Roxy is sick, either Pancreatitis or Disc Issue

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by TLC

M has anti immflam in it. T doesn't it only is a pain killer, so vet said would mask it...

She has been perfect, until this morning, she was stiff, wobbly, soft walking around. Same as I saw her walk last week. Tj wanted to play with her and she would try to play back, but she wasn't normal. An hour later she pooped and her stiff wooble walk got 50% better, but I could see she was still bothered, so I got ready quick and here we are at the vet again

your call but doesn't she have liver issues? DD had some issues this past weekend thursday night started lifting front left paw then left back leg was off - it was like her whole left side was out of align. Rested her and she is totally fine now. She was a little sore friday and saturday and by sunday fine. It was all after the smoke detector incident so not sure what happened as it was chaotic that night.

are you sure this is not spine related? When you say wobbly how so? Do you notice it in her legs?

You are correct tramadol is for pain only and metacam has anti-inflammatory in it and tramadol does not. I am ok with just giving for pain as the inflammation will go down if you rest them. So if pain is your concern tramadol will work for that.

If you do the nsaids any vomitting or diarrhea stop immediately and give mid meal to be safest.

[Ellie May]

Oh gosh. If she doesn't start getting better, could you just go back to her LP surgeon?

[TLC]

I think it's chicken. Forgot I boiled TJs chicken last night (2 times I boil it). Was putting it away and gave them each a tiny tiny piece.

Cpl test came back neg. He showed it to me. One dot was dark blue and the other dot was medium blue

we are home now and she ate fine. I am not putting the shredded reduced fat Colby/Jack cheese on her food any more. I put the famondine pill in her food, gave her the metro and she is stalking me for my cereal.

She seems a lot better. She is walking around ok. But just made her trot or walk faster to me for a cherrio and she has a slight limp, not sure whic side or even if it's front or back

holding off on pain meds for right now. I would like to see if she gets better just from the S and F

I am going to stay home today with her

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by TLC

I think it's chicken. Forgot I boiled TJs chicken last night (2 times I boil it). Was putting it away and gave them each a tiny tiny piece.

Cpl test came back neg. He showed it to me. One dot was dark blue and the other dot was medium blue

we are home now and she ate fine. I am not putting the shredded reduced fat Colby/Jack cheese on her food any more. I put the famondine pill in her food, gave her the metro and she is stalking me for my cereal.

She seems a lot better. She is walking around ok. But just made her trot or walk faster to me for a cherrio and she has a slight limp, not sure whic side or even if it's front or back

holding off on pain meds for right now. I would like to see if she gets better just from the S and F

I am going to stay home today with her

good idea keep an eye on her - glad the tummy is doing better - famotidine is best given a couple hours before food though as just looked it up in dex records from hospital and it says - The medication works best when given a few hours before a meal (greater suppression of acid secretion) This is from IMS.

so bummed - how old is she? DD will be 6 next month and just wondering if arthritis starts to set in at that young of age

Glad it was not pancreatitis as really did not think she was exhibitng those symptoms

[TLC]

Her bloodwork if perfect, liver emz are completey normal. So right now, only her post bat is high (60 to 85) range. So I don't know what to do if she needs meds for LP - could she benefit from the anti immflam in Metcamp? Or why risk and just go for the T??? IDK

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by TLC

Her bloodwork if perfect, liver emz are completey normal. So right now, only her post bat is high (60 to 85) range. So I don't know what to do if she needs meds for LP - could she benefit from the anti immflam in Metcamp? Or why risk and just go for the T??? IDK

yeah I know it is always a toss up just trust your gut. DD is on temarilp so I would go to tramadol myself as she has anti-inflammatory in the steroids already. How long has she been limping around as if more than a couple days you may want to give her relief. My only thing is if she is having stomach issues too then tramadol might be the way to go as nsaids will upset her tummy as well

Have you ever given her an nsaid like metacam, rimadyl or deramaxx before?

[TLC]

The sucralfare I have to give 30 mins before food. Vet said to give the Famotidine w/food. But I will call to double check. My gut is telling me stomach/gi/gas bc she was so obvious this morning, then she pooped and she was 50% better. Now 3 hours later, and having the S and F and M she is like 90% better

I just don't know if I would see all this improvement if it was LP arthritis???

