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chandracz · 03-24-2011, 04:34 PM

Try crushing it up with a pill crusher and putting it in a tsp of pumpkin. Pumpkin will be the only ingredient. It also helps to settle the tummy.

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Originally Posted by Baby Princess

Hi Everyone! Thank you Sammy Mommy for your comment and prayers!

We were able to get the date of Princess Chloe's surgery and it is for 7/11. The reason it so far into the year is that they want her vertabrae bones to be fully grown, and of course there is a vet. conference going on and the majority of the neurosurgents will be gone the month of June.

We had to remove Princess Chloe's neck brace last night she couldn't breathe, and she woke up in the early AM with pain eventhou we had given her her meds two hours before. I guess it was the absence of the neck brace and she just hurt herself while asleep. Anyway, she slept in my arm until around 3am and I was able to put her into her kennel to sleep.

One of our angels told me about a suggestion that her vet had given her of using a styrofoam cup cut down the middle as a neck bracer. So we measured the styrofoam cup again the old neck bracer and it seem to have done the trip. When we got to UC Davis to have it changed the doctors took her away and 5 mins. later they returned with Princess Chloe and her styrofoam neck bracer. LOL The loved the idea and said it would do the trick, they took lots of pictures and sent us home.

Well, there's just one question I need to have you all give me advice. Princess Chloe's pain med. has a bitter after taste to it and we have to struggle with her to take it. I'm concerned that we may hurt her if we force it on her. We've tried giving her baby food after to remove the bitter taste, Nutri cal to neutralize the bitter after taste too. Med is Tramadol.

Does anyone have any recommendations?????

Well, that's all for now, Princess Chloe send kisses/licks and Me many thanks to all.

ladyjane · 03-24-2011, 06:28 PM

If you are talking about the liquid Tramadol, I seriously don't know what to tell you to do. It is awful tasting! I have never been able to get a pup to take that stuff. The problem is that many of the yorkies are too small for the tablets.
With the last pup who had spinal surgery, I ended up calling and changing her to tablets...it was difficult as I had to cut them in 1/8s.
If I were you, I would call them and tell them that she is not taking that med well. If they spit it out they are not getting the correct dose. That was the problem I had. Maybe they can give her something else....or maybe they have some magical way to get it down them.

gemy · 03-25-2011, 03:47 AM

I am so very happy you want to U Davis. It sounds like you have a great team of specialists there to help you and Princess.

Princess will be in my prayers.

Have a wonderful day,

Baby Princess · 03-25-2011, 05:37 AM

Thank you Gemy and Lady Jane for your replies and good wishes!

Princess Chloe is not taking the liquid med completely. As you mentioned Lady Jane is spitting it out. I had to give her 0.01ml of Tramadol liquid with can id food, baby food mixed together on top of the 0.25ml I had given her 3 hours earlier.

I am going to call the SPCA where her primary vet is and see if the pharmacy can give me pills, I have no problem cutting them to the precise amount. I'm also going to call a compound pharmacy to see if they can help me find a way to get it in pill form. I'm going to see if I can get the manufacture of the medicine today, and see what they recommend.

Princess Chloe's surgery has been schduled for 7/11/11 and she's so small, I won't let her go through pain until then, there has to be another way?

Naomi

Wylie's Mom · 03-25-2011, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Princess

Well, there's just one question I need to have you all give me advice. Princess Chloe's pain med. has a bitter after taste to it and we have to struggle with her to take it. I'm concerned that we may hurt her if we force it on her. We've tried giving her baby food after to remove the bitter taste, Nutri cal to neutralize the bitter after taste too. Med is Tramadol.

Does anyone have any recommendations?????

Sometimes I use bread for liquid meds (if I've forgotten to put it in their food). You can try tearing off a piece of bread, inject the liquid med onto the bread, ball the bread up/squish it into a smaller piece, and then smear the whole thing w/ some peanut butter or cheese or whatever. Mine will take the bread and liquid med as is....but thought I'd mention Pbutter in case it helps.

Hugs to Princess!

Baby Princess · 03-25-2011, 05:46 AM

God Bless You Ann!!!!!!!!

I'm going to try that idea as soon as she wakes up today, thank you!!!!!!

