My baby has scabies. . . help!

[Wylie's Mom]

Welcome all101 . Glad you found us! But I'm so sorry your kiddo is sick.

I don't want to write too much info, bc I think you might be overwhelmed. So, I think I'll just do a few bullets:

-- Getting rid of mites can be a difficult process; is there any way you could find a vet who speaks English or use a translator for this?

-- Almost all dogs will develop a yeast infection (fungal) during and after treatment for mites; this must be addressed, but it may have to wait until later (you may need to treat symptoms of yeast *now*, and treat the cause later). For treating after, mention Diflucan or fluconazole.

-- You mentioned a vaccine - is it safe to vaccinate the puppy at this time? I would just consider the state of this pup's immune system, with the meds you're giving and the diseases he is fighting, and whether or not he should be getting vaccines at this time

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Welcome all101 . Glad you found us! But I'm so sorry your kiddo is sick.

I don't want to write too much info, bc I think you might be overwhelmed. So, I think I'll just do a few bullets:

-- Getting rid of mites can be a difficult process; is there any way you could find a vet who speaks English or use a translator for this?

-- Almost all dogs will develop a yeast infection (fungal) during and after treatment for mites; this must be addressed, but it may have to wait until later (you may need to treat symptoms of yeast *now*, and treat the cause later). For treating after, mention Diflucan or fluconazole.

-- You mentioned a vaccine - is it safe to vaccinate the puppy at this time? I would just consider the state of this pup's immune system, with the meds you're giving and the diseases he is fighting, and whether or not he should be getting vaccines at this time

no vaccines in sick dogs and having mites is a sick dog so please do not vaccinate a dog that is not healthy as you can be asking for more problems sadly

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Yes, Vanguard! At least we know about that here...
There is a vaccine overview on the YT Library.
The 5 in 1 should probably be used.


I would never used tea tree oil without washing it off and then still I don't use it.

Revolution would probably be the treatment of choice here, but it is two doses two weeks apart.

A lot of the sprays used for this are going to be highly toxic and could take your pup's life. I'd look for an Engligh speaking vet.

Where on your pup's body is the fungal issue?

I was just quoting what the package insert stated:

Sarcoptic ange Treatment n Dogs
For the treatment of sarcoptic mange (SS scabiei) in dogs,REVOLUTION should be administered once
as a single topical dose.A second monthly dose may be required in some dogs.Monthly use of
REVOLUTION will control any subsequent sarcoptic mange mite infestations.Because of the difficulty in
finding sarcoptic mange mites on skin scrapings, effectiveness assessments also were based on reso-
lution of clinical signs.Resolution of the pruritus associated with the mite infestations was observed in
approximately 50%of the dogs 30 days after the first treatment and in approximately 90%of the dogs
30 ays fter he econd monthly treatment.

And with the age of this pup and with his other issues, thought a less aggressive approach might be better? My vet had me repeat the dose in 3 weeks. I think the stuff is very safe, maybe she could decide after seeing how her pup responds to it? If she can even get it.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by kjc

I disagree with most/all of this info... I am not unclean and I don't live in a garbage dump, I don't live in a third world country, I would never inject Revolution IV or feed it orally to my dog. Cutting the coat is totally unnecessary... etc. My pets are clean and well groomed and I live near a woods and do not intend on cleaning that acreage as it is a natural area for wildlife. Who wrote this crap?

These are the main issues I have with this info, esp. when it suggests to inject these topical treatments through IV....

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

Sorry for posting incorrect info, but someone suggested she google to find out info. She can't google in China, so i thought I was helping by posting that info. It was from two different sites, and I thought I read it thoroughly and it made sense to me. I've never had to deal with anything like that before. I saw "thrid world country" and that's where she is.

But I do agree, if the hair is already falling out so much, as the OP said, it should be cut short. I don't think clumps of missing hair is necessarily a good look. Again, sorry for the wrong info.