She will be 6 in. Nov

[Ellie May]

I'd hesitate very much to give NSAIDs to a symptomatic liver compromised dog. And if I remember right, she didn't have neuro symptoms, but she do have other symptoms. Can you talk to her specialist (the one who did the U/S) about this?

The anti-inflammatory may be needed, so I won't say not to use it. There may be other others though.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by TLC

The sucralfare I have to give 30 mins before food. Vet said to give the Famotidine w/food. But I will call to double check. My gut is telling me stomach/gi/gas bc she was so obvious this morning, then she pooped and she was 50% better. Now 3 hours later, and having the S and F and M she is like 90% better

I just don't know if I would see all this improvement if it was LP arthritis???

She will be 6 in. Nov

interesting as dd has the LP and she is exhibiting some issues this past week and she is about the same age. I am going to check on when arthritis usually affects toy breeds as i know it is going to at some point with LP and her being on steroids.

I agree if she is feeling much better after meds probably not the LP trust your gut and watch the signs.

sulcrulfate (carafate) - ok just read notes from ims on sulcrulfate and dex weighed about 9lbs then - 1/4 tab (250mg) orally as a water slurry 3xs a day - remember that this medication should IDEALLY be separated from other foods or medications by 1-2hrs is what the ims said for dex.

At this hospital they have a girl Michelle who is awesome and all she does is handle medication - she is the expert there on all meds so I always call her as well as she is very sharp.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

I'd hesitate very much to give NSAIDs to a symptomatic liver compromised dog. And if I remember right, she didn't have neuro symptoms, but she do have other symptoms. Can you talk to her specialist (the one who did the U/S) about this?

The anti-inflammatory may be needed, so I won't say not to use it. There may be other others though.

I agree

TLC what did olga say about nsaids? My guess is she would be against it too

C do you know at what age arthritis starts kicking in?

[TLC]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

I'd hesitate very much to give NSAIDs to a symptomatic liver compromised dog. And if I remember right, she didn't have neuro symptoms, but she do have other symptoms. Can you talk to her specialist (the one who did the U/S) about this?

The anti-inflammatory may be needed, so I won't say not to use it. There may be other others though.

Yes, if she doesn't get better and we feel this is LP arthritis, I will go back to her Ortho Vet for the pain meds.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by TLC

Yes, if she doesn't get better and we feel this is LP arthritis, I will go back to her Ortho Vet for the pain meds.

did she have LP surgery? sorry I do not remember about her having lp issues

[Ellie May]

The makers of NSAIDs for pups make it very clear that they are not okay for liver ocmpromised dogs. They should only be given if your vet thinks it is absolutely necessary. When in doubt, ask the internist.

The limping is throwing me, but it sounds intestinal to me. It sounds like she is filing with gas and then feels better after gas relief is given. The question is why? I think if it continues, you may need to see a specialist who can figure it out b/c being gassy and bloated is not at all healthy and I would just hope it doesn't turn into something more serious.

Has she been diagnosed with IBD? No, right?

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by dwerten

I agree

TLC what did olga say about nsaids? My guess is she would be against it too

C do you know at what age arthritis starts kicking in?

Nope.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

The makers of NSAIDs for pups make it very clear that they are not okay for liver ocmpromised dogs. They should only be given if your vet thinks it is absolutely necessary. When in doubt, ask the internist.

The limping is throwing me, but it sounds intestinal to me. It sounds like she is filing with gas and then feels better after gas relief is given. The question is why? I think if it continues, you may need to see a specialist who can figure it out b/c being gassy and bloated is not at all healthy and I would just hope it doesn't turn into something more serious.

Has she been diagnosed with IBD? No, right?

totally agree but could be diet related and stress related as she was gone and sometimes they get stressed. Demi my healthy one had blood in stool one time when dh was gone for two weeks - did all the fecals and nothing. I think sometimes they can get off balance when stressed too.

The limping is throwing me too but maybe she has a few things going on poor baby