Constipation of blockage-Please Help

[sferrini]

Originally Posted by dwerten

here is some info on turkey and why the day after thanksgiving is a bad day for pancreatitis. It is mainly due to dark meat and skin being fatty.

Dog Park Etiquette Blog Archive Is Turkey bad for dogs?

But the internal medicine specialist did tell me many dogs with ibd cannot handle poultry

The thing I don't understand is the turkey I was feeding her was from Wellness and I bought it at Petco. I wasn't feeding her home made turkey, why would they sell something dogs can't eat?

[dwerten]

Colitis in Dogs

check this information out on colitis sounds to me to be the problem and ibd and colitis are very similar in nature it is an inflamed bowel.

I would not feed a poultry especially with an allergy dog. i have an allergy dog and an ibd dog both are yorkies. I know alot about this stuff. Constipation has never been an issue more vomitting as my dog has issues in small intestines sounds like yours has issues in large intestines it is getting stopped up down their due to diet.

Many dogs that have allergies also have IBD - ibd is a food intolerance which is different than food allergy. It is more tied to inflammation of the GI tract. If you think about it if something gets inflamed it can get stuck or it can be so inflamed something goes straight through without being processed.

If this were my dog I would personally do the venison and sweet potato for 12 weeks and supplement with the coconut oil as it is a natural antibacterial and antifungal and it is a good natural oil that can help move things along. It is excellent for allergy dogs too as my allergy dog takes it and when i stopped for a year she got a staph infection so back on it.

I would also get lactulose and if your dog has an episode of constipation i would use the lactulose as i know it works well for liver shunt dogs who have a hard time releasing toxins.

It seems the mylicon is more for gas than constipation

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by sferrini

The thing I don't understand is the turkey I was feeding her was from Wellness and I bought it at Petco. I wasn't feeding her home made turkey, why would they sell something dogs can't eat?

uh hello gf the whole pet food recall lolll

Some dogs can eat turkey and it not be a problem but ibd and food allergy dogs should not have poultry

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by sferrini

I was feeding her Natural Balance Duck and Potato until we found out that she is allergic to potato. The problem with the other ones that you suggested is that they contain potato protein so she can't have them. Believe me I have done my research.:-).

I am cutting back on the pumpkin, because, yes, I have read about the diarrhea so I am giving more sweet potato. She is also allergic to rice and this I know not by an allergy test but when I was feeding her the Blue Buffalo she would start itching almost immediately.

The chicken seems to be working fine and when I first brought her into my home she was eating ceasars chicken/beef stuff.

I just want to feed her a better source of food than that.

she is not allergic to potato as allergy dogs are only allergic to proteins as the protein is the allergent. She may be intolerant to potato which inflames her intestinal tract. Was she fine on the little cesars or having these same issues? Duck and potato is way more white potato matter of fact all white potato and why it was your problem as it was inflaming the intestinal tract. Venison and sweet potato has mostly sweet potato and a little bit of white in it but no where near like the duck and white potato. My dogs vomit on white potato all three of them and why i think dogs with ibd do much better on grain based diets but then you have the allergy factor. Sometimes you have to just go with what works so was the food she was eating when you got her working? Sometimes we borrow trouble when we are searching around for the best foods. Have you looked into honest kitchen food at all - the preference is a good choice for allergy dogs and then you can add in your protein you want to use.

If what you are doing is working then great stick to it and make sure your dog is getting a balanced diet. Many on here like susan davis she is a licensed nutritionist who graduated from ucdavis which is the only vet school for nutrition emphasis that i am aware of in the us. Her website is Holistic Veterinarian Pet Nutritionist Holistic Pet Care - the only issue i have is she does recommend potato in ibd dogs and i am against that since i have 3 dogs and all three vomit when i give them any white potato as i use to pill my dog with white potato and she did fine but my other two vomit it up even my healthy maltese. Now after my yorkie had a bout of colitis from metacam incident she vomits white potato as that drug affected her intestinal tract and she has been jacked up ever since.

[sferrini]

Originally Posted by dwerten

uh hello gf the whole pet food recall lolll

Some dogs can eat turkey and it not be a problem but ibd and food allergy dogs should not have poultry

I know about the whole pet recall and that is exactly why I am wondering why? That just seems kind of silly and Wellness is a good brand.

