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|05-03-2020, 11:55 PM||#1|
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: New York City
URGENT- Vomiting and diarrhea issues with one year old Yorkie
Hey guys! Hope everyone is staying safe and healthy during this awful pandemic!
I am so happy to be a part of this forum! This is my first post!
I was writing to ask for much needed advice regarding our 1 1/2 year old yorkie, Cosmo.
When we first got Cosmo (at 3 months) we fed him Royal Canin puppy kibble and we kept him on that until he turned 1 year. Then we switched him to Royal Canin adult.
One day I was looking at the ingredients of Royal Canin and I was blown away at all the awful things I saw in there: Brewer's rice? Brewer's yeast? A bunch of other ingredients before anything with protein appeared. Immediately we decided to switch him to another brand of dog food.
At 1 year and 2 months we switched Cosmo to ZIWI peak air dried dog food which we felt had more natural ingredients and he loved it! And he did great on it for 3 months! It's an amazing food! Organic, all meat with kelp and vitamins. He loved it!
Then suddenly problems began to arise. Foolishly, we did not realize that since this food is air dried, it's very dense and you feed less than you would regular kibble. So he should have gotten a cup a day, and sometimes he was getting 1.5 cups a day. And I have to admit the screw up on our part that we were mixing flavors in his food dish (which I now understand is a big no no), so one day he would get a combo of lamb and venison ZIWI, then maybe the next day he would get venison and lamb tripe, etc.
We also made another screw up, as I understand it, the bags of ZIWI are only good 8 weeks from when you first open it. I could kick myself for not doing my research.
So it was around late March of this year where Cosmo started having problems with diarrhea, vomitting, and loose stool. We took him off the ZIWI and have only been feeding him boiled chicken from March 25th to present day (on the recommendation of our vet).
I am so sorry to bother all of you with the insanely long post be we are desperate. And because of this pandemic, our vet's office is completely overwhelmed and it's so hard to get an appointment and to get anybody on the phone.
If anyone has *any* suggestions for us, please. I would be so grateful.
To help you out, please look at this time line of when COSMO first started getting sick
March 25th - he had diarrhea an threw up. We gave him boiled chicken to see if that would settle his stomach.
March 26th - He had horrible diarrhea again this time it was bloody. We took him to the Emergency Vet since this happened in the middle of the night. He was given an anti nausea injection and fluid under his skin. They also gave us antibiotics (not sure which one - will see if I can get the name). From this point on, we have only been feeding him boiled chicken.
April 5th - Threw up again. Has very soft stool.
April 11th - Threw up up bile.
April 12th - Thew up bile. He didn't eat all day and ate very little boiled chicken at night. We also gave him some canned pumpkin on the advice of our vet (which he seemed to like).
April 13th - Not diarrhea but soft stool
—10am - normal stool .
—8pm very loose stool.
—10pm he is shaking and dry heaving. Eats very little boiled chicken. Continues shaking. Then falls asleep on my lap.
April 17th -
—9am - diarrhea again (no blood) / Gave him boiled chicken after that diarrhea. Seemed fine and playful all day, no other bowel movements.
APRIL 19th -
—11am - vomited in bed. Bowel movement was soft. Not pudding or diarrhea...but on the soft side.
—ATE NOTHING ALL DAY.
—All throughout the day he would sit on our laps and sometimes he would shake.
—11:23pm - vomited up bile, twice.
—12:30am he finally ate. He ate very little boiled chicken and a little pumpkin.
—4 am- He’s eating all his pumpkin and the rest of the boiled chicken.
APRIL 20th -
—2:19pm - vomit bile
APRIL 21st -
—4pm - brought to VET for x ray. Mass inside was found. Cosmo held for an hour to have another x ray to see if mass moved.
—6pm - 2nd x-ray - mass did move but it is still there. Dr smith administered barium and asked up to come back tomorrow morning at 9am to see if there was a blockage
APRIL 22nd -
—9am - brought Cosmo in to Vet to have barium checked via X-ray. No blockage. Showed a lot of gas. Sent home with Metronidazole.
—6pm - soft stool.
