Ava is sick and in hospital again; GI problems

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ally173

i have no more energy to try anything anymore; i give up.
it's been such a long journey with this little one. if the vet can't figure it out, then i dont know who will.
it's always something; either ibd or allergies or not eating......

hang in their gf it was a rough year when dex went through this but once that year was over and he was on the right diet it has been pretty smooth for 4 years now - couple bumps but pretty good now i need to go knock on some wood - many times dogs that have ibd also have allergies as they are tied together it stinks but hang in there she is doing much better so hopefully this new vet will get it all under control - at some point you have to trust someone even though it is hard to do sometimes

[Ellie May]

If the vomiting and itching were controlled on steroids, why are they being reduced (or is it just the obvious....not healthy long term)?

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Yep...it really did help Rookie. His stools were icky about once/week and he was always passing foul gas; and we suspected ibd. He is fine now!

It is true though that every pup is different. I suppose if a pup had both ibd and allergies it might be worth trying? There are so many other foods for a pup with just allergies. Thankfully, this guy does not have allergies that I am aware of.

yeah i was freaking out as dex never itched and he was like dd on that food i was so frustrated and dh said why is he itching so much and then demi too chewing and licking her paws loll ughhh that was not a fun year it was either hives or vomitting and always seemed to happen on a holiday ughhhh I am so glad purina ha worked as i was so frustrated after a year and 10k i wanted to scream so i totally know how she feels

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by ally173

i have no more energy to try anything anymore; i give up.
it's been such a long journey with this little one. if the vet can't figure it out, then i dont know who will.
it's always something; either ibd or allergies or not eating......

I am so sorry. I know it has been a very long journey for both of you and I wish I had the answer. It is so difficult to have a sick pupster. I pray for both of you often.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

hang in their gf it was a rough year when dex went through this but once that year was over and he was on the right diet it has been pretty smooth for 4 years now - couple bumps but pretty good now i need to go knock on some wood - many times dogs that have ibd also have allergies as they are tied together it stinks but hang in there she is doing much better so hopefully this new vet will get it all under control - at some point you have to trust someone even though it is hard to do sometimes

[ally173]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

If the vomiting and itching were controlled on steroids, why are they being reduced (or is it just the obvious....not healthy long term)?

exactly; plus he said if she has to be on it; then he wants to find out the lowest effective dose.

[ally173]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I am so sorry. I know it has been a very long journey for both of you and I wish I had the answer. It is so difficult to have a sick pupster. I pray for both of you often.

thank you linda; much appreciated.

[ally173]

Originally Posted by dwerten

hang in their gf it was a rough year when dex went through this but once that year was over and he was on the right diet it has been pretty smooth for 4 years now - couple bumps but pretty good now i need to go knock on some wood - many times dogs that have ibd also have allergies as they are tied together it stinks but hang in there she is doing much better so hopefully this new vet will get it all under control - at some point you have to trust someone even though it is hard to do sometimes

i do trust him, i guess i have no choice; he's good; but sometimes can cope an attitude. i think he's busy and doesnt want to be bothered by small things. like last time when i told him she didnt want to eat; he said only to call him if she threw up few times. so i feel like i have to walk on eggshells when i have to ask questions.
he didnt seem like this in the begining; day 1 he was great and he spent few hrs with me and answered all questions; but after $3300 and all tests were done; it's like he changed- bipolar or something.
what can i do. like i said i am drained and have no energy to even think anymore.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by ally173

i do trust him, i guess i have no choice; he's good; but sometimes can cope an attitude. i think he's busy and doesnt want to be bothered by small things. like last time when i told him she didnt want to eat; he said only to call him if she threw up few times. so i feel like i have to walk on eggshells when i have to ask questions.
he didnt seem like this in the begining; day 1 he was great and he spent few hrs with me and answered all questions; but after $3300 and all tests were done; it's like he changed- bipolar or something.
what can i do. like i said i am drained and have no energy to even think anymore.