[sferrini]

Originally Posted by dwerten

Colitis in Dogs

check this information out on colitis sounds to me to be the problem and ibd and colitis are very similar in nature it is an inflamed bowel.

I would not feed a poultry especially with an allergy dog. i have an allergy dog and an ibd dog both are yorkies. I know alot about this stuff. Constipation has never been an issue more vomitting as my dog has issues in small intestines sounds like yours has issues in large intestines it is getting stopped up down their due to diet.

Many dogs that have allergies also have IBD - ibd is a food intolerance which is different than food allergy. It is more tied to inflammation of the GI tract. If you think about it if something gets inflamed it can get stuck or it can be so inflamed something goes straight through without being processed.

If this were my dog I would personally do the venison and sweet potato for 12 weeks and supplement with the coconut oil as it is a natural antibacterial and antifungal and it is a good natural oil that can help move things along. It is excellent for allergy dogs too as my allergy dog takes it and when i stopped for a year she got a staph infection so back on it.

I would also get lactulose and if your dog has an episode of constipation i would use the lactulose as i know it works well for liver shunt dogs who have a hard time releasing toxins.

It seems the mylicon is more for gas than constipation

ok, here's the thing.

When we first brought Miracle home she was pregnant, a week later she had her babies, when we started to wean them in August I started to change her diet because I wanted her off the Ceasars. She did not appear to be having any problems with it but I just wanted her and read on this site that it was best to put her on a premium dog food. So I put her on Blue Buffalo and chicken and garden veggies, one of the items that was in this that was not in the Blue Buffalo was rice. So after talking to the vet we switched her to Duck and Potato, along with zrytec and she had been on steroids, If I took her off of the zrytec she would start itching again.

We then performed an allergy test (RASH) testing, some seem to go by this and other's say they do not work. I know that for me they worked but I am human and not a doggy so. I myself have MANY food allergies so I know the differences between food allergy and intolerance. I also know about being misdiagnosed as they thought I had IBS and in reality I have Celiac Disease which mean you body (small intestens) can't break down gluten.

Anyway, when I put her on this turkey food the girl told me I could feed this to her mixed with raw venison (actually two people told me this) that is what I did and that is when the problem started.

I read this can a few days ago and it says to use it as a mixer or a supplement. Not sure if that made a difference but it just doesn't sound like it is to given as food. The other thing I found out is that I am a bad mommy and have been feeding her more than I should be. She would eat so much off the duck and potato because they removed some of the ingredients out of it that helps to fill them up (I found this also on this site) so when I switched I was feeding her way more than she should be getting.

Since Friday we changed her diet to chicken, sweet potato/pumpkin and green beans. I have backed off of the mylicon and she is doing 100% better.

I think that trying the elmination diet which is what both vets and folks on this site have both suggested is where we should start at.

I'm not saying that she does not have IBS or colitis as I researched both of them and it is worth me checking into but I think that rather than put her through a bunch of tests right now, see how she does for a couple of days.

My other thing is that the ceasars had chicken in it and she did not have a problem with it. She has never had a problem with constipation until last Sunday. Usually with IBS and other gastroal problems there is something before it usually doesn't just come on, is it different in dogs? Also, she has not has not had any vomiting at all nor has she had any diarrhea. I looked at the symptoms for both and the only thing she had that is listed on them is the constipation. Do you really think that she could have one of these?

I will go and buy the lactulose and keep that around just in case, it sounds like this comes better recommended from all of you.

I hope that you do not think I am brushing this off or not taking your advice especially since I asked for it but I just want to wait a couple of days and see how she does.

[sferrini]

Originally Posted by dwerten

she is not allergic to potato as allergy dogs are only allergic to proteins as the protein is the allergent. She may be intolerant to potato which inflames her intestinal tract. Was she fine on the little cesars or having these same issues? Duck and potato is way more white potato matter of fact all white potato and why it was your problem as it was inflaming the intestinal tract. Venison and sweet potato has mostly sweet potato and a little bit of white in it but no where near like the duck and white potato. My dogs vomit on white potato all three of them and why i think dogs with ibd do much better on grain based diets but then you have the allergy factor. Sometimes you have to just go with what works so was the food she was eating when you got her working? Sometimes we borrow trouble when we are searching around for the best foods. Have you looked into honest kitchen food at all - the preference is a good choice for allergy dogs and then you can add in your protein you want to use.

