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dwerten · 01-29-2010, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bchgirl

The friend's dog I spoke of earlier...presented far differently from any other dog with a shunt that I'd read or heard of. So much so... shunt was not initially the first consideration from others really knowledgeable. Bella's symptoms are quite similar. His symptoms were not brought on by eating either. They began after receiving vaccinations, prior to that he was asymptotic.

ok thanks

I just found this video of head pressing in an ls dog- trying to see if i see one like bella

YouTube - Liver Shunt - Pug Pacing and Head Pressing

mly · 01-29-2010, 11:35 PM

Yes, Bella's on L/D food. I'll look more into petmeds.com. Will my vet give me a prescription for it? Also, would it be the same doses? I'm hoping the meds from there won't be too weak or too strong. Has anyone ordered from petmeds for lactulose?

mly · 01-29-2010, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dwerten

ok thanks

I just found this video of head pressing in an ls dog- trying to see if i see one like bella

YouTube - Liver Shunt - Pug Pacing and Head Pressing

I'm not seeing the head pressing. Maybe it's just me. Is it when the pug faces the wall?

Bella doesn't seem to do that. She does walks close the the walls and would sometimes run into them from not seeing the corners when we turn or something.

Also, she normally eats once at night and that's it but her symptoms are all day since I noticed it says "after they eat".

dwerten · 01-29-2010, 11:48 PM

here is anothe video of it

YouTube - hepatic encephalopathy

dwerten · 01-29-2010, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mly

Yes, Bella's on L/D food. I'll look more into petmeds.com. Will my vet give me a prescription for it? Also, would it be the same doses? I'm hoping the meds from there won't be too weak or too strong. Has anyone ordered from petmeds for lactulose?

check out price first sometimes it is not much of a difference but you have to be careful as some places on line are black market so you do not want drugs from that - petmeds is safe though

dwerten · 01-29-2010, 11:53 PM

this is vestibular

YouTube - Sindrome Vestibular

dwerten · 01-29-2010, 11:59 PM

this is the eye twitching with vestibular

YouTube - Poor sick Dana :(

kjc · 01-30-2010, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mly

Yes, Bella's on L/D food. I'll look more into petmeds.com. Will my vet give me a prescription for it? Also, would it be the same doses? I'm hoping the meds from there won't be too weak or too strong. Has anyone ordered from petmeds for lactulose?

If your vet is going to overcharge you for Lactulose (shame on him!) tell him you want a script and have it filled at your local pharmacy. Humans take it too, main use is as a laxative but is very effective in removing toxins from the bowel. You can dose her orally and put some on her food.... better if you can get her to eat 3-4 small meals a day, with Lactulose on the food. Of course, discuss these suggestions with your vet.
Lactulose 473 mL = $30.00 (from my vet) local pharmacy may be cheaper.
Strength = 10gm/15mL human script is the same I think no diff, very safe, if one requires a stronger dose you just up the amount you give.
General guideline is that you give enough to produce a formed but very soft stool: hard to pick up mush but not diarrhea.

Please keep her on a leash especially with head/brain problems. Something could spook her and cause her to head into traffic which was clearly evident in your video.

kjc · 01-30-2010, 06:10 AM

Did I read that right? When she got vaccine DHLPP? Lepto should never be given to small breeds, causes to many problems/deaths. Corona either, or lymes. dental vac and giardia vac as they are too new, long term effects not in. Adverse reactions reported in Yorkies.

dwerten · 01-30-2010, 07:12 AM

here are some videos of a liver shunt dog that just had the shunt repaired that we helped on another yorkie group

videos :: sick3.flv video by suzeb29 - Photobucket

videos :: sick2.flv video by suzeb29 - Photobucket

videos :: sick1.flv video by suzeb29 - Photobucket

videos :: better.flv video by suzeb29 - Photobucket

TLC · 01-30-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mly

Yes, Bella's on L/D food. I'll look more into petmeds.com. Will my vet give me a prescription for it? Also, would it be the same doses? I'm hoping the meds from there won't be too weak or too strong. Has anyone ordered from petmeds for lactulose?

Get your Vet to write you a Rx for the Lactulose, and fill it at Walmart or Costco (do not need a membership to go to the Pharamcy). You will be able to get a LARGE bottle of the Lactulose cheap

TLC · 01-30-2010, 09:28 AM

dwerten thanks so much for those videos. Roxy has MVD and ya know what, she does walk around the house like that sometimes. I thought head pressing was standing at the wall and pressing the head into it. Now that I see the "walking along side the walls, etc." I do beleiev Roxy is showing those HE signs. Now, I am going to put her on Lactulose and Metro and see it this continues. Gosh, I thought that was just her.

