Ava is sick and in hospital again; GI problems

[ally173]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

oh NO I was not suggesting it for Ava...sorry if it sounded like that. I was merely commenting on foods. duh...my bad

I would not suggest anything for her at this point! I agree she needs a vet nutritionist.

There is one at A&M. I can get his name if you want it Ellie. He drew up a homecooked diet for my Cody who had renal and pancreatic issues and could not eat any of the RX diets. The consult with my vet was $150 and that included two recipes.

i know u weren't suggesting just sharing ur story; and i want to hear about other stories for insight.
can u please give me the info for the nutritionist.
thanks

[ally173]

i noticed the following ingredients in purina which can be toxic, especially for a dog with IBD and [COLOR=green ! important][COLOR=green ! important]digestive[/COLOR][/COLOR] issues.
Copper sulfate, menadione sodium bisulfite complex and sodium selenite; these ingredients can be toxic and cause vomiting and are not meant for long term use. however the vet said she might be on this diet for a long term if not her life.
can anyone please tell me more about these ingredients, why are they added to this formula and how safe are they? thanks

[ladyjane]

Contact

Dr. John E. Bauer
Texas A&M University
College of Veterinary Medicine
Department of Veterinary Small Animal Clinical Sciences
4474-TAMU
College Station, TX 77843-4474

[ally173]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Contact

Dr. John E. Bauer
Texas A&M University
College of Veterinary Medicine
Department of Veterinary Small Animal Clinical Sciences
4474-TAMU
College Station, TX 77843-4474

thanks

[ladyjane]

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[mojo]

Originally Posted by ally173

just picked her up, he gave her sub q fluids, pepcid injec, antiinflamtory inj and dexamethasone inj
i will try to feed her in few hrs and hope she keeps it down
she has to be back on prednisone once daily for 2 weeks and then every other day until advised; maybe 6 months or more
every 3 to 6 months she has to get boold test for the organs to make sure everything is ok
he's ordering purina EN for me to switch her to that food; to give it a try
he wants to do acth test to rule out addison disease but that's over 500; i am going to wait on that since the treatment is prednisone anyway
he also wanted to put her on fortiflora from purina; but i still have benebac pet gel; he said to stay on that.
does anyone know if fortiflora is better then benebac?
thanks

Hi. I haven't read this entire thread but I noticed this response and am jumping in. Bella (6 1/2) has addison's disease and is being treated with prednisone every other day. I was curious what tests for her organs you were saying your dog needs? My vet doesn't do any testing. She also requires a docp shot every 3 weeks.
She has had this disease at least 3 years and was doing pretty well. Then within the last 6-7 months she would vomit, have gi issues. After another stay in the hospital and testing, my vet told me he thought she had a food allergy. I really didn't think so. He said trust me, put her on Royal Canin hypoallergenic hp and it has worked wonders! R.C. is not something I would have normally fed, but this is really working for her.
Good luck to you and your girl.

[ally173]

Originally Posted by mojo

Hi. I haven't read this entire thread but I noticed this response and am jumping in. Bella (6 1/2) has addison's disease and is being treated with prednisone every other day. I was curious what tests for her organs you were saying your dog needs? My vet doesn't do any testing. She also requires a docp shot every 3 weeks.
She has had this disease at least 3 years and was doing pretty well. Then within the last 6-7 months she would vomit, have gi issues. After another stay in the hospital and testing, my vet told me he thought she had a food allergy. I really didn't think so. He said trust me, put her on Royal Canin hypoallergenic hp and it has worked wonders! R.C. is not something I would have normally fed, but this is really working for her.
Good luck to you and your girl.

my dog was diagnosed with IBD; the vet said dogs on prednisone need blood test to check their liver and kidney function and UTIs; since prednisone decreases the immune system.
what food was she on before RC HP?
i think it's food related too; because my dog did fine on halo hollistic salmon for almost 10 months with no episode; and then her diet was changed to different dog foods and then she started having frequent episodes. can't keep count i think this is her 5th or 6th episode. but now i rush her right away to avoid further damage.
she was on iams low residue; but since it has corn and it showed up as an allergen on her allergy test. we are going to try purina EN now; it's doesnt have corn, i am hoping it will help.
soy also showed up on the allergan test; so she probably can't have purina HA or RC HP.
if this keeps up i might have no choice but to homecook; which i am trying to avoid.
thanks again

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

oh NO I was not suggesting it for Ava...sorry if it sounded like that. I was merely commenting on foods. duh...my bad

I would not suggest anything for her at this point! I agree she needs a vet nutritionist.

