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Ellie May · 06-09-2010, 07:25 AM

I think it's an individual decision between client and vet.

Most groomers and vets require it. Some do not.
That's kinda like a hospital requiring the flu shots for patients...

There are certain situations where I would consider giving it, but I won't tell somebody else that they should. And for the most part, I'd decide against it. A dog with kennel ccough can also be put on antibiotics.

But this is coming from somebody with one dog. No grooming or boarding. Vets office has isolation and they are careful. I do take her to dog events, etc., but ususally carry her. Never had a problem in eight years.

Ellie May · 06-09-2010, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

I think it's an individual decision between client and vet.

Most groomers and vets require it. Some do not.
That's kinda like a hospital requiring the flu shots for patients...

There are certain situations where I would consider giving it, but I won't tell somebody else that they should. And for the most part, I'd decide against it. A dog with kennel ccough can also be put on antibiotics.

But this is coming from somebody with one dog. No grooming or boarding. Vets office has isolation and they are careful. I do take her to dog events, etc., but ususally carry her. Never had a problem in eight years.

ETA: Antibiotics not to stop the kennel cough but to try and prevent pneumonia.

dwerten · 06-09-2010, 09:03 AM

If the dog had kennel cough when coming to you then by them vaccinating for it this could cause kennel cough to get worse. This is why vaccines should not be given to dogs if under stress or not completely healthy as you are inviting disease by adding into an unbalanced body. I think this is why your dog got this as respiratory infection is kennel cough and why dogs can get it when given the vaccine like in your dogs case.

Next time when vaccinating make sure to do it when your dog is 100% healthy. Also bordatella is one of those things that the vaccine does not cover all strains and easy to treat if they get it so if your dog is not going to dog parks, groomers, etc then I personally would not do it. I have not done this for 4 years but I have a groomer that comes to my home and I do not board my dogs nor go to dog parks.

Lifestyle and area has a lot to do with what vaccinations to use

Please read this vaccination thread to learn a lot about it in toy breeds and discuss with your vet as well. It is up to us to be on top of this as vets usually do not educate you about this stuff and it is up to pet owners to ask questions when it comes to vaccinating their dog.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...oing-them.html

I would never do the shot as my parents silky got the shot and he was 7 and never was sick and got a viral infection vomiting blood and bloody diarrhea and was on iv fluids for a week so my dad will no longer vaccinate him. He had always had intranasal prior and that was the first time he had the shot. Shots last a year and intranasal 6 mos so whenever something last longer it is much stronger just like antibiotic shots are much stronger than pills and they are much faster acting than pill form.

Nancy1999 just wanted to let you know this as dex was given intranasal when he was sick with pancreatitis before I took him to hospital and they said to me WHAT WAS THE VET THINKING GIVING THIS DOG A BORDATELLA VACCINE WHEN HE IS SICK. They were furious and said they should have never done that so I think they would have taken him even if he did not have that.

A vet tech on our malt group whose both parents are vets does not do bordatella and she is very sharp so when I read that as I highly respect her I felt comfortable with my decision. She said it is easily treated as it is obvious when it happens you give antibiotics and the dog does not end up getting pneumonia. I think when owners are not fast acting when dog starts to cough is when you run into problems with pneumonia. So I agree with Chachi. If a show dog then I probably would do it.

There is a risk to bordatella vaccine intranasal as lillymae on here will attest to as she had a dog with issues due to this intranasal as it affects the mucus membranes in the dogs nose so it can cause problems. No vaccine or medication is without risk.

dwerten · 06-09-2010, 09:04 AM

It is whether that risk out weighs the gain when doing these things which depends on lifestyle and area.

Sneezing and coughing are a sign of kennel cough . There is an incubation period as chachi said and the dog might have had a little bit of it when you got him that he may have been able to fight off but by adding that vaccine it sent him over the edge. The body can fight off a lot of things naturally but if you over tax the body it can send it in a tail spin so I blame the vaccine on this one.

This is why I always say VACCINATE HEALTHY DOGS ONLY. It says right on these vaccine bottles FOR HEALTHY DOGS ONLY. If you vaccinate a dog that is not healthy you may be dealing with more health issues.

Wylie's Mom · 06-09-2010, 09:24 AM

Another thing to keep in mind when considering the Bordetella vaccine is the fact that the vaccine only covers about 30% of the potential strains.

An analogy is the flu shot. Just because you get a flu shot, it does not mean you won't get the flu. It only means that you have been vaccinated against certain strains.

Here is a nice overview of Bordetella/Kennel Cough: Kennel Cough - VeterinaryPartner.com

dwerten · 06-09-2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Another thing to keep in mind when considering the Bordetella vaccine is the fact that the vaccine only covers about 30% of the potential strains.

An analogy is the flu shot. Just because you get a flu shot, it does not mean you won't get the flu. It only means that you have been vaccinated against certain strains.