I know you were trying to help, you are a concerned and caring person... I think some of the info in the article is actually dangerous though... and it sounds like something that was current in the 1950's or 60's.
After I posted, I realized the hair was coming out probably more due to the fungal problem.... when just scabies is present and the coat is still in halfway decent shape, treatment with Revolution is just as effective on a long coat as a short one. Cutting down was always done more because of the oldschool treatment with shampoos and dips, just easier to manage that way. And as he's a puppy, his hair isn't long yet anyway.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I actually think it was a very good link, I think some objected to the last line. "The basic precaution to fight this disease is to keep your pet clean and well groomed. Also, maintain cleanliness of your neighborhood so it does not foster the growth of scabies mites. There will be no need for dogs scabies treatment in a clean and hygienic environment."

See my quote above and the article, my main issue is with the suggestion of injecting Revolution and other topical meds IV ... never heard of doing this with a topical, and I feel this would be dangerous to do.

[kjc]

See if there is a university near you that does veterinary, if not maybe contact one that does by email.... look for the Univ that does panda research...they have a small animal clinic and some english speaking people in their program... maybe they could help in communicating to you what the basics protocols are for dogs in China/specifically where you live, and maybe help your vet in treating your pup as they would have the most updated info for your area....

One vet I worked for, Dr Kim Hammond, went there for a month or two a few years back to help with setting up some of their clinics and protocols and research... I'll try to find specifics and post later....

[kjc]

And Tea tree oil, though very effecive... is too strong to be used on a puppy and most dogs, esp when the affected area is large. A tiny spot or two probably would be fine. If you choose this treatment, find a product made just for dogs/animals, I think it's a 5% solution.... would be much safer and less chance of a bad reaction...

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by kjc

These are the main issues I have with this info, esp. when it suggests to inject these topical treatments through IV....



I know you were trying to help, you are a concerned and caring person... I think some of the info in the article is actually dangerous though... and it sounds like something that was current in the 1950's or 60's.
After I posted, I realized the hair was coming out probably more due to the fungal problem.... when just scabies is present and the coat is still in halfway decent shape, treatment with Revolution is just as effective on a long coat as a short one. Cutting down was always done more because of the oldschool treatment with shampoos and dips, just easier to manage that way. And as he's a puppy, his hair isn't long yet anyway.



See my quote above and the article, my main issue is with the suggestion of injecting Revolution and other topical meds IV ... never heard of doing this with a topical, and I feel this would be dangerous to do.

Thanks for clearing that up, when you said, "I am not unclean and I don't live in a garbage dump, I don't live in a third world country", it led me to believe the last sentence offended you. I'm glad that there are so many here who can give her good advice.

[Skimo114]

I'm so sorry about your dog. Until your dog gets well he's gonna cry and whine. Scabbies hurts! If you can't find better dog food in China, b/c Purina is like junkfood for dogs, you should try looking up recipes to cooking your own dog food. Dogs can eat lean clean meats like chicken and beef, vegetables, just be weary of things like grapes, tomatoes, onions, mushrooms, chocolate, etc thing that dogs should NEVER eat.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by Skimo114

I'm so sorry about your dog. Until your dog gets well he's gonna cry and whine. Scabbies hurts! If you can't find better dog food in China, b/c Purina is like junkfood for dogs, you should try looking up recipes to cooking your own dog food. Dogs can eat lean clean meats like chicken and beef, vegetables, just be weary of things like grapes, tomatoes, onions, mushrooms, chocolate, etc thing that dogs should NEVER eat.

Good idea! I'm surprised no one else said that yet. or I don't think anyway. There's lots of people on here who home cook for their dogs.

[Nancy1999]

Unless you really do it correctly, home cooking can be less healthy than Purina, at least Purina has all the nutrients a dog needs, and many dogs live very well on it. There are some types of Purina that are healthier than others. Looking for one with meat as the first ingredient is important. So many people think a healthy human diet is a healthy dog diet, and this isn't true, and it's really hard to give them all the calcium they need in a home cooked diet, unless you suppliment. I know Purina is not a popular choice here on YT, but she probably doesn't have the choices we have, and I'm sure it's not related to the dog's condition. Changing foods when a dog is already stressed isn't a good idea either.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by kjc

I was just quoting what the package insert stated:

Sarcoptic ange Treatment n Dogs
For the treatment of sarcoptic mange (SS scabiei) in dogs,REVOLUTION should be administered once
as a single topical dose.A second monthly dose may be required in some dogs.Monthly use of
REVOLUTION will control any subsequent sarcoptic mange mite infestations.Because of the difficulty in
finding sarcoptic mange mites on skin scrapings, effectiveness assessments also were based on reso-
lution of clinical signs.Resolution of the pruritus associated with the mite infestations was observed in
approximately 50%of the dogs 30 days after the first treatment and in approximately 90%of the dogs
30 ays fter he econd monthly treatment.

