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Old 11-14-2006, 11:54 AM   #1
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Default Pre-anesthesia?

Not getting results on the other forum on the add on post I added about anesthesia for Adonis getting neutered.

My vet says they use Atropine & Ace as a pre-anethestic. What is this stuff? Is it safe?

And also Telazol to knock them down so they can put the tube in the throat for the Isoflurane. Is Telazol safe too? Tube? nobody told me the Isoflurane needed a tube to get to him?

Are the other meds ok for my babies?

I was told none of these meds were barbituate.

She also said that it was ok at 5 months to have Venus spayed. I thougth that was a little young myself. She said they have a 3lb dog they're doing today. Not real sure how much Venus weighs now, she might be 3lbs.

I was also told that without the Atropine & Ace, as pre-anethestic and the Telazol they won't do a spay or neuter. Which I'd rather know now.....as I will NOT have them use anything that might have a real bad effect on either of my babies. They mean the world to me!!

The girl that works there, told me to get off the internet! LOL I told her this website had 14,000 yorkie owners, and I trust their judgement!

She also said the dr (which is actually my vet too) specializes in small dogs. This place is a discount spay/neuter clinic that my vet runs.

Someone PLEASE give me some info on these meds, so I can make a decision!
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Old 11-14-2006, 01:19 PM   #2
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I am an OR nurse and at work right now and the anesthesiologist had never heard of ACE or telazol. Keep in mind he has never worked with animals.

My vet says they use Atropine & Ace as a pre-anethestic. What is this stuff? Is it safe?
Atropine has a temporary systemic effect of speeding up the heart rate (among other things) I not sure what ACE is.

And also Telazol to knock them down so they can put the tube in the throat for the Isoflurane. Is Telazol safe too? Tube? nobody told me the Isoflurane needed a tube to get to him?

I found this on a web site:Telazol serves as a rapidly acting general anesthetic that provides significant pain relief, immobility, and muscle relaxation.
Here is the site http://www.petplace.com/drug-library...zol/page1.aspx

Isoflurane is the gas they use after induction to keep them asleep. I recommend sevoflurane (if your vet has it) It will cost a little more, but they do better after surgery. We use it on humans (along with iso sometimes if there is a reason not to use sevo) everyday.
I hope this helps....

She also said that it was ok at 5 months to have Venus spayed.

My vet also recommended spay at 5 mos. Before they go into first heat. I decided to wait until about 6 mos. to also get any remaining teeth pulled at the same time.
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Old 11-14-2006, 01:33 PM   #3
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I looked at the webiste you put in your post, and saw the the Telazol is a benzo. Ok, on the main board, someone said No barbituates period. Is there a difference in a benzo, and barbituate?

Thank you so much for the information. Was thinking I'd never get a reply, but then again, I'm really nervous about doing this too.

I told Paula (the assistant) she'd have to bury me if something happened to my baby!
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If these drugs are not barbituates, then I am sure they are fine. They have to stick the tube down their throat to intubate them so they can breath. They will use a local anesthetic before they do this otherwise the dog will not allow them to put the tube down their throat.
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I am assuming it will go something like this....they will use the atropine and the ACE? to keep your baby stable. The gas is used to keep them sedated and allow intubation (no local is used for this). Then they will use the Telazol to keep her relaxed so she doesn't push....this is common in surgery.
Sevoflurane is the best gas available...smooth into sleep, quickest acting, smooth waking up.
I would feel comfortable with the procedure. We do surgery everyday with little complications. I would find out who is administering the anesthesia..sorry to add another worry. The vet usually induces and the tech monitors. The risk of not spaying is much more than the surgery.
This is coming from someone that would also need to be put down if something happened to my baby!!!!
You are doing the right thing by finding out all the info you can.
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Old 11-14-2006, 02:43 PM   #6
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Belliasmybaby thats how she described it would go.

I'm still trying to find out the difference between a benzo and barbituates. I did find out that Telazol is a benzo.

I know though, NO barbituates.

Ok, so I'm going to go nuts over this long before I make an appointment for either is spayed or neutered!
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Bnot...
Here is some info: Today barbiturates are infrequently used as anticonvulsants and for the induction of anesthesia. Benzodiazepines were made as safer barbiturate alternatives as they are virtually impossible to overdose and thus help thwart individuals with suicidal tendencies. Since the introduction of Diazepam in 1963, the first benzodiazepine prescibed for clinical use, barbiturates have been gradually phased out from use. Some of the barbiturates available are:

Benzodiazepines are things like Valium and Xanax...for relaxation. I'm sure the vet would listen to your request for no barb. It's not like the other meds needed for anesthesia. I'm not sure if vets use Versed...it has a great amnesic effect. I am going to ask my vet when it's my turn....not too far down the road. Actually your question has helped my learn alot!
I hope this helps to ease your mind. Surgery is scary and not entered into lightly.
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Ok, so they AREN'T the same!! Wheww........

I sure didn't ask that many questions when I got my own hysterectomy, lol. Know who I care more about than myself!

Glad this question helped someone else too! And maybe others using the search engine later.

Thank you so much belliasmybaby!!! You have no idea how much you've helped me.
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You're very welcome...glad I could help
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I am so glad this was posted my baby goes on Friday for his neutering. Peanut was just 6 months on Sunday.
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Default Has anyone had their male MVD Yorkie Neutored?

I just had my Mickey's Bile Acids tested today. Still a bit high. They want to do a blood coagulation test to see if he can clot before doing the neutor. Has anyone had a neutor done on the male MVD Yorkie?

I am a bit nervous but really want it done. I am OK with the MVD. He is thriving on the Royal Canine Hepatic LS diet (dry) and his fruits and veggies.

He is 19 months now. Even though, thank God, he does not pee in the house, outside we call him "Sir Pee's A-Lot!"
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Animal Smiley 049 ace is acepromazine

we used it for miko when we had to take a 2.5 hour car ride with her (she panics in the car). it knocked her out basically, but not completely. she was still really nervous on city streets. she didn't seem to have any adverse reaction to it. it's used frequently on dogs as pre-anesthetic and for dogs with severe anxiety with travel.
here's a link with more info on 'ace' (acepromazine)

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_acepromazine.html

best of luck with your baby
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I just had my Mickey's Bile Acids tested today. Still a bit high. They want to do a blood coagulation test to see if he can clot before doing the neutor. Has anyone had a neutor done on the male MVD Yorkie?

I am a bit nervous but really want it done. I am OK with the MVD. He is thriving on the Royal Canine Hepatic LS diet (dry) and his fruits and veggies.

He is 19 months now. Even though, thank God, he does not pee in the house, outside we call him "Sir Pee's A-Lot!"
Yes. I have had no problems.
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I just had my Mickey's Bile Acids tested today. Still a bit high. They want to do a blood coagulation test to see if he can clot before doing the neutor. Has anyone had a neutor done on the male MVD Yorkie?

I am a bit nervous but really want it done. I am OK with the MVD. He is thriving on the Royal Canine Hepatic LS diet (dry) and his fruits and veggies.

He is 19 months now. Even though, thank God, he does not pee in the house, outside we call him "Sir Pee's A-Lot!"
Yes, our yorkie with MVD was neutered and he did fine Just be careful with the pain medicine. Many times they give Rimadyl after surgeries for pain, and this medicine almost killed my Miko...It's been known to cause liver failure, and on a dog who already has a compromised liver, I don't think it's safe.
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