liver issues

[kjc]

Originally Posted by dwerten

here it is

J Lipid Res. 1980 Nov;21(8):1082-9.
Red cell cholesterol enrichment and spur cell anemia in dogs fed a cholesterol-enriched atherogenic diet.
Cooper RA, Leslie MH, Knight D, Detweiler DK.
A diet supplemented with cholesterol and coconut oil is atherogenic in dogs. The purpose of the present study was to examine the effects of this diet on red cells in pure-bred beagles and greyhounds. Within 3 days after the initiation of this diet red cell cholesterol/phospholipid increased and membrane fluidity decreased, with maximum changes attained by 12 weeks. Serum lipoprotein cholesterol/phospholipid also increased, and serum from cholesterol-fed dogs transferred cholesterol to normal red cells. Significant abnormalities of liver function developed in all cholesterol-fed dogs. Hematocrit declined beginning at 6 weeks, with a parallel increase in osmotic fragility. Reticulocytes were elevated in beagles but normal in greyhounds. Red cell morphology resembled acanthocytes or spur cells. All red cell parameters returned to normal within 4 weeks after stopping the diet. These studies demonstrate that a cholestrol-enriched, atherogenic diet causes profound and reversible changes in the lipid composition, membrane fluidity, and morphology of red cells in dogs.

Deb,
Sorry, I have to throw this out. This was not a study on Coconut oil, as they stated they added 'cholesterol and Coconut oil' to to make a cholesterol-enriched atherogenic (artery-hardening) diet, and that could mean anything as they do not state any amounts. They could have added a cup of pure cholesterol and a drop of Coconut oil.

We know that adding cholesterol to a diet isn't good. I would be curious to see the results if they only added Coconut oil to a normal diet.

The worse effect on Beagles than on Greyhounds interests me and tells me too that different breeds of dogs may be affected differently.

As I have a natural curiosity to investigate anything that does not make sense to me, I will have bloodwork done on my dogs to see if any changes are evident.

Originally Posted by 107barney

I have been giving Barney the Nordic Naturals Omega 3 supplement (1 capsule per day) with dinner. He is doing great on it. Barney got over the near death pancreatitis (caused from eating commercial dog food) in late March.

However, I will add one caveat. BARNEY DOES NOT EAT ANY COMMERCIAL DOG FOOD at this time. He eats a 3% fat home cooked diet and to that I am adding the omega-3.

The therapeutic dose for omega-3 for my particular dogs is one capsule every day (not every other day as the bottle had suggested).

I like fish oils better than coconut oil and we see a better overall clinical picture for our dogs with fish oils than with coconut.

I use both Alaskan Wild Salmon Oil and Coconut oil and/or Coconut Milk. And some benefits of Coconut oil:

Relieves stress on pancreas and enzyme systems of the body.
Reduces symptoms associated with pancreatitis.
Improves digestion and bowel function.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by kjc

Deb,
Sorry, I have to throw this out. This was not a study on Coconut oil, as they stated they added 'cholesterol and Coconut oil' to to make a cholesterol-enriched atherogenic (artery-hardening) diet, and that could mean anything as they do not state any amounts. They could have added a cup of pure cholesterol and a drop of Coconut oil.

We know that adding cholesterol to a diet isn't good. I would be curious to see the results if they only added Coconut oil to a normal diet.

The worse effect on Beagles than on Greyhounds interests me and tells me too that different breeds of dogs may be affected differently.

As I have a natural curiosity to investigate anything that does not make sense to me, I will have bloodwork done on my dogs to see if any changes are evident.




I use both Alaskan Wild Salmon Oil and Coconut oil and/or Coconut Milk. And some benefits of Coconut oil:

Relieves stress on pancreas and enzyme systems of the body.
Reduces symptoms associated with pancreatitis.
Improves digestion and bowel function.

YOU ROCK can you look the study up as I have the reference number for it as this is why I stopped giving my dd coconut oil as she scared me and she does a ton of research this girl who posted it. I definitely notice a difference in dd since stopping it and I had 2 years I think of blood work on dd no RBC increase at all or cholesterol so derm and jean told me keep giving it but i was too scared and wow this past year was a nightmare so I added back probiotics separately by itself and she is a little better but she was much better on both so after blood work I will add back in coconut oil. I was giving a 1/4 tsp daily after food in am.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by dwerten

YOU ROCK can you look the study up as I have the reference number for it as this is why I stopped giving my dd coconut oil as she scared me and she does a ton of research this girl who posted it. I definitely notice a difference in dd since stopping it and I had 2 years I think of blood work on dd no RBC increase at all or cholesterol so derm and jean told me keep giving it but i was too scared and wow this past year was a nightmare so I added back probiotics separately by itself and she is a little better but she was much better on both so after blood work I will add back in coconut oil. I was giving a 1/4 tsp daily after food in am.