I dont think he probably means to be harsh. My son's pediatrician was like that. I actually appreciated him in time.....he was smart and a great doc...he trained his moms well about when to call him! He wanted us to only call when it was an emergency. They are busy and just cannot always answer what they don't see as emergent...even though WE do! That is all it sounds like he is doing....trying to help you calm down a bit. Even though things are not perfect, she is not sick and out of control like she was before. I do believe he is getting to the bottom of it all.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ally173

i do trust him, i guess i have no choice; he's good; but sometimes can cope an attitude. i think he's busy and doesnt want to be bothered by small things. like last time when i told him she didnt want to eat; he said only to call him if she threw up few times. so i feel like i have to walk on eggshells when i have to ask questions.
he didnt seem like this in the begining; day 1 he was great and he spent few hrs with me and answered all questions; but after $3300 and all tests were done; it's like he changed- bipolar or something.
what can i do. like i said i am drained and have no energy to even think anymore.

hey girl that is a MAN for you lollll jk trying to make you laugh. Our man vet is like that and the woman vet is too actually as she is slamming busy i just have the techs ask and say call back when they can but they can call vet does not have to so that way they can ask the questions when the vet is not busy and call you back with answer. I think the busy ones prefer to do it that way which i prefer too. The derm does this her asst type it up in computer and she types the answer and they call me with it - it works pretty good. I just wish more of them had email as i prefer that and a couple specialists do that which is nice then they can respond in between clients. Doesn't your guy have a website where you can email it in as i thought i saw that ?

[ally173]

i just dropped off ava at the vet; she's sick again
loose stool with mucus and vomiting with blood; and stomach rumbling

the vet had decreased the prednisone dose to every 2 days for the past 2 weeks; and she hasn't been eating much; yesterday she barely ate; and today she didnt want to eat at all and then she vomited..
so i am guessing he will increase the dose to every other day; she might need to be on it for a very long time if not her life.
do u think it will be ok; right now i think the benefits outweight the risks. what do u think?

i think it might be the food she's on ; the iams low residue. she might be allergic to corn and chicken; so not sure what food is best for her case.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ally173

i just dropped off ava at the vet; she's sick again
loose stool with mucus and vomiting with blood; and stomach rumbling

the vet had decreased the prednisone dose to every 2 days for the past 2 weeks; and she hasn't been eating much; yesterday she barely ate; and today she didnt want to eat at all and then she vomited..
so i am guessing he will increase the dose to every other day; she might need to be on it for a very long time if not her life.
do u think it will be ok; right now i think the benefits outweight the risks. what do u think?

i think it might be the food she's on ; the iams low residue. she might be allergic to corn and chicken; so not sure what food is best for her case.

so sorry some dogs have to be on pred and you just have to know there are side effects but the risk in some dogs out weighs what they are going through now. I have dd on steroids - if you can get them to every other day that is the safest way to dose steroids but that is not always possible for all dogs.

Have you ever done the tylan powder as safer and there is an anti-inflammatory in it and some dogs are on that daily for maintenance - sorry cannot remember if you have done this or not

I agree the food is probably the issue as if on the right diet like dex is the ibd is under control and sometimes it takes a few months for a food to set them off after a food change. Our vet said sometimes ibd dogs will do good for a few months then get sick and you have to switch etc. Thank goodness with dex we have been good for almost 5 years now.

You may want to consult with susan davis Holistic Veterinarian Pet Nutritionist Holistic Pet Care. I just met her saturday and she seems very nice and caring or join k9kitchen on yahoogroups.com and start asking questions about home cooking as this may help her and you can make a batch for months at a time and freeze. k9kitchen owner monica segal is a nutritionist from guelph university but the people that have worked with susan swear by her.

I got a coupon for a lower price as i was going to consult her myself but i know money is tight as you have been through so much lately so if you want my coupon i will be happy to give it to you to use so just pm me. It cannot hurt to get more info from a nutritionist at this point.

so sorry again

[ally173]

Originally Posted by dwerten

so sorry some dogs have to be on pred and you just have to know there are side effects but the risk in some dogs out weighs what they are going through now. I have dd on steroids - if you can get them to every other day that is the safest way to dose steroids but that is not always possible for all dogs.

Have you ever done the tylan powder as safer and there is an anti-inflammatory in it and some dogs are on that daily for maintenance - sorry cannot remember if you have done this or not

I agree the food is probably the issue as if on the right diet like dex is the ibd is under control and sometimes it takes a few months for a food to set them off after a food change. Our vet said sometimes ibd dogs will do good for a few months then get sick and you have to switch etc. Thank goodness with dex we have been good for almost 5 years now.

