Hearbroken, Devastated, Scared - New Puppy

[hugz4all4]

Originally Posted by AllDogBoots

That was the first paragraph only

Im sorry that communication with the breeder has been this way.. to blame Max's problems on your other dog is just wrong. Im happy to hear that his first round of blood work came out good and will continue to keep him in my thoughts and prayers..


when looking at one of the videos you posted.. looks just like how my sheltie toby siezes... he does the exact same thing. He licks his mouth, stares, then shakes, then he is done. He does stare "into space" sometimes when he is done, others he has came right out of them and needed to go outside.. the only difference is, is that I havent been able to stop his.. his dont last long either and within a few minutes he is back to his normal self.. his came on from a nasty bump to the head, (he fell on my hard wood floor, while jumping around with my beagle) and they are controlled with pheno.. is there anyway your vet can check for seizures regardless of his age?? I would be super concerned with how often he is having these episodes.. are they getting more frequent or less???
like I said before, I will continue to keep him in my thoughts and prayers.. ((hug))

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Ringo1

Lucy's bloodwork was absolutely fine until we did the BAT's. Liver enzymes, etc were all normal. No one was more surprised than my Vet when her BAT's were elevated.

Dogs with neurological involvement due to a single shunt (as opposed to an MVD situation) are likely to have ALT through the roof along with other elevated liver enzymes. BATs are not reliable in a dog this young from what I have understood from Daisy's internists over the years.

[AllDogBoots]

Originally Posted by 107barney

Dogs with neurological involvement due to a single shunt (as opposed to an MVD situation) are likely to have ALT through the roof along with other elevated liver enzymes. BATs are not reliable in a dog this young from what I have understood from Daisy's internists over the years.

I hear they may not be reliable but i guess i have to go through this process. I don't know what else.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by AllDogBoots

I hear they may not be reliable but i guess i have to go through this process. I don't know what else.

I think it is in Karen's best interests now, to just not post about breeder etc, for us not to speculate on rationale, for or against.

May I remind everyone this is a public forum, what |Cooper did or didn't do, what Sentinel did or didn't do, what the breeder's thoughts or opinions are, are moot points, and best not discussed in this venue.

Our focus is on Karen and Max and finding out what is troubling him

[107barney]

Originally Posted by AllDogBoots

I hear they may not be reliable but i guess i have to go through this process. I don't know what else.

Yes I agree - I'd do BATs too - even if not reliable, just because you never know. And maybe this would give some sort of baseline for liver function for something other than a shunt - I don't know but an internist would. My point was that in a dog with neurological involvement, due to a single PSS, you would see other indications on the blood work. I think MVD is different.

Teddy tremors all the time - he kind of has the opposite problem as Max - Teddy tremors when he is concentrating or playing or focused - his vet thinks it is intention tremors (noted in the Yorkshire Terrier and especially in related dogs breeds, but not a very common thing in the Yorkie). We havent confirmed it with a neurology consult yet, but Teddy shook like this, had two seizures, and we noted it at 10 weeks old and continuing.

I have to say that AAI and Chiari don't come to my mind either seeing the video.

One step at a time is all you can do.

[AllDogBoots]

Originally Posted by gemy

I think it is in Karen's best interests now, to just not post about breeder etc, for us not to speculate on rationale, for or against.

May I remind everyone this is a public forum, what |Cooper did or didn't do, what Sentinel did or didn't do, what the breeder's thoughts or opinions are, are moot points, and best not discussed in this venue.

Our focus is on Karen and Max and finding out what is troubling him

Good idea. I didn't get the BAT test results yet. I'll follow up somehow with LSU on Monday, whether its a regular appointment or a neurologist. I'll work on getting as many videos as possible in the meantime. I'm sure though that Max will perform anyway for them when we get there.

Does anyone have any idea what the cost of a canine neurologist can run me?

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Haven't read through all of the responses yet, but if it were a seizure you would not be able to stop it.

The fact that you can snap him out and then cause one by making him lie still is very interesting clinically- in my mind it would rule out toxins.

A focal seizure btw, means that the seizure is focused or limited to one area (such as a particular limb) versus being generalized over the entire body.

Also, seizures, even focal ones, tend to be followed something called a postictal state- the pup either goes to sleep or appears disoriented afterwards.

You are making some great observations!

This is not correct, There are many diff types of seizures and some you can control . When he is playing his fluids are pumping at a much faster rate (blood, spinal fluide ) If he has Chiari or AAI the fluide goes into the brain faster then it comes out. When the dog stops the play and all fluids slow the fluide can escape without building up because the whole system slows down.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by gemy

I think it is in Karen's best interests now, to just not post about breeder etc, for us not to speculate on rationale, for or against.

May I remind everyone this is a public forum, what |Cooper did or didn't do, what Sentinel did or didn't do, what the breeder's thoughts or opinions are, are moot points, and best not discussed in this venue.

Our focus is on Karen and Max and finding out what is troubling him

I think Karen should decide what she wants to discuss on her thread and what she doesn't.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by AllDogBoots

Good idea. I didn't get the BAT test results yet. I'll follow up somehow with LSU on Monday, whether its a regular appointment or a neurologist. I'll work on getting as many videos as possible in the meantime. I'm sure though that Max will perform anyway for them when we get there.

Does anyone have any idea what the cost of a canine neurologist can run me?

In Boston it's about $250

[AllDogBoots]

Originally Posted by 107barney

I think Karen should decide what she wants to discuss on her thread and what she doesn't.

anything up for discussion. Just no arguing or bashing.

Originally Posted by 107barney

In Boston it's about $250

Thanks.

I mentioned earlier that I thought the episodes were becoming more frequent. I'm not totally sure. This morning was frequent but he's been pretty good all day.

[ladyjane]

A consult with a neurologist can be anywhere from approximately $150 to $250. It is the tests they usually need to do that can run up the bills; but, that is jumping the gun at this point. No one knows what may or may not need to be done.

[lillymae]

Have they done an X-ray of his neck ? If not I would recommend that as the next step as it's the next cheapest thing and will tell if he has AAI and what you describe here can deff happen with AAI.

[AllDogBoots]

Originally Posted by lillymae

Have they done an X-ray of his neck ? If not I would recommend that as the next step as it's the next cheapest thing and will tell if he has AAI and what you describe here can deff happen with AAI.

My vet mentioned that yesterday but was in and out of surgery all day and with everything else going on I'm embarrassed to say I forgot to pursue it.

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by AllDogBoots

My vet mentioned that yesterday but was in and out of surgery all day and with everything else going on I'm embarrassed to say I forgot to pursue it.

I know this is very stressfull for you , but I would not be letting him rough house with your other dog till you have ruled out AAI. And better safe then sorry.

[AllDogBoots]

Originally Posted by lillymae

I know this is very stressfull for you , but I would not be letting him rough house with your other dog till you have ruled out AAI. And better safe then sorry.

yes, i know.