Roriee (AAI puppy) has had a major relapse!

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by TLC

I think that is a good idea to call the Vet and get clearance.
Also, Randi, I don't think anyone would ever suggest you putting Roriee in cargo. It is scary and unsafe for a healthy pup, let alone an AAI pup.

I hope things work out soon

She would have to see a vet anyhow before flying. It is a requirement of all airlines that animals have a health certificate to fly, even in the cabin. Also even transporting across state lines your supposed to have one. although most people don't do it..

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

This is for *another* thread, not for this thread. Please start this discussion elsewhere. It's a good discussion, but not for here. Thank you.

You going to ban me for asking a relevant question here?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

WOW.. first you all jump all over her to give the dog to a rescue, she finds one that will actually help..and now your on her because the pup has to be transported!!!! They can move her carefully, it's not like they ar going to ship her...

Wow! AAI dogs are in excruitiating pain. Any movement to them is unbearable. Ann/moderator is familiar with AAI and the symptoms these pups undergo. A lengthy trip that has been described would only be detrimental to this pup, even resulting in death. Every bump in the road would affect this pup. I can only imagine how much pain that pup would endure. I know what I feel like when I'm experiencing a migraine while in a moving car. Every mile seems like a hundred.

[ladyjane]

You know, I have been wondering the same thing, but in a different light.

It amazes me that breeders who make a profit off of a litter of puppies and claim to love the breed, don't step up in cases like this and offer to share their profits to help these people take care of their pups.

After all, they make a profit by selling these pups. Rescue groups don't sell and make a profit. They start out in the hole...and the reason they do have these dogs in their possession is because they came from breeders who did not care about the genetic problems OR who they sold to.

SO, basically, these dogs belong to the breeder, not the owners; and certainly not the rescues.

We have a waiting list of people wanting to give up their pups. These are people who obtained their dogs from breeders who did not care to breed correctly and/or who did not screen well. How is it that it is rescue's responsibility? Our waiting list is not full of pups who rescues placed. So..whose responsibility is it?

We would love to be United Way for the pups, but with the way the breeders are pumping them out and giving them to anyone with a buck in his/her hand, we simply cannot afford it.

By the way, when you have some time, do take a look at this:
Yorkie Haven Rescue Adoption Fees

[WinstonMom]

To the poster who has never heard of AAI. It is very similar to an internal decapitation in humans. Yes, decapitation. The external structures that hold the head to the body are still present (skin, muscles, etc) but the internal structure that holds the head to the body is compromised. The ligaments and bones that hold the head in place are not doing their job. Basically the head is just sitting on the top of the spinal cord and any jarring movement can end the life of this baby, and quickly.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

WHen is enough, and when is it proper to put a sick animal down?

Now no need to start a flame war, just asking a question. Even my wife and I disagree on this topic as I feel years ago she kept our Golden at the time alive at least a year past when he should have been put to peace.

I also can't help but agreeing with Momma Dog. For the dog to be helped, why does it have to wind up with a different family? My personal feeling is, if you can't afford something, do not buy it. If you can't maintain it, do not buy it.

Oh, it does not have to end up in a different family. YOU pay the bill!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

WHen is enough, and when is it proper to put a sick animal down?

Now no need to start a flame war, just asking a question. Even my wife and I disagree on this topic as I feel years ago she kept our Golden at the time alive at least a year past when he should have been put to peace.

I also can't help but agreeing with Momma Dog. For the dog to be helped, why does it have to wind up with a different family? My personal feeling is, if you can't afford something, do not buy it. If you can't maintain it, do not buy it.

Ann,

If you don't mind, I'll answer the ole retired Marine's question.

When is it time to put a sick animal down? When you know that the animal has no quality of life. When each and every treatment only provides a temporary fix. Most of us tend to put off the enevitable for our own benefit. Our emotions come into play. I've done it, but have learned to look into their eyes and somehow they tell me when it's time to let them go.


I also can't help but agreeing with Momma Dog. For the dog to be helped, why does it have to wind up with a different family? My personal feeling is, if you can't afford something, do not buy it. If you can't maintain it, do not buy it

You've answered Mommadog's question in your last sentence.

[manolos mom]

Randi, or anyone else Please read this. Go to post #22......Please http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...ht=blue+barber

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I just went back and read the posts going back to last November. It's heartbreaking to think of Roriee in so much pain and I truly hope for a great outcome for her.