When I started my dogs on it, I gave them 1/16 tsp, and mixed it in with their food twice a day, and gradually increased it from there. Now, they get 1/4 tsp 2X / Day. Did you see on the benefits I posted, it gets rid of worms and giardia! I love this stuff. My 13 year old is bouncing around like a puppy!

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by kjc

When I started my dogs on it, I gave them 1/16 tsp, and mixed it in with their food twice a day, and gradually increased it from there. Now, they get 1/4 tsp 2X / Day. Did you see on the benefits I posted, it gets rid of worms and giardia! I love this stuff. My 13 year old is bouncing around like a puppy!

yeah I know it is antibacterial and antifungal for sure as dd never had staph infections with all her allergies until i took her off this and probiotics - makes me so mad I stopped. The only thing i noticed is she did have some excretion to her skin at times but not sure if it was from that or her thyroid issue. Her coat was nice too and now it is not as nice

[ally173]

Originally Posted by kjc

When I started my dogs on it, I gave them 1/16 tsp, and mixed it in with their food twice a day, and gradually increased it from there. Now, they get 1/4 tsp 2X / Day. Did you see on the benefits I posted, it gets rid of worms and giardia! I love this stuff. My 13 year old is bouncing around like a puppy!

does your dog have IBD or any GI issues; i used to give ava coconut oil before but didn't help her. i am wondering if it works for ibd dogs. thanks

[kjc]

Originally Posted by dwerten

yeah I know it is antibacterial and antifungal for sure as dd never had staph infections with all her allergies until i took her off this and probiotics - makes me so mad I stopped. The only thing i noticed is she did have some excretion to her skin at times but not sure if it was from that or her thyroid issue. Her coat was nice too and now it is not as nice

Was this while she was on Coconut oil? Was it her entire skin or in specific areas? The Coconut oil may help a thyroid problem.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by kjc

Was this while she was on Coconut oil? Was it her entire skin or in specific areas? The Coconut oil may help a thyroid problem.

it was her back the skin had a greasy layer and yes it was while on coconut oil and now she does not have it but skin is dryer than it was before.

I wanted to do kelp supplement as high in iodine when she was first diagnosed but jean said no bc of her allergies was not a good idea

[kjc]

Originally Posted by ally173

does your dog have IBD or any GI issues; i used to give ava coconut oil before but didn't help her. i am wondering if it works for ibd dogs. thanks

One of mine has LS, and I had trouble getting her to gain weight, along with getting her on a diet to at least maintain and hopefully improve her liver function. And bc of these specific benefits of coconut oil:

Improves digestion and absorption of other nutrients including vitamins, minerals, and amino acids.

Relieves stress on pancreas and enzyme systems of the body.

Reduces symptoms associated with pancreatitis.

Reduces problems associated with malabsorption syndrome and cystic fibrosis.

Improves calcium and magnesium absorption and supports the development of strong bones and teeth.

Helps relieve symptoms associated with gallbladder disease.

Relieves symptoms associated with Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, and stomach ulcers.

Improves digestion and bowel function.

Reduces inflammation.

Supports tissue healing and repair.

Supports and aids immune system function.

Helps protect the body from breast, colon, and other cancers.

Protects arteries from injury that causes atherosclerosis and thus protects against heart disease.

Helps prevent periodontal disease and tooth decay.

Functions as a protective antioxidant.

Helps to protect the body from harmful free radicals that promote premature aging and degenerative disease.

Improves utilization of essential fatty acids and protects them from oxidation.

Helps protect against kidney disease and bladder infections.

I feel that anything that may help her is worth doing. My goal is to get her as healthy as possible prior to her having surgery, if needed.

And one has CT, so Coconut oil should help him also.

One has skin problems, and chronic ear problems which have improved since she has been taking the coconut oil in her diet and topically on her ears.

The fourth pup is on it for preventative measures.