TLC · 01-30-2010, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mly

I'm not seeing the head pressing. Maybe it's just me. Is it when the pug faces the wall?

Bella doesn't seem to do that. She does walks close the the walls and would sometimes run into them from not seeing the corners when we turn or something.

Also, she normally eats once at night and that's it but her symptoms are all day since I noticed it says "after they eat".

I honestly don't know what is wrong. If she had a BAT, you really need to get those results. There will be a Pre # and a Post #. Please call your Vet and ask for those #s and write them down. Please let us know what they are.

I really, really suggest that you see a Specialist. I don't know if this seems like LS or a Head/Brain (Neuro) issue to me. But something is going on and it is best to get to a Specialist ASAP.

Again, please post the BAT results

dwerten · 01-30-2010, 09:53 AM

Thanks TLC I knew you could help on this

TLC · 01-30-2010, 10:17 AM

I also wanted to say this. I don't know if your Vet is 100% convinced of LS either. I say this bc he still wants you to see a Neurologist. LS babies see an Internal Medicine Specialist, so the he wants you to see a Neurologist bc he may still think this is neuro related. Also, LS babies are put on Metro as the antib. I have never seen an LS baby on clavamox. I think Clavamox is for infection??? So I think he is really covering all basis with, but it sounds that he is just not sure. And I really can't comment or give advice about LS or MVD, without knowing the BAT results. And as others stated, a BAT is not conclusive of a shunt, it only shows liver function, more testing needs to be done.

I really recommended taking his advice and seeing a Neurologist. At the speciality hospital, they have all sorts of specialist, so if the Neuro has to consult with an Internal Medicine Specialist, they are all available under one roof.

Best Wishes and please don't delay, something is very wrong with her.

01-30-2010, 06:10 AM	#129
kjc I♥PeekTinkySaph&Finny Donating Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 18,872	Did I read that right? When she got vaccine DHLPP? Lepto should never be given to small breeds, causes to many problems/deaths. Corona either, or lymes. dental vac and giardia vac as they are too new, long term effects not in. Adverse reactions reported in Yorkies. __________________ Kat Chloe Lizzy PeekABooTinkerbell SapphireInfinity Last edited by kjc; 01-30-2010 at 06:13 AM.

01-30-2010, 07:12 AM	#130
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	here are some videos of a liver shunt dog that just had the shunt repaired that we helped on another yorkie group videos :: sick3.flv video by suzeb29 - Photobucket videos :: sick2.flv video by suzeb29 - Photobucket videos :: sick1.flv video by suzeb29 - Photobucket videos :: better.flv video by suzeb29 - Photobucket Last edited by dwerten; 01-30-2010 at 07:13 AM.

01-30-2010, 09:28 AM	#132
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	dwerten thanks so much for those videos. Roxy has MVD and ya know what, she does walk around the house like that sometimes. I thought head pressing was standing at the wall and pressing the head into it. Now that I see the "walking along side the walls, etc." I do beleiev Roxy is showing those HE signs. Now, I am going to put her on Lactulose and Metro and see it this continues. Gosh, I thought that was just her. __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

01-30-2010, 10:17 AM	#135
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	I also wanted to say this. I don't know if your Vet is 100% convinced of LS either. I say this bc he still wants you to see a Neurologist. LS babies see an Internal Medicine Specialist, so the he wants you to see a Neurologist bc he may still think this is neuro related. Also, LS babies are put on Metro as the antib. I have never seen an LS baby on clavamox. I think Clavamox is for infection??? So I think he is really covering all basis with, but it sounds that he is just not sure. And I really can't comment or give advice about LS or MVD, without knowing the BAT results. And as others stated, a BAT is not conclusive of a shunt, it only shows liver function, more testing needs to be done. I really recommended taking his advice and seeing a Neurologist. At the speciality hospital, they have all sorts of specialist, so if the Neuro has to consult with an Internal Medicine Specialist, they are all available under one roof. Best Wishes and please don't delay, something is very wrong with her. __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

01-29-2010, 11:35 PM	#122
mly Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: california Posts: 216	Yes, Bella's on L/D food. I'll look more into petmeds.com. Will my vet give me a prescription for it? Also, would it be the same doses? I'm hoping the meds from there won't be too weak or too strong. Has anyone ordered from petmeds for lactulose?

01-30-2010, 09:53 AM	#134
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	Thanks TLC I knew you could help on this