FOOD: he ate 3 plates of boiled chicken and 1 small baby carrot.
APRIL 23rd -
—11am - loose stool but formed. Cosmo is refusing to eat so we cannot give meds. He is not himself and keeps laying down then getting back up. He seems to be in distress about something. Gas? He is sitting on my lap shaking.
—2:12pm - diarrhea
—2:14pm - bloody diarrhea
—2:24pm - bloody diarrhea
—2:24pm - vomited up bile 7 times
—3pm - took to astoria vet for emergency. Was given fluids under skin. Anti-nausea injection.
—4pm- Cosmo throws up twice at home after getting the anti-nausea injection at vet. He goes to sleep after that.
From April 24-27
—Cosmo still on bland diet of boiled chicken and if we can get him to eat it, a sweet potato. Also taking 2 metronidazole pills a day.
—NO POOP from April 24-27 (4 days) No throwing up during these 4 days either.
—3pm - BOWEL MOVEMENT. Soft stool. Goes for long walk. Refuses food when we return home. Starts acting like he’s uncomfortable and nauseous. Refuses to eat or drink all day.
—11:40 pm he throws up yellow bile twice. He then goes to sleep.
—Cosmo eats his boiled chicken and rice, and is very playful and acting normal.
April 30th- Cosmo is playful and acting normal. He eats his boiled chicken as usual. NO POOP
—9pm - He is crying at his bag of regular dog food, so we give him literally the smallest half of a baby carrot with his boiled chicken. He is fine for a few hours, then he throws up the baby carrot and some of the chicken. After throwing up he goes back to acting normal.
May 1st - Cosmo ate boiled chicken as usual. NO POOP.
May 2nd - 1pm - Cosmo has BOWEL MOVEMENT. Very soft but formed. Does not have much of appetite but overall seems normal. (unfortunately, he seems to have a bowel movement every 4 to 5 days. That's been the pattern since he got sick.)
—11:30pm - Cosmo eats a small bowl of boiled chicken. This is the first time he’s wanted to eat all day.
May 3rd -
—11pm - all day Cosmo wouldn’t eat and is now eating his boiled chicken for the first time.
—1:30am - Cosmo has BOWEL MOVEMENT. It is very loose.Besides that he seems his usual self and playful.
So now our vet wants to put him back on Royal Canin and Tylan antibiotics for 2 weeks. At this point we are desperate for him to feel normal again. We don't want him on that food but we can do it for now until he's feeling better. We're not sure that the Ziwi air dried food caused this in the first place, maybe it was how much we were feeding him?
Does anyone have any advice on good quality dry food brands for sensitive stomachs and gastric issues? What are you feeding your yorkies? My thanks in advance!
Julie and Chris
|05-04-2020, 08:43 AM||#2|
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: North Carolina, USA
Hi, Julie. I’m fairly new to Yorkies, so I can’t give you any Yorkie-specific advice. However, I’ve fostered a lot of dogs and pups with medical issues for a rescue, and the details you’ve given about your Cosmo’s history raise some questions in my mind. Most importantly, has your vet given an actual or suspected diagnosis for your little guy’s digestive issues? Before being prescribed antibiotics, did Cosmo test positive for a specific bacterial infection or did he have an elevated white blood count that would point toward a bacterial infection? What did the vet determine about the mass that was found in late April? (I saw you said that it “moved” but is it still there and a possible factor?)
This is just my impression, but what you’re describing seems to go way beyond having a “sensitive stomach.” And (again, just my impression) it doesn’t seem your vet is being very responsive to how serious and long-lasting the symptoms are. Overfeeding, in my experience, would be more likely to make a dog fat, not cause six weeks of bloody diarrhea. Feeding expired food might cause an infection, but there’s been plenty of time to diagnose and treat one, if that’s the case.