You may want to consult with susan davis Holistic Veterinarian Pet Nutritionist Holistic Pet Care. I just met her saturday and she seems very nice and caring or join k9kitchen on yahoogroups.com and start asking questions about home cooking as this may help her and you can make a batch for months at a time and freeze. k9kitchen owner monica segal is a nutritionist from guelph university but the people that have worked with susan swear by her.

I got a coupon for a lower price as i was going to consult her myself but i know money is tight as you have been through so much lately so if you want my coupon i will be happy to give it to you to use so just pm me. It cannot hurt to get more info from a nutritionist at this point.

so sorry again

just picked her up, he gave her sub q fluids, pepcid injec, antiinflamtory inj and dexamethasone inj
i will try to feed her in few hrs and hope she keeps it down
she has to be back on prednisone once daily for 2 weeks and then every other day until advised; maybe 6 months or more
every 3 to 6 months she has to get boold test for the organs to make sure everything is ok
he's ordering purina EN for me to switch her to that food; to give it a try
he wants to do acth test to rule out addison disease but that's over 500; i am going to wait on that since the treatment is prednisone anyway
he also wanted to put her on fortiflora from purina; but i still have benebac pet gel; he said to stay on that.
does anyone know if fortiflora is better then benebac?
thanks

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ally173

just picked her up, he gave her sub q fluids, pepcid injec, antiinflamtory inj and dexamethasone inj
i will try to feed her in few hrs and hope she keeps it down
she has to be back on prednisone once daily for 2 weeks and then every other day until advised; maybe 6 months or more
every 3 to 6 months she has to get boold test for the organs to make sure everything is ok
he's ordering purina EN for me to switch her to that food; to give it a try
he wants to do acth test to rule out addison disease but that's over 500; i am going to wait on that since the treatment is prednisone anyway
he also wanted to put her on fortiflora from purina; but i still have benebac pet gel; he said to stay on that.
does anyone know if fortiflora is better then benebac?
thanks

wow i am so sorry you really have been through so much I feel so bad for you.

Make sure you do some reading on addisons as my friends dog Tank a bull mastiff has addisons disease and that is much different that what you are going through so do your homework.

Hypoadrenocorticism (Addison's Disease) in Dogs

Addison basically means their adrenals stop working so you have to give steroids to keep them functioning. It is really hard to diagnose in dogs unless they have an addsonian crisis which my friends dog did. I can try to find the info on my vet group as we discussed this in great depth when my friends dog did get this but it does show up in blood work as well and the first sign is they start losing weight which is opposite of cushings where they gain weight. Addisons is the opposite disease of cushings.

I hope it is not addisons but if it is it is treated with steroids which is what she is on.

The prob with steroids used daily is eventually the adrenals stop working and why every other day steroid use is safest because it allows the adrenals to still function on off day to keep side effects less likely. This is why derm, dr dodds and ims do not want my dd on steroids every day but every other day for this reason.

[ally173]

Originally Posted by dwerten

wow i am so sorry you really have been through so much I feel so bad for you.

Make sure you do some reading on addisons as my friends dog Tank a bull mastiff has addisons disease and that is much different that what you are going through so do your homework.

Hypoadrenocorticism (Addison's Disease) in Dogs

Addison basically means their adrenals stop working so you have to give steroids to keep them functioning. It is really hard to diagnose in dogs unless they have an addsonian crisis which my friends dog did. I can try to find the info on my vet group as we discussed this in great depth when my friends dog did get this but it does show up in blood work as well and the first sign is they start losing weight which is opposite of cushings where they gain weight. Addisons is the opposite disease of cushings.

I hope it is not addisons but if it is it is treated with steroids which is what she is on.

The prob with steroids used daily is eventually the adrenals stop working and why every other day steroid use is safest because it allows the adrenals to still function on off day to keep side effects less likely. This is why derm, dr dodds and ims do not want my dd on steroids every day but every other day for this reason.

she's going to be on it only for 2 weeks once daily; then every other day to be safe; and i think that dose might be effective. if she has another episode then we have to consider daily. but hopefully that wont happen. she relapsed quickly so i think it must be something in the food. since they have to order the EN i am not sure if i should continue feeding the iams low residue until i switch. should i give her some boiled chicken and rice instead. not sure what to do for the next few days