I'm going to give her little pieces of bread to see which one she likes. I hadn't really explored peanut butter with her since she was eating so well and I was using her kibble as treats. I'll try that and/or smooth velveta cheese. It shouldn't hurt her as long as I can get to take her meds.

Thank you so much for that suggestion! Many times we can see the forest because of the trees...

Princess Chloe send her kisses/licks and Me all my gratitude.

Bitsy · 03-25-2011, 05:56 AM

Sweet little baby girl! I'm so sorry she is in this much pain.

Ann's tip about bread and peanut butter is a great idea! Hope that works! Mine love peanut butter!

ladyjane · 03-25-2011, 06:17 AM

I will be very surprised if that trick works. I have tried everything in the past....that med is one of the absolute worst to give. I put it in everything imaginable. Recently Buffy's foster mom had the same problem and they did allow her to cut the tabs.
As for finding tablets for her...not going to happen.

This med is awful for the tinier yorkies.

kjc · 03-25-2011, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Princess

God Bless You Ann!!!!!!!!

I'm going to try that idea as soon as she wakes up today, thank you!!!!!!

I'm going to give her little pieces of bread to see which one she likes. I hadn't really explored peanut butter with her since she was eating so well and I was using her kibble as treats. I'll try that and/or smooth velveta cheese. It shouldn't hurt her as long as I can get to take her meds.

Thank you so much for that suggestion! Many times we can see the forest because of the trees...

Princess Chloe send her kisses/licks and Me all my gratitude.

Great idea!

I just want to suggest giving her something before you even try the medication, just incase her mouth may be dry. I noticed when medicating Tink she took all her meds much better if I give her a tiny taste of cheese, PB, or chicken baby food right before giving her the meds... and of course another taste without any meds afterwards, as a treat for being good.

Also keep in mind, after a while they get better at taking meds, with Tink now, nothing is any big deal, and it also helps for me to stay absolutely calm during the entire process. If I'm in a rush, I take a minute to calm myself down even before approaching her...

ladyjane · 03-25-2011, 06:52 AM

I know all of you mean well...but have you tasted that stuff? Seriously. ? I honestly don't know why they even prescribe it. I have had problems with it with three pups and another foster home had a problem with one. I have never had such an issue getting meds into pups.
I hope someone does come up with a solution....but honestly, the medicine is downright awful and it is notorious for being a problem.
I can tell you that I will NEVER use it again....waste of money imo.

lillymae · 03-25-2011, 08:51 AM

If you have a compounding pharmacist near you they can often compound it mixed with some flavor that your baby will like.

It is a bit more expensive but well worth it IMO .

chandracz · 03-25-2011, 08:57 AM

I didn't realize it was liquid...

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Originally Posted by lillymae

If you have a compounding pharmacist near you they can often compound it mixed with some flavor that your baby will like.

It is a bit more expensive but well worth it IMO .

ladyjane · 03-25-2011, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lillymae

If you have a compounding pharmacist near you they can often compound it mixed with some flavor that your baby will like.

It is a bit more expensive but well worth it IMO .

I have inquired about this and there is nothing that will make Tramadol palatable! This is not my first rodeo with this medication. I personally will never use it again for any of my pups.

Buster Brown · 03-25-2011, 04:13 PM

Sending prayers for Princess Chloe. Please help her mom find a way to get her to take the Tramadol. May her pain ease and may she be comfortable until they can perform the surgery. May God guide the surgeons hands and keep Princess safe.

lmperez · 03-25-2011, 05:06 PM

I always make a scrambled egg and add parmesan cheese. The chesse smell is so strong that most of the time it kiss the smell and taste of the meds.