I don’t mean to be critical of your vet, but even larger Yorkies are small dogs. I would be really uncomfortable letting this keep dragging on, while Cosmo keeps getting weaker and weaker, if your vet isn’t working HARD to find a cause. If he/she isn’t doing that, I’d be looking for another vet.
|05-04-2020, 02:05 PM||#3|
YT 1000 Club Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Hibbing Minnesota
My second yorkie was born with genetic IBD. Long story short we had her on Hills Prescription Diet ID most of her life. She did great on this food.Our yorkie now has allergies to chicken and egg and she is doing great on Hills Prescription Diet ZD. I know the ingredients are not my favorite but by listening to my vet our baby is doing wonderful. I been through the bloody diarrhea and mucous covered stools but we had our kid checked out throughly. I feel your best bet is talk to your vet about a prescription diet food. Hopefully Love To Dream answers your post she is very knowledgeable about foods for dogs. Susan Also Lady Jane is good with these problems.
Last edited by Susan78; 05-04-2020 at 02:09 PM.
|05-05-2020, 08:33 AM||#4|
YT 500 Club Member
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Kissimmee, FL
I am so sorry to hear that your dear little Cosmo has had so many struggles. I would not feel comfortable making any recommendations...out of my skill set...but hope that with the help of a trusted vet Cosmo will soon leave his problems behind! I will keep you both in my thoughts. (((hugs)))
Joy...Mommy to Tyrone and Gus
r.i.p. beloved Ozzie and Tucker, and Beauregarde the poodle
|05-05-2020, 04:53 PM||#5|
Join Date: Nov 2019
SO sad to know about the severe conditions your pup is facing you must follow some precautionary measures for your puppy.
before 2 years my dog was faced this pain I was worried and researched about the special diet for puppy in Diarrhea it was great to help me for comfort my Tommy
|05-06-2020, 09:40 AM||#6|
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
When my dog gets gassy I give her very gentle tummy rubs and I can actually feel the gas moving along in her intestines. Usually after a belly rub she acts a lot better. Their intestines are small and gas can easily get trapped and slow things down. Also, and this is simple, did anybody check his anal glands? Yorkies with blocked anal glands will sometimes refuse to eat because they don’t want to poop as it is uncomfortable for them to do so.
Kat Infinity Chloe ?
|05-06-2020, 01:22 PM||#7|
Action Jackson ♥
Join Date: Dec 2008
I have a dog who has had lots of stomach issues. Yorkies are very prone to pancreatitis and I've seen time and time again a lot of these air dried and freeze dried foods are VERY high in fat and often cause pancreatitis. Ziwipeak could have definitely done it. It sounds very similar to Jackson's tummy issues and he has pancreatitis and possible IBD.
We have to feed very low fat food. Something to keep in mind with WET/canned food is to always convert the fat % to dry matter basis. https://www.pawdiet.com/articles/dry...-for-pet-food/ - this is something I wasn't aware of for the longest time. You may see a canned food that says "3% fat" and you're thinking "oh that's low!!" but once it's converted, it's actually 25% fat.
Recommendations for most pancreatitis pups is to keep it under 10% fat ideally. I'm not saying for sure this what your dog has but it sounds very likely.
Did they do bloodwork? Did they do a specCPL? What was the amylase and lipase levels?
I feed my boy Royal Canin PW Moderate Calorie kibble with Weruva Cirque de le Mer canned (tuna based food). I find he does best with fish. When he has a flare we often feed whitefish and potatoes. Chicken and rice doesn't sit well with him personally.
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|05-06-2020, 02:15 PM||#8|
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Did the vet check a stool sample? Sent out to a lab are more thorough.
Kat Infinity Chloe ?
|05-06-2020, 06:45 PM||#9|
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker
Join Date: Aug 2019
My dog was 10 years old and passed away last year. She had a condition called Intestinal Lymphangiectasia (Protein-losing Enteropathy). She often had diarrhea when she was young. When she became older, her stomach started to swell often and had Bloody stools. We often knew when it was about to happen and it almost always had to do with the food. After many different tries, I did find what worked for her in terms of diet. She was on a strict (almost Vegetarian) diet all her life. She was on Royal Canine Prescription for Gastrointestinal dry food.(It also has a version in canned wet version) Her treats were Apple, Lettus, Carrots, etc.(No chicken, no beef, no pork or fish). Vet prescribed her Prednisone(steroid) which actually helped a lot with her diarrhea. I think you are doing the right thing to check with the vet.
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