Originally Posted by TLC (Post 3107795)

I think that is a good idea to call the Vet and get clearance.
Also, Randi, I don't think anyone would ever suggest you putting Roriee in cargo. It is scary and unsafe for a healthy pup, let alone an AAI pup.

I hope things work out soon :(

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3111052)

This is for *another* thread, not for this thread. Please start this discussion elsewhere. It's a good discussion, but not for here. Thank you.

Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3111040)

WOW.. first you all jump all over her to give the dog to a rescue, she finds one that will actually help..and now your on her because the pup has to be transported!!!! They can move her carefully, it's not like they ar going to ship her...

Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3111049)

WHen is enough, and when is it proper to put a sick animal down?

Now no need to start a flame war, just asking a question. Even my wife and I disagree on this topic as I feel years ago she kept our Golden at the time alive at least a year past when he should have been put to peace.

I also can't help but agreeing with Momma Dog. For the dog to be helped, why does it have to wind up with a different family? My personal feeling is, if you can't afford something, do not buy it. If you can't maintain it, do not buy it.

Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3111049)

WHen is enough, and when is it proper to put a sick animal down?

Now no need to start a flame war, just asking a question. Even my wife and I disagree on this topic as I feel years ago she kept our Golden at the time alive at least a year past when he should have been put to peace.

I also can't help but agreeing with Momma Dog. For the dog to be helped, why does it have to wind up with a different family? My personal feeling is, if you can't afford something, do not buy it. If you can't maintain it, do not buy it.

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3108312)

I just went back and read the posts going back to last November. It's heartbreaking to think of Roriee in so much pain and I truly hope for a great outcome for her.

It is obvious that Randi loves Roriee very much. She has been through so much with this and has been tugged in many directions over Roriee's care. It did seem like she was doing much better for quite some time. Randi posted a thread in January with an update on Roriee and got 0 replies.

I know nothing about AAI, except what I've read here on this forum. It does seem like there are several treatments, some more conservative than others. I can understand why she followed a conservative treatment as Roriee was getting better until this relapse.

That being said, it's obvious that more needs to be done for Roriee now. I see where Randi has agreed to surrender Roriee in order for her to get treatment, but there may be complications with that.

This is such a troubling situation. Randi, since you have an offer of help in Michigan, could you not drive her there yourself? Perhaps have someone to drive and you can keep Roriee comfortable and make sure she doesn't get excited? It's a shame that help for her is so far away but, if that's your only option, you should take it IMO.

Both Roriee and you will be in my prayers. I wish for nothing but the best for her and hope to see an update with some positive news.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3111058)

Wow! AAI dogs are in excruitiating pain. Any movement to them is unbearable. Ann/moderator is familiar with AAI and the symptoms these pups undergo. A lengthy trip that has been described would only be detrimental to this pup, even resulting in death. Every bump in the road would affect this pup. I can only imagine how much pain that pup would endure. I know what I feel like when I'm experiencing a migraine while in a moving car. Every mile seems like a hundred.

Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3108524)

Ok, I admit I have short term memory loss from Encephalitis. I see 120 posts, and lot of bickering, and lot of back slapping, but I have to ask, what is the outcome here? All I can see is a lady with cancer under a gread deal of stress and a sick dog. Unfortunatley, tough love does not work for everyone. Some resist and will push away. So what is the outcome?

I agree with Maryeverette, Love how you all just jump on her. She had some very valid points. This thread is getting to the point of no return. Dogs and people get sick. Show some compassion to the lady. How the heck do you think she feels. Seriously, I need to just take some time off from YT. I only came here looking for a future breeder to get a pup from someday. That mission has been accomplished. With this group, I feel like a bull in a china shop. I can see now why this site in not on the Marine Corps list of recommended reading. Have a great day.

Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3111072)

Very well said!! :thumbup:

Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3111079)

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: I couldn't begin to agree more!!

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3111065)

Ann,

If you don't mind, I'll answer the ole retired Marine's question.

When is it time to put a sick animal down? When you know that the animal has no quality of life. When each and every treatment only provides a temporary fix. Most of us tend to put off the enevitable for our own benefit. Our emotions come into play. I've done it, but have learned to look into their eyes and somehow they tell me when it's time to let them go.