Here is a nice overview of Bordetella/Kennel Cough: Kennel Cough - VeterinaryPartner.com

yep 100% agree as they are finding that dogs in kennel situations are still getting kennel cough even once vaccinated as there are other strains not covered just like with lepto.

SID · 06-11-2010, 11:44 AM

BTW everyone Jameson seems to be feeling sooo much better. Thank you all so much for your input. I love this site!

dwerten · 06-11-2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SID

BTW everyone Jameson seems to be feeling sooo much better. Thank you all so much for your input. I love this site!

so happy that is great

Just do your homework before the next round

06-09-2010, 07:25 AM	#16
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	I think it's an individual decision between client and vet. Most groomers and vets require it. Some do not. That's kinda like a hospital requiring the flu shots for patients... There are certain situations where I would consider giving it, but I won't tell somebody else that they should. And for the most part, I'd decide against it. A dog with kennel ccough can also be put on antibiotics. But this is coming from somebody with one dog. No grooming or boarding. Vets office has isolation and they are careful. I do take her to dog events, etc., but ususally carry her. Never had a problem in eight years. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

06-09-2010, 09:24 AM	#20
Wylie's Mom Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 35,889 Blog Entries: 2	Another thing to keep in mind when considering the Bordetella vaccine is the fact that the vaccine only covers about 30% of the potential strains. An analogy is the flu shot. Just because you get a flu shot, it does not mean you won't get the flu. It only means that you have been vaccinated against certain strains. Here is a nice overview of Bordetella/Kennel Cough: Kennel Cough - VeterinaryPartner.com __________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann \| Pfeiffer \| Marcel Verdel Purcell \| Wylie \| Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨°

06-11-2010, 11:44 AM	#22
SID Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 17	BTW everyone Jameson seems to be feeling sooo much better. Thank you all so much for your input. I love this site! __________________ Our little family of 4: StephanieAndrew, Catrick Swayze & Jameson

06-09-2010, 09:03 AM	#18
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	If the dog had kennel cough when coming to you then by them vaccinating for it this could cause kennel cough to get worse. This is why vaccines should not be given to dogs if under stress or not completely healthy as you are inviting disease by adding into an unbalanced body. I think this is why your dog got this as respiratory infection is kennel cough and why dogs can get it when given the vaccine like in your dogs case. Next time when vaccinating make sure to do it when your dog is 100% healthy. Also bordatella is one of those things that the vaccine does not cover all strains and easy to treat if they get it so if your dog is not going to dog parks, groomers, etc then I personally would not do it. I have not done this for 4 years but I have a groomer that comes to my home and I do not board my dogs nor go to dog parks. Lifestyle and area has a lot to do with what vaccinations to use Please read this vaccination thread to learn a lot about it in toy breeds and discuss with your vet as well. It is up to us to be on top of this as vets usually do not educate you about this stuff and it is up to pet owners to ask questions when it comes to vaccinating their dog. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...oing-them.html I would never do the shot as my parents silky got the shot and he was 7 and never was sick and got a viral infection vomiting blood and bloody diarrhea and was on iv fluids for a week so my dad will no longer vaccinate him. He had always had intranasal prior and that was the first time he had the shot. Shots last a year and intranasal 6 mos so whenever something last longer it is much stronger just like antibiotic shots are much stronger than pills and they are much faster acting than pill form. Nancy1999 just wanted to let you know this as dex was given intranasal when he was sick with pancreatitis before I took him to hospital and they said to me WHAT WAS THE VET THINKING GIVING THIS DOG A BORDATELLA VACCINE WHEN HE IS SICK. They were furious and said they should have never done that so I think they would have taken him even if he did not have that. A vet tech on our malt group whose both parents are vets does not do bordatella and she is very sharp so when I read that as I highly respect her I felt comfortable with my decision. She said it is easily treated as it is obvious when it happens you give antibiotics and the dog does not end up getting pneumonia. I think when owners are not fast acting when dog starts to cough is when you run into problems with pneumonia. So I agree with Chachi. If a show dog then I probably would do it. There is a risk to bordatella vaccine intranasal as lillymae on here will attest to as she had a dog with issues due to this intranasal as it affects the mucus membranes in the dogs nose so it can cause problems. No vaccine or medication is without risk.

06-09-2010, 09:04 AM	#19
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	It is whether that risk out weighs the gain when doing these things which depends on lifestyle and area. Sneezing and coughing are a sign of kennel cough . There is an incubation period as chachi said and the dog might have had a little bit of it when you got him that he may have been able to fight off but by adding that vaccine it sent him over the edge. The body can fight off a lot of things naturally but if you over tax the body it can send it in a tail spin so I blame the vaccine on this one. This is why I always say VACCINATE HEALTHY DOGS ONLY. It says right on these vaccine bottles FOR HEALTHY DOGS ONLY. If you vaccinate a dog that is not healthy you may be dealing with more health issues.