03-24-2011, 06:28 PM	#137
ladyjane Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 27,490	If you are talking about the liquid Tramadol, I seriously don't know what to tell you to do. It is awful tasting! I have never been able to get a pup to take that stuff. The problem is that many of the yorkies are too small for the tablets. With the last pup who had spinal surgery, I ended up calling and changing her to tablets...it was difficult as I had to cut them in 1/8s. If I were you, I would call them and tell them that she is not taking that med well. If they spit it out they are not getting the correct dose. That was the problem I had. Maybe they can give her something else....or maybe they have some magical way to get it down them. __________________ CLOUD NINE BEDS--YORKIE HAVEN RESCUE MY ETSY SHOP

03-25-2011, 03:47 AM	#138
gemy YT 2000 Club Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Huntsville,Ont,Canaada Posts: 12,340 Blog Entries: 2	I am so very happy you want to U Davis. It sounds like you have a great team of specialists there to help you and Princess. Princess will be in my prayers. Have a wonderful day, __________________ Razzle and Dara. Our clan. RIP Karma Dec 24th 2004-July 14 2013 RIP Zoey Jun9 th 2008-May 12 2012. RIP Magic,Mar 26 2006July 1st 2018

03-25-2011, 05:56 AM	#142
Bitsy Ultimate Banner! Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: US Posts: 6,122	Sweet little baby girl! I'm so sorry she is in this much pain. Ann's tip about bread and peanut butter is a great idea! Hope that works! Mine love peanut butter! __________________ Bitsy loves Sophia and Peyton

03-25-2011, 06:17 AM	#143
ladyjane Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 27,490	I will be very surprised if that trick works. I have tried everything in the past....that med is one of the absolute worst to give. I put it in everything imaginable. Recently Buffy's foster mom had the same problem and they did allow her to cut the tabs. As for finding tablets for her...not going to happen. This med is awful for the tinier yorkies. __________________ CLOUD NINE BEDS--YORKIE HAVEN RESCUE MY ETSY SHOP

03-25-2011, 06:52 AM	#145
ladyjane Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 27,490	I know all of you mean well...but have you tasted that stuff? Seriously. ? I honestly don't know why they even prescribe it. I have had problems with it with three pups and another foster home had a problem with one. I have never had such an issue getting meds into pups. I hope someone does come up with a solution....but honestly, the medicine is downright awful and it is notorious for being a problem. I can tell you that I will NEVER use it again....waste of money imo. __________________ CLOUD NINE BEDS--YORKIE HAVEN RESCUE MY ETSY SHOP

03-25-2011, 05:37 AM	#139
Baby Princess Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 83 Blog Entries: 1	Thank you Gemy and Lady Jane for your replies and good wishes! Princess Chloe is not taking the liquid med completely. As you mentioned Lady Jane is spitting it out. I had to give her 0.01ml of Tramadol liquid with can id food, baby food mixed together on top of the 0.25ml I had given her 3 hours earlier. I am going to call the SPCA where her primary vet is and see if the pharmacy can give me pills, I have no problem cutting them to the precise amount. I'm also going to call a compound pharmacy to see if they can help me find a way to get it in pill form. I'm going to see if I can get the manufacture of the medicine today, and see what they recommend. Princess Chloe's surgery has been schduled for 7/11/11 and she's so small, I won't let her go through pain until then, there has to be another way? Naomi

03-25-2011, 05:46 AM	#141
Baby Princess Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 83 Blog Entries: 1	God Bless You Ann!!!!!!!! I'm going to try that idea as soon as she wakes up today, thank you!!!!!! I'm going to give her little pieces of bread to see which one she likes. I hadn't really explored peanut butter with her since she was eating so well and I was using her kibble as treats. I'll try that and/or smooth velveta cheese. It shouldn't hurt her as long as I can get to take her meds. Thank you so much for that suggestion! Many times we can see the forest because of the trees... Princess Chloe send her kisses/licks and Me all my gratitude.

03-25-2011, 08:51 AM	#146
lillymae YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,544	If you have a compounding pharmacist near you they can often compound it mixed with some flavor that your baby will like. It is a bit more expensive but well worth it IMO .

03-25-2011, 04:13 PM	#149
Buster Brown Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Toluca Lake, CA Posts: 5,491	Sending prayers for Princess Chloe. Please help her mom find a way to get her to take the Tramadol. May her pain ease and may she be comfortable until they can perform the surgery. May God guide the surgeons hands and keep Princess safe. __________________ CarolynBuster Brown "The happiest people don't have the best of everything, they just make the best of everything."

03-25-2011, 05:06 PM	#150
lmperez YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USA Posts: 600	I always make a scrambled egg and add parmesan cheese. The chesse smell is so strong that most of the time it kiss the smell and taste of the meds.