Roriee (AAI puppy) has had a major relapse!

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

What you are asking would be a form of Welfare. And that is not what rescue is about. Rescues take in pups that require major medical attention and work with vets that offer their services at a reduced price. Immediate attention is obtained, and fees are worked out. Some vets will offer their services on a payment plan. But, rescues operate on donations.

Fanny Mae Liver Shunt, before they folded, did offer assistance to those in need. However, a financial statement had to be submitted, an owner had to fit a certain criteria to qualify. One stipulation is they could be breeder. The too operated on donations, and of course with assistance of Dr. Tobias who always offered her assistance at little or not cost. This foundation has folded with the passing of Terri Schumsky, the founder and wonderful advocate of the Yorkie and the LS cause.

Totally off topic, but are you talking about the Angel Fund???

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Totally off topic, but are you talking about the Angel Fund???

Could be they are now Angel Fund. But, when Terri Schumsky was alive and began the whole Liver Shunt Awareness it was known as Fanny Mae.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

If rescues are having a hard time paying vet bills why would they take an owner surrender that needs such expensive treatment? Why can't the rescue's just help with the cost so she can keep her baby instead of putting the dog in a foster home?

Is there a rescue that is willing to take her? I don't see why a dog has to go into a rescue to be able to receive their help.

Rescues are run on donations from supporters and that is the only support they receive to pay for the care of their dogs. They just do not pay vet bills for people who have sick dogs, if that were the case there would be people lined up around that block looking for free vet care. Basic vet care can be found at many low cost clinics which include vaccines and spay/neuter and possibly other minimal surgeries. Many times they are able to receive grant money for corporations (not the government) to run these types of programs. If there are very serious illnesses the dog needs to be surrendered to rescue so that it can be medically treated under their care. Think about it this way-who would pay to have their dog treated if you could just ask any rescue to pay for vet care--where is the responsibility of the pet owner? Most vets don't even give the rescues a break in vet costs and it is not even reasonable to assume they would. Vets have costs they incur to run a practice and they must charge as well. Someone has to pay.

Breeding and pet ownership should not be taken lightly and there are many irresponsible breeders/owners. Truth be told, the person that is responsible for the breeding that occurred to bring this dog into the world is LONG GONE and now the OPer is left with a very sick puppy. The breeder (in this case the OPer's roommate) didn't care to do the proper testing etc that needed to be done and now look what has happened. This poor puppy is so sick and in desperate need of care and with owned by someone not willing/able to pay for it herself. The responsibility is then left to others to take over and that should not include the privileged of continued ownership.

[ArmaniMan]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

one can get their point across without being harsh.

after months and months of excuses and delays, while this dog sits in excruciating pain that is causing it to scream... I personally could care less about the OP's feelings anymore... sometimes the truth is harsh... people have gone out of their way here to try and help this dog for months and all that work is being thrown out the window... if they weren't harsh in their responses there would be something wrong with them. Letting a defenseless animal suffer needlessly for months on end is not going to win you any favor on a board full of people who love the breed. sorry.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

If rescues are having a hard time paying vet bills why would they take an owner surrender that needs such expensive treatment? Why can't the rescue's just help with the cost so she can keep her baby instead of putting the dog in a foster home?

Is there a rescue that is willing to take her? I don't see why a dog has to go into a rescue to be able to receive their help.

In addition to what Mary said, just imagine what would happen if rescues did offer this service. It would be too easy for people to rely on them and not try to raise fund themselves, sell things, etc. And then if the pup is given back to the owner, what happens when more bills come up? Some owners just aren't prepared for them and then the rescue is called again for more money? Even after this surgery and/or brace (surgery could run >$5,000 with after care unless brace works...) there may be more cost to keep the liver functioning properly. And then if the LP is bad enough for surgery? That's a grand or two more...

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Randi - I am very relieved to see that Roriee is going to a rescue, this is good news.

If someone local is picking her up, she really does need to go to a local vet (pref. one of the neuros or an internist) for immediate assessment as to the best course of action. There needs to be a plan in place as to how/if her pain can be managed during the long transport to Michigan. Can her neck be stabilized properly? Can pain be managed properly? Can she be given enough pain meds, despite her Liver Shunt (what can the liver clear?)?

