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07-18-2012, 04:52 AM | #1 |
Loved by Layla Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada
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| Sick morning tummy I am not sure if this is at all related to Layla's recovery, although she had this problem before surgery, just not nearly as often- maybe once a month. For the past three days she has been waking up with a very noise tummy, white gums and wanting nothing to eat, except grass which I am not letting her eat. I usually have to force feed her some apple sauce or yogurt to get her blood sugar back up and eventually she might eat a treat. Before her surgery this only happened if she had an off day eating and went to bed with an empty stomach. The night before last she ate at 9:30 so I know it isn't that. Should I be getting up around 3 to put food in her stomach? Does anyone know why it is happening so often now after surgery? She gets her Metacam whenever I can finally get her to eat in the mornings. |
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07-18-2012, 05:43 AM | #2 |
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| This doesn't sound good. Does your vet know what is going on? Technically white gums is an emergency. Even with hypo...it can be really serious. Adult dogs should not go hypo even if they had a bad eating day. My concern would be that this is happening in the middle of the night. If it is hypo, she could slip into a coma while you are sleeping. I'd give her vet a call today...
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07-18-2012, 05:55 AM | #3 |
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| It is possible the antibiotics are also upsetting her tummy, so it would help to keep something in her tummy so it doesn't become acidy.
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07-18-2012, 06:38 AM | #4 |
Loved by Layla Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada
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| The antibiotics were done yesterday. That could be it I suppose. Crystal- I do see what you are saying. The tummy issues are not something new to Layla. Sometimes she throws up bile but that hasn't happened in ages. I'm going to see what tomorrow brings. I really think it could be the antibiotics- I never thought about that. And I guess her gums aren't really white- they are more a light pink I guess. Perhaps I will call and just see what they say! |
07-18-2012, 06:41 AM | #5 |
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| One other question while I think about it. Layla has no interest in standing at all. Everything she does it is laying down or sitting- even eating. Her surgery was on the 9th- is this normal? |
07-18-2012, 07:53 AM | #6 |
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| Is she in pain when she stands up thats what I would be concerned about
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07-18-2012, 07:59 AM | #7 |
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| Sounds like Tibbe was since January of this year until he got very sick GI-wise in June. What does the vet say? How tall is she and what is her weight? What does she eat for regular food and how much of it does she eat? What treats do you give her every day and how often? What human tidbits of food does she get(be absolutely honest )?
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07-18-2012, 12:27 PM | #8 |
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| She doesn't seem to be in pain. When we go pee she is content to walk on it and sniff around but she quickly wants to come inside and lay back down. We go for a follow up visit on Monday. |
07-18-2012, 12:29 PM | #9 | |
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| I ended up having to go to Michigan today so I wasn't able to call and I think I'm going to see what tomorrow brings. These issues are not new for Layla. It is just the frequency that is abnormal. The issue is quickly remedied in about 5 min by getting some apple sauce in her- she is then quite happy to eat her treats I am hoping it is the antibiotics that were bothering her. She was getting one at night right before bed time so I'm think that is the culprit. If not, I will call tomorrow and see what they say. With my vet, I'm never able to actually talk to her- we woudl have to bring Lay in which drives me nuts because by the time I get her there she would be back to normal. Quote:
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07-18-2012, 12:31 PM | #10 |
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| What are you feeding her for food and what treats does she get? Does she ever get human food at all? It sounds like you need to find out why this is happening and you don't want her to keep being sick so you have to give apple sauce so you can get treats in her - you want to stop the morning problems. What is she taking in in the way of food and treats - before the antibiotics?
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07-18-2012, 12:41 PM | #11 | |
Loved by Layla Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada
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She eats turkey, potatoe and carrot or fish, peas and blueberries. Her treats are all low fat/natural. Her favs are pumpkin treats that I make at home- just pumpkin, rye flour and eggs. That's it! No human food at all. | |
07-18-2012, 01:15 PM | #12 | |
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When he got put on Prednisolone for what was perhaps an unobserved fall, his tummy really went south and he had lots of nausea, spitting up and all of the above all got worse. I'd been feeding him beef jerky treats in the late winter and that's when his spits ups seemed to start and then the reflux a month or two later so I stopped the treats altogether but still he was symptomatic a bit before the steroids. His lipase was high and then we checked him for pancreatitis. Vet said high lipase is normal for some dogs as long as liver enzymes are normal and all other values normal so he recommended changing Tibbe to one of the GI diets that wasn't too rich. They put him on Royal Canin GI which seemed to cause itching and not really help his tummy or stool, but when he was changed to Hill's GI I/D, that did the trick after a week or more. He was also treated with Pepcid for the reflux for a month. He was put on Fortiflora enzymes for 2 weeks also. Now he has no nausea, spits ups, no mucous-y diarrhea, no reflux, no reverse sneezing and I guess he's still got high lipase - we won't check it again until his next scheduled labs in the fall. It could be the food that is contributing to his tummy troubles since he was having the problem to a lesser extent before the antibiotics. Tibbe cannot tolerate blueberries at all. They always irritated his tummy, even before last winter's symptoms began. Most dogs can eat them but not Tibbe. But it could be that the berries or the other food he's on is what is causing the trouble he was having pre-antibiotic. When the antibiotics are stopped and if he's still having trouble, your vet might start him on a different type of food just to see if his present diet is causing the tummy trouble. Thing was with Tibbe, once he was started on the Pepcid and his Hill's begun, it took about a month before his tummy really settled down and his stools returned to normal with no other symptoms. He's back to acting normal again and eating well and no more spits ups, anorexia or reflux!
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07-18-2012, 01:21 PM | #13 |
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| When Muffin was on some antibiotics, they tore her stomach up and she wouldn't eat. She was old then. I got her to start eating again by giving her chicken broth with a dropper. That's how bad she got. That soothed her tummy and tasted really good to her, because she was really hungry. Some antibiotics are worse than others about causing tummy problems. Clindamycin is probably one of the worst for both humans and animals. I don't really know about all of the others. Anything with Ibuprofin in it usually causes the same issues.
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07-18-2012, 01:22 PM | #14 | |
Loved by Layla Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada
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However, I really did learn a lot reading your post. My vet also said that about lipase levels- some are just high- watch her for other symptoms. Layla has a sensitive system so I'm thinking it was the antibiotics. We'll see what happens over the next few days. We go for a follow up on Monday but if she has a noisy tummy tomorrow I"ll call her vet and see what they say. It isn't normal, but easily controlled thank goodness! | |
07-18-2012, 01:25 PM | #15 | |
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