And I also give it and use it topically on my 3 cats, and DH and I have started taking it, and using it topically. DH has very bad psoriasis and it's the only thing that has helped him, as he has tried just about everything (prescriptions) from his docs, of which nothing has helped.

[dwerten]

for psoriasis and eczema has your hubby tried murphy's oil soap as i have read that works great too.

I have used coconut oil for hot spots for years now on dd and it is truly amazing how fast it heals her

[ally173]

many people and her vet recommended fish oil; so i ordered the nordic natural omega 3 pet;
i know reading up on coconut oil sounds really great and it is great; but i used to give it to her in the past and it didnt make any difference.
although her food now purina en contains coconut oil; so i dont think it will be a good idea to add more to her diet.
maybe i will just try the omega 3 for now.
so many things can get so overwhleming

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ally173

many people and her vet recommended fish oil; so i ordered the nordic natural omega 3 pet;
i know reading up on coconut oil sounds really great and it is great; but i used to give it to her in the past and it didnt make any difference.
although her food now purina en contains coconut oil; so i dont think it will be a good idea to add more to her diet.
maybe i will just try the omega 3 for now.
so many things can get so overwhleming

that is why i say get the right diet first then go from there as if you try too many things you will not know what is or is not working. I do baby steps. I try something wait it out for a while then add one more then wait it out for any reaction etc.

How is it going with the EN?

[ally173]

so far so good; thank god.
she likes it and she's hungry all the time; but that is due to the prednisolone.
i started adding gastri-soothe (zinc-carnosine) yesterday and she likes that.
later i will be adding the omega-3 and then gastriplex.
i read extensively about zinc-carnosine and gastriplex; and the studies show that these products promote healing of the GI system.
i also asked about it to be sure "Gastriplex was formulated to help dogs with IBD and other digestive disorders. It has been on the market for more than 10 years and is very safe"

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ally173

so far so good; thank god.
she likes it and she's hungry all the time; but that is due to the prednisolone.
i started adding gastri-soothe (zinc-carnosine) yesterday and she likes that.
later i will be adding the omega-3 and then gastriplex.
i read extensively about zinc-carnosine and gastriplex; and the studies show that these products promote healing of the GI system.
i also asked about it to be sure "Gastriplex was formulated to help dogs with IBD and other digestive disorders. It has been on the market for more than 10 years and is very safe"

glad she is feeling better

[kjc]

Sorry I left... computer crashed.... again

Originally Posted by ally173

many people and her vet recommended fish oil; so i ordered the nordic natural omega 3 pet;
i know reading up on coconut oil sounds really great and it is great; but i used to give it to her in the past and it didnt make any difference.
although her food now purina en contains coconut oil; so i dont think it will be a good idea to add more to her diet.
maybe i will just try the omega 3 for now.
so many things can get so overwhleming

Not to argue... but How do you know it didn't help?
I agree, take it slowly, one change at a time....

Originally Posted by dwerten

that is why i say get the right diet first then go from there as if you try too many things you will not know what is or is not working. I do baby steps. I try something wait it out for a while then add one more then wait it out for any reaction etc.

How is it going with the EN?

Oh, and thanks... MOSoap will be next on my list for DH to try... he went on a psoriasis forum once... scary what people were trying....

Originally Posted by ally173

so far so good; thank god.
she likes it and she's hungry all the time; but that is due to the prednisolone.
i started adding gastri-soothe (zinc-carnosine) yesterday and she likes that.
later i will be adding the omega-3 and then gastriplex.
i read extensively about zinc-carnosine and gastriplex; and the studies show that these products promote healing of the GI system.
i also asked about it to be sure "Gastriplex was formulated to help dogs with IBD and other digestive disorders. It has been on the market for more than 10 years and is very safe"

Sounds like a good plan to me... Hope she continues doing well...

[kjc]

Originally Posted by dwerten

it was her back the skin had a greasy layer and yes it was while on coconut oil and now she does not have it but skin is dryer than it was before.

Splitting the dose in two, or decreasing it but still give it AM & PM may help this... if not... it may not be from the C. Oil. Any loose stools while on it?

Originally Posted by dwerten

I wanted to do kelp supplement as high in iodine when she was first diagnosed but jean said no bc of her allergies was not a good idea

I have some thoughts about this but need to do some more research...

What are her main allegens?