I also can't help but agreeing with Momma Dog. For the dog to be helped, why does it have to wind up with a different family? My personal feeling is, if you can't afford something, do not buy it. If you can't maintain it, do not buy it

You've answered Mommadog's question in your last sentence.

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3111083)

The problem with your :thumbup::thumbup: is that all of the efforts that went into having Roriee surrendered were underminded by a couple of the PP.:mad: Now the OPer is back to not surrendering to get this poor dog the care she desperately needs! Instead she is still laying in pain with a condition that could kill her at any time with even a turn of her head. I have a really good idea where to stick that :thumbup: :D

Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3111088)

Well I don't think Randi expected to lose her job and get cancer when she bought the puppy. It could happen to anyone!!

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3111063)

Oh, it does not have to end up in a different family. YOU pay the bill! :)

Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3111088)

Well I don't think Randi expected to lose her job and get cancer when she bought the puppy. It could happen to anyone!!

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3111095)

Like I said.....help her out. Put your money where your mouth is.

That is what is needed...money. I am not making a profit off of dogs but you are so maybe for the sake of the dogs you love, you can help this one. :)

Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3111097)

Thats not an answer! The rescue isn't going to get the money back they spend on this dog when they adopt it out to another family/person. So why the heck can't they help her while she is with the one person who loves her, knows her and cares about her??

So she doesn't even get the chance to "adopt" her back?

I asked for help (no money involved) from several rescues and all the yorkie rescues and not even one of those yorkie rescues returned my calls or email. I just wanted some help for Mindy, at the time it was either she would have to go into rescue, or at least maybe get some advice what to do and I asked them if they couldn't help to at least reply or call me back and say so. well NONE did.. Neither one of those big yorkie rescues cared enough to just send a reply.

Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3111103)

There you go again, taking pot shots. I am so glad people look up to you, I sure don't any more. and I know, you don;t care...

I don't make money off of dogs, but you just have to put your jabs in whenever you can.

I don't even know how much she needs for the surgery... or how much she has come up with and I cannot PM her..so you tell me.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3111065)

Ann,

If you don't mind, I'll answer the ole retired Marine's question.

When is it time to put a sick animal down? When you know that the animal has no quality of life. When each and every treatment only provides a temporary fix. Most of us tend to put off the enevitable for our own benefit. Our emotions come into play. I've done it, but have learned to look into their eyes and somehow they tell me when it's time to let them go.


I also can't help but agreeing with Momma Dog. For the dog to be helped, why does it have to wind up with a different family? My personal feeling is, if you can't afford something, do not buy it. If you can't maintain it, do not buy it

You've answered Mommadog's question in your last sentence.

Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3111097)

So she doesn't even get the chance to "adopt" her back?

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Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3111103)

There you go again, taking pot shots. I am so glad people look up to you, I sure don't any more. and I know, you don;t care...

I don't make money off of dogs, but you just have to put your jabs in whenever you can.

I don't even know how much she needs for the surgery... or how much she has come up with and I cannot PM her..so you tell me.

Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3111088)

Well I don't think Randi expected to lose her job and get cancer when she bought the puppy. It could happen to anyone!!

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3111112)

If people do not understand *how* Rescues work, we can start a thread elsewhere to discuss this at length.

DO NOT BASH RESCUES AND/OR THEIR PROCESSES - IT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED HERE.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3111117)

She didn't buy this pup, it was given to her by her roomate, who brought the pup into the world.

This pup has been sick for a long time. Nothing, nothing short of surgery will correct AAI, especially now since time and medical information has proved that there is no other option.

No one is unsympathetic to Randi's medical and financial situations. Life throws us curves. But, this is now a pup's life that is at stake. I for one cannot even phathom how one can listen to a pup scream in pain without screaming yourself and doing what is right by the pup. Even for one day, let alone for a period of time.

As someone stated above. If this was a child, would authorities allow the parents to keep the child in harms way.

These little creatures can't speak for themselves. And by whoever our higher power is, has mandated that we be good stewards for their care.

Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3111115)

Her were go, the deletion of threads where a person does not agree. Wonderful. The server must be housed in Iran.

There was not one thiong wrong wioth what I posted. How about growing a pair and putting it back .

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3111126)

I realize that she did not buy this pup. I am making a point about why rescues are full.