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07-07-2008, 12:29 PM | #1 |
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| Recommended protein and fat % in dog food? Does anyone know what these % range should be to be considered quality foods that would not harm our little ones? |
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07-07-2008, 12:42 PM | #2 |
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| there is no such thing as too much protien. The higher the better... it means the higher the percentage of pure, meat based, ingredients. And if the meat content is higher that means that the fat should naturally be lower. So in short.. lol.. look for a high percentage of protien and the fat should then be low if the food is a high quality food. |
07-07-2008, 12:55 PM | #3 |
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| Oh ok...I see. Zoe is currently eating Artemis and Innova EVo and the ratios are as follows: Innova EVO (grain free small bites red meats) Protein 42.42 % Fat 22.22 Artemis: Crude Protein, min. 25.0% Crude Fat, min. 15.0% Based on your understanding of ratios, what do you think? |
07-07-2008, 01:15 PM | #4 | |
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sorry didn't realzied you were feeding both.. iw ould continue to do that... the artemis has really low fat which is great balanced with the EVO. Has she been tested for liver issues/ If all came back ok i'd keep doing what you are doing | |
07-07-2008, 01:18 PM | #5 |
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| me again lately i have been leery about food companies that don't offer a grain free variety. I feel like they aren't current and up to date on the digestive needs of dogs.. but that's just me |
07-07-2008, 01:38 PM | #6 |
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| Thank you....yes, she has been tested and no liver problem, just lots of allergies which is why I was specifically looking for grain free...her vet shakes his head every time he sees 'barley' as a food ingredient in MOST food brands becuase he thinks that ingredient is not beneficial and doesn't understand why all food companies add this as it is a highly allergic grain. Yes, we alternate her on Artemis at night and EVO during the day. I was thinking of rotating the EVo with the chicken variety as well as EVO reduced fat, which unfortunately has the chicken that Layla is allergic to. The fat content is also 15%. Thanks again for putting the protein/fat content into perspecitive. I love the EVO that it has a lot of GREAT ingredients and no 'fluff' that isn't necessary in a diet. You should get samples first though, Zoe likes the EVO chicken a lot more than the red meats, not sure why. She will eat the red meat, but not as quickly as the chicken variety. But this grain free EVO variety is new and seems promising. |
07-07-2008, 02:00 PM | #7 | |
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The problem with Evo is their canned. It is over 35% fat which is crazy. That is just too high.
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07-07-2008, 02:03 PM | #8 |
Loved by Layla Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada
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| holy crap. i didn't even look at their canned.. that's insane. |
07-07-2008, 02:13 PM | #9 |
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| Even the chicken (actually turkey is the first ingredient) variety of the EVO has about 22% fat. I have a 13 yr old lab, a 4 yr old shih tzu, and a 3 yr old yorkie eating this. Everyone is doing really well, but I think it's making Lucy (my yorkie) fat. It seems the less I feed her and the more we excercise the fatter she gets. I've also noticed that she's pretty itchy. I'm going to try wellness fish and rice and see how that goes. I need her to lose around a half pound. |
07-07-2008, 02:20 PM | #10 |
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| Huh? I'm seeing their canned beef at 11% fat and the chicken/turkey at 11.35% fat? I don't see the 35%? |
07-07-2008, 02:22 PM | #11 | |
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Crystal where do you see the 35%? | |
07-08-2008, 07:42 AM | #12 | |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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Here is the guaranteed analysis of the Evo Chicken canned: Crude Protein (min) 9 % Crude Fat (min) 10 % Crude Fiber (max) 1 % Moisture (max) 78 % Carbohydrates NFE (max) 0.46 % Vitamin E (min) 100 IU/kg Calorie Content: 1,349.8 kcal/kg 38 kcal/oz The moisture is 78%, so the recipracol of the moisture is 22. The fat divided by the recipracol of the moisture (10 divided by 22) equals .45. Move the decimal point two places to the right and you have 45% fat. You can do this for kibble also but the results aren't much different from what is on the bag.
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07-08-2008, 09:01 AM | #13 | |
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07-08-2008, 09:10 AM | #14 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| Pay close attention to Yorkieluv's posts. I have learned so much from her. and google and I have a textbook on animal nutrition that is over 1000 pages long.
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07-08-2008, 11:29 AM | #15 |
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| Wow Crystal, that is fascinating. So isn't what is on the label misconstrued/false advertising then? I mean some dogs, like little dogs can possibly get really sick if an owner isn't aware that water is factored into the % |
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