There is one at A&M. I can get his name if you want it Ellie. He drew up a homecooked diet for my Cody who had renal and pancreatic issues and could not eat any of the RX diets. The consult with my vet was $150 and that included two recipes.

No, it didn't sound like you were at all.
I just like to give the other side and make sure OP knows this food doesn't work work all pups.

Miss Ellie has a vet nutritionist. She isn't allowed any rx or commercial diets whatsoever. Fun times.

[mojo]

Originally Posted by ally173

my dog was diagnosed with IBD; the vet said dogs on prednisone need blood test to check their liver and kidney function and UTIs; since prednisone decreases the immune system.
what food was she on before RC HP?
i think it's food related too; because my dog did fine on halo hollistic salmon for almost 10 months with no episode; and then her diet was changed to different dog foods and then she started having frequent episodes. can't keep count i think this is her 5th or 6th episode. but now i rush her right away to avoid further damage.
she was on iams low residue; but since it has corn and it showed up as an allergen on her allergy test. we are going to try purina EN now; it's doesnt have corn, i am hoping it will help.
soy also showed up on the allergan test; so she probably can't have purina HA or RC HP.
if this keeps up i might have no choice but to homecook; which i am trying to avoid.
thanks again

Before that she was on chicken soup for the pet lovers soul - which my other 2 are still on - no problems. Prior to that they were on merricks, but my dogs stopped liking it so much so I switched to the chicken soup which they love.
Wonder why my vet doesn't check kidney/liver functions? Although she requires the prednisone to function, so...

[dwerten]

had not heard of this one but mine is on hydrolized soy diet as well but it is purina ha and he has done great on it for almost 5 years now. My dog with allergies is also on that diet as well.

Did you ever try the soy diet Elly? I cannot remember sorry I just do not put much credence in blood tests for food allergies as i know you know as we have talked about that.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ally173

my dog was diagnosed with IBD; the vet said dogs on prednisone need blood test to check their liver and kidney function and UTIs; since prednisone decreases the immune system.
what food was she on before RC HP?
i think it's food related too; because my dog did fine on halo hollistic salmon for almost 10 months with no episode; and then her diet was changed to different dog foods and then she started having frequent episodes. can't keep count i think this is her 5th or 6th episode. but now i rush her right away to avoid further damage.
she was on iams low residue; but since it has corn and it showed up as an allergen on her allergy test. we are going to try purina EN now; it's doesnt have corn, i am hoping it will help.
soy also showed up on the allergan test; so she probably can't have purina HA or RC HP.
if this keeps up i might have no choice but to homecook; which i am trying to avoid.
thanks again

yes every 6 mos dd gets blood work as she is on temarilp but i think with an addisons dog you are pretty much stuck as they have to have steroids to survive so may be why they do not get as concerned about doing blood work as often

[ally173]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

No, it didn't sound like you were at all.
I just like to give the other side and make sure OP knows this food doesn't work work all pups.

Miss Ellie has a vet nutritionist. She isn't allowed any rx or commercial diets whatsoever. Fun times.

if u dont mind me asking what food do u homecook for her and which nutritionist do u use. thanks

[ally173]

Originally Posted by dwerten

had not heard of this one but mine is on hydrolized soy diet as well but it is purina ha and he has done great on it for almost 5 years now. My dog with allergies is also on that diet as well.

Did you ever try the soy diet Elly? I cannot remember sorry I just do not put much credence in blood tests for food allergies as i know you know as we have talked about that.

i have not tried the soy diet yet; i am going to try purina EN since it's beef; and if this doesnt work i will try HA and then homecooked. i think i want to try many things before i homecook for her.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by ally173

if u dont mind me asking what food do u homecook for her and which nutritionist do u use. thanks

We use Rebecca Remillard out of Angell.
Ellie is on a fish based diet that would be likely not work in this case.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ally173

i have not tried the soy diet yet; i am going to try purina EN since it's beef; and if this doesnt work i will try HA and then homecooked. i think i want to try many things before i homecook for her.

well keep in mind beef and chicken are the top two things dogs are allergic too and cannot tolerate. Beef is rich too. I do not think that diet is hydrolized either. I do not want to confuse the situation but I think at this point you may want to give the purina ha or the other soy diet a try instead of beef but go with your gut and did you join K9kitchen? She is a nutritionist from guelph university which is a vet school in canada. She is very nice and helpful and also have you joined ibdogs and pancreatitis dogs on yahoogroups.com as those are people dealing with this as well. Many pancreatitis dogs also have ibd. If you haven't i strongly recommend joining all 3 groups today as they may have dogs that went through the same thing you are going through and can help you more.