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Old 08-04-2016, 06:47 PM   #1
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Default Trachea issues and Adequan

Does anyone have experience using this for Treachea or CT? Pros and Cons?

Going to vet tomorrow have a video of him honking and trying to get air. Had a Yorkie before that had episodes of CT so know the sound. This Yorkie is very young but wonder if starting him on this would hurt at all. Tks.
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Some people claim it helps, but I am skeptical. Don't think it could hurt.

I hope it turns out your pup doesn't have CT.
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Some people claim it helps, but I am skeptical. Don't think it could hurt.

I hope it turns out your pup doesn't have CT.
Tks for reply, Any other meds that you think might be good and that you have seen work?
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how old is your baby? how often is he honking? did you contact the breeder to ask for their input?
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Tks for reply, Any other meds that you think might be good and that you have seen work?
What works varies from pup to pup. I have used multiple meds depending on the situation. First thing is to get a firm diagnosis. You might want to have a flouroscopy done.

An interesting medication that works for some is Lomotil. Here is an article from Kirk's Vet Manual about it (click on the links on the page). You need an RX for it.

Index of /lomotil

Basic meds that are often used can be torbugesic, hycodan, Temeril P, Prednisone ...and they even use a combo of torbugesic and ace pro for severe symptoms on an as needed basis.

If you might be interested in participating in a study of Antinol, message me and I can get you in touch with a specialist who is doing it. There have been some anecdotal reports that is does help with CT. I don't know if it is only for local to Houston folks or if he will do other states. Can't hurt to inquire.
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how old is your baby? how often is he honking? did you contact the breeder to ask for their input?
Basically just starting -he is 15 months old - heard just the honk a couple of times around 8-9 months, then he had a surgery and heard several more times just a single honk when he was running and playing hard, did video and the vet said that he sounded like the honk. Then his past week he had another spell that from start to finish lasted about 5-7 minutes, got good video and going back to the vet.

Yes the breeder is wonderful and known her for 17 years.
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I just meant did the breeder have advice or input on which medication? Not whether or not she was nice.
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I just meant did the breeder have advice or input on which medication? Not whether or not she was nice.
Most breeders don't have such experience ... they really should not be breeding pups with a known history of CT

My comments are based on years of experience with pups with different degrees of CT.

I am not so sure this pup has CT .. coughing and/or honking on occasion is not a perfect way to determine it. There are so many other things this could be.
If it were my pup, I would just do a flouroscopy and know for sure what I was dealing with.
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Ahhh very interesting...I guess I figured long term breeders would have input, didn't realize they wouldn't- thanks for the input!
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Ahhh very interesting...I guess I figured long term breeders would have input, didn't realize they wouldn't- thanks for the input!
Sorry may have misunderstood your question. Yes the breeder (she doesn't breed to sell puppies, she breeds for her show dogs and sometimes she has pups that she will pet out) had input, she was the one that mentioned Adequan, she also discussed scope -pro/cons, things to do to calm him down. I have purchased from her before and she has always just been a text away and ready to help with any info she can. Told me she knows of several that have used Adequan with good results, but I always like to know other things that can be used also, He is only a little bit over 3 1/4 lb and is 15 months old. She gave me a location that she knows some other show breeders have used if the scope is needed and what to look for and questions to ask.
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Perfect - good plan!
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Most breeders don't have such experience ... they really should not be breeding pups with a known history of CT

My comments are based on years of experience with pups with different degrees of CT.

I am not so sure this pup has CT .. coughing and/or honking on occasion is not a perfect way to determine it. There are so many other things this could be.
If it were my pup, I would just do a flouroscopy and know for sure what I was dealing with.
Have knows this show breeder for years, she has not had a case of CT in her blood lines and was extremely upset to learn of this and I have sent her videos, etc.
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Ahhh very interesting...I guess I figured long term breeders would have input, didn't realize they wouldn't- thanks for the input!
Oh, don't get me wrong....they could. But, I have seen so many people contact breeders who claimed to know nothing about the conditions(s) the people were asking about.

A good breeder simply isn't going to have experience with such issues. They may have some information but IMHO experience beats reading all day long.
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Sorry may have misunderstood your question. Yes the breeder (she doesn't breed to sell puppies, she breeds for her show dogs and sometimes she has pups that she will pet out) had input, she was the one that mentioned Adequan, she also discussed scope -pro/cons, things to do to calm him down. I have purchased from her before and she has always just been a text away and ready to help with any info she can. Told me she knows of several that have used Adequan with good results, but I always like to know other things that can be used also, He is only a little bit over 3 1/4 lb and is 15 months old. She gave me a location that she knows some other show breeders have used if the scope is needed and what to look for and questions to ask.
I don't think there is any scientific evidence of this (Adequan). Purely anecdotal at this point. I honestly don't believe there is anything good to prevent the collapse. The only thing that can really is surgery and that does not have a high enough success rate for me to ever do it..

At this point that is all they have with Antinol...anecdotal reports. The problem with that is that these dogs' symptoms often wax and wane and people can be lulled into believing something worked because the symptoms may have decreased following dosing with the meds. I am pleased that they are considering a study with the Antinol.
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BTW what "scope" is this breeder talking about??
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