Have you checked if Olga has a local outreach in your area, so Roriee doesn't have to go through a transport? Honestly, I don't think transporting this baby across country is a good idea *at all*. I'm so glad you are getting her help, but I think transporting her will hurt her more.

WOW.. first you all jump all over her to give the dog to a rescue, she finds one that will actually help..and now your on her because the pup has to be transported!!!! They can move her carefully, it's not like they ar going to ship her...

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

Sigh.. this is so depressing, negative and not helpful to bully someone. Yes the pup needs help, but I think if you had been more kind to her, even while pushing, gently, she would have still surrendered her pup.

And i still say, why does she have to give her up to get her some help????????

PS: while we are being compassionate to animals, can't we also be compassionate to our fellow human beings?!

Where is the wall ...I am banging my head on this post...Why don't you go back to November and read what has happened to this dog. It is considered animal cruelty...no human being who cares would allow their dog to scream in pain over and over again.

Okay since you have the answers we have her address - please send her $4000 to fix her dog..oh and be ready to send her some more $$$ because God knows what other diseaes this animal has ...Oh and don't expect any of it back..

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

WOW.. first you all jump all over her to give the dog to a rescue, she finds one that will actually help..and now your on her because the pup has to be transported!!!! They can move her carefully, it's not like they ar going to ship her...

How the he$$ do you know...you don't even know what AAI is...

Please save yourself a lot of grief and read the entire thread instead of commenting as you go...

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

What pictures? I didn't get to the web site before it was taken down.. And what is AAI? I couldn't find anything when I searched google

Since you obviously didn't read this entire thread and just jumped to the end to agree with Brendah here are the images that should be disturbing to EVERYONE and should demand IMMEDIATE ATTENTION on the part of the OPer. There are the pictures taken directly from the Paypal site asking for people to make donations to pay for the surgery----FOR SIX MONTHS! Let me repeat myself SIX MONTHS and no treatment! It is just disturbing to me and I would hope it would be distrubing to you as well that other than steroid this poor dog is not getting any treatment~because it is "loved"


http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3109269-post215.html

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

WOW.. first you all jump all over her to give the dog to a rescue, she finds one that will actually help..and now your on her because the pup has to be transported!!!! They can move her carefully, it's not like they ar going to ship her...

Dogs with AAI are extremely fragile. One wrong move can potentially cause death. A pothole on a road or being put under a seat on a place may not be okay in this case...

[Wylie's Mom]

Mommadog - if you have issues with what people have posted here, I suggest you PM them. This thread is *not* the place for what you're currently doing. Got it?

[shodanusmc]

WHen is enough, and when is it proper to put a sick animal down?

Now no need to start a flame war, just asking a question. Even my wife and I disagree on this topic as I feel years ago she kept our Golden at the time alive at least a year past when he should have been put to peace.

I also can't help but agreeing with Momma Dog. For the dog to be helped, why does it have to wind up with a different family? My personal feeling is, if you can't afford something, do not buy it. If you can't maintain it, do not buy it.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

WHen is enough, and when is it proper to put a sick animal down?

Now no need to start a flame war, just asking a question. Even my wife and I disagree on this topic as I feel years ago she kept our Golden at the time alive at least a year past when he should have been put to peace.

I also can't help but agreeing with Momma Dog. For the dog to be helped, why does it have to wind up with a different family? My personal feeling is, if you can't afford something, do not buy it. If you can't maintain it, do not buy it.

This is for *another* thread, not for this thread. Please start this discussion elsewhere. It's a good discussion, but not for here. Thank you.

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Mommadog - if you have issues with what people have posted here, I suggest you PM them. This thread is *not* the place for what you're currently doing. Got it?

What is she doing? Everyone has their own opinion. Why can't she express what hers is.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

WHen is enough, and when is it proper to put a sick animal down?

Now no need to start a flame war, just asking a question. Even my wife and I disagree on this topic as I feel years ago she kept our Golden at the time alive at least a year past when he should have been put to peace.

I also can't help but agreeing with Momma Dog. For the dog to be helped, why does it have to wind up with a different family? My personal feeling is, if you can't afford something, do not buy it. If you can't maintain it, do not buy it.

Why don't you start another thread with your questions. It shouldn't be here you are hijacking the thread...:-(