And with the age of this pup and with his other issues, thought a less aggressive approach might be better? My vet had me repeat the dose in 3 weeks. I think the stuff is very safe, maybe she could decide after seeing how her pup responds to it? If she can even get it.

It's worth a try this way, but it seems that vets prefer to do another after two weeks. I guess it depends on the vet...

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Unless you really do it correctly, home cooking can be less healthy than Purina, at least Purina has all the nutrients a dog needs, and many dogs live very well on it. There are some types of Purina that are healthier than others. Looking for one with meat as the first ingredient is important. So many people think a healthy human diet is a healthy dog diet, and this isn't true, and it's really hard to give them all the calcium they need in a home cooked diet, unless you suppliment. I know Purina is not a popular choice here on YT, but she probably doesn't have the choices we have, and I'm sure it's not related to the dog's condition. Changing foods when a dog is already stressed isn't a good idea either.

Oh I can't win on this thread! LOL I guess maybe I should just quit for now.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

Oh I can't win on this thread! LOL I guess maybe I should just quit for now.

Lol, I'm sure a lot of people will agree with you, more than agree with me, I just hate it when they do a food switch when puppy is sick, unless the food is really causing the problem. I actually try to stay out of the sick area, but nobody was up last night.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by all101

I live in China and about 1 month ago I bought a yorkie. Ollie is now about 12 weeks old and he has developed a bad skin rash over the last week. Yesterday I took him to a Chinese vet who told me that he had scoptic scabies and a fungal infection. Ollie weighs 1.3 lbs and lately he has not wanted to eat much. For the last 2 days he has been shaking and crying a lot. The vet gave me two topical sprays, which I have never heard of before, and told me to spray him everyday. After I spray him he runs in cirlces and cries and shakes. I don't know what to do. The vet doesn't know much english and I don't know much Chinese and I am afraid that the medicine is going to hurt my baby boy. he already had a bad reation to the dewormer I gave him and had a hypoglycemic fit. He is losing hair now and is very tired and needs to be held, but now I have the itchies too! I don't know how good the Chinese food is so I feed him purina puppy chow (which he hates) fish, steak, carrots, and apple. I have washed everything, but I don't how he got it. He doesn't go outside at all because it is too cold. Please help me, I feel lost.

I read the replies and got a little confused - is he diagnosed with scabies ? The only experience I have is remembering someone who had them in their home (no fault of their own) and it was a nightmare to get rid of - not only for the poor dog who was suffering but the humans in contact - IF it is scabies - you'll have to treat your whole home and be religeous about it....and I'd be very scared to use a chemical everyday on any pet....

If you noticed you itch too - it must be something in the home and that's where it becomes alot of work. You hate to see your dog suffering and will need to get a handle on this quickly....Some 'mites' live UNDER under the skin and cause misery.....

you don't have to have an unclean envoirnment to have a problem like this but you will need to be pro-active and find out what exactly is going on and take it from there....ALL THE BEST ! I'd hate to be in your shoes and I hope your little guy will be ok

[all101]

Thank you all so much! Ollie is doing a bit better--eating more, scratching less, and ever talking to me! I went and bought 2 puppy shampoos today, one is tea tree and the other coconut. I was going to bath him (AGAIN!) but it is a little chilly today and the government has turned off the heat until November (crazy, I know). I am still looking for an English Vet. Although I have a few friends who have actually worked in translation they don't know what I mean! The problem is that most of the medicines are produced in China and not imported. Medicine and ointment names have not meaning . . . and when they give me "their" version I am worried to use it. I like the idea of the lemon bath though, any more homeopathic remedies are much appreciated because raw products are abundant. The medicine is working, but it is too strong. I think I will dilute it and maybe put it in his bath tomorrow (that is if it is a warm day). I have read up on the mites and washed everything in my house. I was a little relieved to read that it can take a few weeks for mites to become noticable. I think it came from the "breeder," if you can call her that. Anyways, thank you all bunches!