It is obvious that Randi loves Roriee very much. She has been through so much with this and has been tugged in many directions over Roriee's care. It did seem like she was doing much better for quite some time. Randi posted a thread in January with an update on Roriee and got 0 replies.

I know nothing about AAI, except what I've read here on this forum. It does seem like there are several treatments, some more conservative than others. I can understand why she followed a conservative treatment as Roriee was getting better until this relapse.

That being said, it's obvious that more needs to be done for Roriee now. I see where Randi has agreed to surrender Roriee in order for her to get treatment, but there may be complications with that.

This is such a troubling situation. Randi, since you have an offer of help in Michigan, could you not drive her there yourself? Perhaps have someone to drive and you can keep Roriee comfortable and make sure she doesn't get excited? It's a shame that help for her is so far away but, if that's your only option, you should take it IMO.

Both Roriee and you will be in my prayers. I wish for nothing but the best for her and hope to see an update with some positive news.

Very well said!!

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Wow! AAI dogs are in excruitiating pain. Any movement to them is unbearable. Ann/moderator is familiar with AAI and the symptoms these pups undergo. A lengthy trip that has been described would only be detrimental to this pup, even resulting in death. Every bump in the road would affect this pup. I can only imagine how much pain that pup would endure. I know what I feel like when I'm experiencing a migraine while in a moving car. Every mile seems like a hundred.

wow. I knew when Ann mentioned it earlier she had a reason but that's horrible

This whole thing is just awful on so many levels - the more I read the more I cringe this is one of the worst threads I've seen on here regarding a dog in pain....

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

Ok, I admit I have short term memory loss from Encephalitis. I see 120 posts, and lot of bickering, and lot of back slapping, but I have to ask, what is the outcome here? All I can see is a lady with cancer under a gread deal of stress and a sick dog. Unfortunatley, tough love does not work for everyone. Some resist and will push away. So what is the outcome?

I agree with Maryeverette, Love how you all just jump on her. She had some very valid points. This thread is getting to the point of no return. Dogs and people get sick. Show some compassion to the lady. How the heck do you think she feels. Seriously, I need to just take some time off from YT. I only came here looking for a future breeder to get a pup from someday. That mission has been accomplished. With this group, I feel like a bull in a china shop. I can see now why this site in not on the Marine Corps list of recommended reading. Have a great day.

I couldn't begin to agree more!!

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

Very well said!!

The problem with your is that all of the efforts that went into having Roriee surrendered were underminded by a couple of the PP. Now the OPer is back to not surrendering to get this poor dog the care she desperately needs! Instead she is still laying in pain with a condition that could kill her at any time with even a turn of her head. I have a really good idea where to stick that

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

I couldn't begin to agree more!!

Wonderful....then how about you cough up some of your profits and help this poor lady out. You, the marine, MaryEverett and Brenda can start a fund to help her out! Two of you are breeders, so surely you have some profits that you can share.

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Ann,

If you don't mind, I'll answer the ole retired Marine's question.

When is it time to put a sick animal down? When you know that the animal has no quality of life. When each and every treatment only provides a temporary fix. Most of us tend to put off the enevitable for our own benefit. Our emotions come into play. I've done it, but have learned to look into their eyes and somehow they tell me when it's time to let them go.


I also can't help but agreeing with Momma Dog. For the dog to be helped, why does it have to wind up with a different family? My personal feeling is, if you can't afford something, do not buy it. If you can't maintain it, do not buy it

You've answered Mommadog's question in your last sentence.

Well I don't think Randi expected to lose her job and get cancer when she bought the puppy. It could happen to anyone!!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

The problem with your is that all of the efforts that went into having Roriee surrendered were underminded by a couple of the PP. Now the OPer is back to not surrendering to get this poor dog the care she desperately needs! Instead she is still laying in pain with a condition that could kill her at any time with even a turn of her head. I have a really good idea where to stick that

And the additional problem is that rescues are overwhelmed trying to take care of breeder's messes... breeders who do things like this:

Chantilly Lace cockapoos, sales policy and price page

Take time to read it well...and digest it. Pay special attention to the text in red print. Tells a story.......

While I realize that THIS puppy supposedly did not come from a breeder, most of the ones we get DO.