidy a little yellowish? Just a little? That wouldn't concern me, my dog has done it on kibble and also on raw. Sometimes I think when she didn't eat enough the night before, she will spit up a little bile.

2. I feed mostly chicken with other things thrown in. Sometimes pork, sometimes beef, sometimes turkey, sometimes when I get really lucky they get venison (I've had this donated) My dogs so far in a year and a half have had chicken, turkey, venison, beef, pork, beaver, elk, rabbit and fish. Although I will say that my yorkie hates fish. Will not eat it, no way no how. I do add salmon oil to her food most days so I don't feel it's necessary to worry about the fish if she doesn't like it.

3. Don't microwave it but you could give it slightly frozen. Not frozen solid but not completely thawed either. My Zoe will only eat liver that way. And remember they are supposed to get 10% organs of which about 1/2 of that should be liver. 10% should be bone and the rest should be meat. Heart and gizzards count as meat not organ.

4. I think I would try to come home at lunchtime and give him a bite to eat. I think he's a little young to be only eating twice a day. Can you work out coming home for just a couple months until he is 6 months old?

As for recipes... just think whole food. A chicken wing with maybe a gizzard, a 1/2 chicken breast, sometimes I get a pork roast and cut off larger portions. Remember to add fish or salmon oil and a little thumbnail piece of liver. I try to add some other organ (kidney usually) a few times a week. It really doesn't take a lot of planning. If you are putting a ton of thought into it, you are probably over thinking things. But I was once a beginner myself so I know how that is!

[JennyLeroux]

I have really been wanting to try the raw diet. I currently feed my dogs Wellness but I like to go as natural as possible for my dogs so I gave it a try. I was a little leery of giving the dogs bones. I just didn't want to take any chances. I gave them some ground beef the first night. They loved it and I couldn't believe how quick their stool slowed down. They process the Wellness so quick I feel like all I do is pick up their stool. So I went back to the store and got some more ground beef the second day. My Biewer is more sensitive to food and food changes but she did fine. However, my Yorkie on the second day immediatly got extremely bloated and it gave her diarrhea really bad which even turned bloody. I am not sure what I did wrong and although I would love to continue it there is no way that I can take a chance on it.

[tjdmom]

Originally Posted by JennyLeroux

I have really been wanting to try the raw diet. I currently feed my dogs Wellness but I like to go as natural as possible for my dogs so I gave it a try. I was a little leery of giving the dogs bones. I just didn't want to take any chances. I gave them some ground beef the first night. They loved it and I couldn't believe how quick their stool slowed down. They process the Wellness so quick I feel like all I do is pick up their stool. So I went back to the store and got some more ground beef the second day. My Biewer is more sensitive to food and food changes but she did fine. However, my Yorkie on the second day immediatly got extremely bloated and it gave her diarrhea really bad which even turned bloody. I am not sure what I did wrong and although I would love to continue it there is no way that I can take a chance on it.

I'm not at all surprised at your Yorkie's reaction. But this is not a problem with the raw diet itself but a case of "operator error". You should not have started with beef to begin with and certainly not ground beef. It has a ton of fat mixed in there and absolutely no bone. If your poor yorkie had not had that reaction, I would have been surprised. The best way to start is with a piece of bone in chicken breast and remove the skin or visible fat. Use a fork to score it. You might want to cut the breast in 1/2 - at least that's what I do. Feed the chicken breast for a good 10 days to give their bodies a chance to adjust and then add small amounts of other meats bit by bit. I'm surprised your biewer didn't have problems as well but I will say I used to have a collie who had extreme sensitivity and that went away for the most part when I switched to raw - unless I over did liver or a new meat.

[JennyLeroux]

Originally Posted by tjdmom

I'm not at all surprised at your Yorkie's reaction. But this is not a problem with the raw diet itself but a case of "operator error". You should not have started with beef to begin with and certainly not ground beef. It has a ton of fat mixed in there and absolutely no bone. If your poor yorkie had not had that reaction, I would have been surprised. The best way to start is with a piece of bone in chicken breast and remove the skin or visible fat. Use a fork to score it. You might want to cut the breast in 1/2 - at least that's what I do. Feed the chicken breast for a good 10 days to give their bodies a chance to adjust and then add small amounts of other meats bit by bit. I'm surprised your biewer didn't have problems as well but I will say I used to have a collie who had extreme sensitivity and that went away for the most part when I switched to raw - unless I over did liver or a new meat.

Thank you so much for the suggestions. I feel terrible about this. I read all the links and most of the posts on YT but I never found any direct info on the initial transition.

[WV~Yorkies]

Am I reading this right? Dogs can have whole chicken bones? I always thought that was a no no.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies

Am I reading this right? Dogs can have whole chicken bones? I always thought that was a no no.

Dogs can't have cooked bones (too brittle/sharp when they break), but they can have Raw bones.

[tjdmom]

Originally Posted by JennyLeroux

Thank you so much for the suggestions. I feel terrible about this. I read all the links and most of the posts on YT but I never found any direct info on the initial transition.

If you decide you want to try again, these 2 groups provide lost of help for beginners:

RawChat : Raw Chat
rawfeeding : Raw Feeding for dogs and cats!

And this is a great site to take a look at as well....
The Many Myths of Raw Feeding

Of course, I'd be happy to try to help in anyway I can as well.....