If what you are doing is working then great stick to it and make sure your dog is getting a balanced diet. Many on here like susan davis she is a licensed nutritionist who graduated from ucdavis which is the only vet school for nutrition emphasis that i am aware of in the us. Her website is Holistic Veterinarian Pet Nutritionist Holistic Pet Care - the only issue i have is she does recommend potato in ibd dogs and i am against that since i have 3 dogs and all three vomit when i give them any white potato as i use to pill my dog with white potato and she did fine but my other two vomit it up even my healthy maltese. Now after my yorkie had a bout of colitis from metacam incident she vomits white potato as that drug affected her intestinal tract and she has been jacked up ever since.

I know some go by allergy tests and other's do not but on the allergy test Potato came up as 73, but I'm not a vet nor do I know much about dog allergies as I am just learning but I know that is kind of high. I can only go by my experience with myself and when I eat something I am allergic to. I also know that when she was eating it she was still itching if I did not give her a zyrtec. She has been off the zyrtec since I switched her diet on Saturday and she has not itched.

[WinstonMom]

One of my dogs has allergies and I now feed Orijen 5 fist formula, fish is the only source of protein in it, it is grain free and my dogs have never looked (or smelled better). Fish is really easy to digest and no grains is good, lots of dogs are allergic to flax. I used to feed Evo but my dogs smelled really bad when they were eating that.

[sferrini]

Originally Posted by dwerten

uh hello gf the whole pet food recall lolll

Some dogs can eat turkey and it not be a problem but ibd and food allergy dogs should not have poultry

UGH!! this is so aggravating. Miracle is still doing good but now I hear to find the TRUE allergy I need to feed her something she has NEVER had before start with that and than add things to it.

So now I am suppose to take her off the chicken and feed her Venison and Sweet Potatos (looks like I should just have you be my vet) as you stated, so here I go switching her diet again. I am a little nervous but I will do it slowly.

The Vet at Petco said she should be fine for 3 months with no supplement, i.e. vitamins but my vet said it would be good to add them. What do you think?

I am (will be) giving her just venison and sweet potato along with carrots for treats. I am feeding her 1/3 cup food per day. She weighs 7.8 lbs and does not get a lot of excerise with the exception of play.

Please let me know your thoughts.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by sferrini

UGH!! this is so aggravating. Miracle is still doing good but now I hear to find the TRUE allergy I need to feed her something she has NEVER had before start with that and than add things to it.

So now I am suppose to take her off the chicken and feed her Venison and Sweet Potatos (looks like I should just have you be my vet) as you stated, so here I go switching her diet again. I am a little nervous but I will do it slowly.

The Vet at Petco said she should be fine for 3 months with no supplement, i.e. vitamins but my vet said it would be good to add them. What do you think?

I am (will be) giving her just venison and sweet potato along with carrots for treats. I am feeding her 1/3 cup food per day. She weighs 7.8 lbs and does not get a lot of excerise with the exception of play.

Please let me know your thoughts.

no carrots just feed the food - you need to go very basic so you can figure out the problem and do it for 12 weeks no supplements right now nothing - if you have too much going on you will not be able to figure the problem out - just treat with the food they do not know the difference at least my three do not lol

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by sferrini

I know some go by allergy tests and other's do not but on the allergy test Potato came up as 73, but I'm not a vet nor do I know much about dog allergies as I am just learning but I know that is kind of high. I can only go by my experience with myself and when I eat something I am allergic to. I also know that when she was eating it she was still itching if I did not give her a zyrtec. She has been off the zyrtec since I switched her diet on Saturday and she has not itched.

blood cannot determine food allergy only environmental allergies so you have to do elimination diet to determine food. Home cooking is best but if you cannot home cook then do the natural balance - it does have flax in it and yes some dogs can be allergic to flaxseed but i still think it is the best food for allergy dogs so worth a shot

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by sferrini

ok, here's the thing.

When we first brought Miracle home she was pregnant, a week later she had her babies, when we started to wean them in August I started to change her diet because I wanted her off the Ceasars. She did not appear to be having any problems with it but I just wanted her and read on this site that it was best to put her on a premium dog food. So I put her on Blue Buffalo and chicken and garden veggies, one of the items that was in this that was not in the Blue Buffalo was rice. So after talking to the vet we switched her to Duck and Potato, along with zrytec and she had been on steroids, If I took her off of the zrytec she would start itching again.

We then performed an allergy test (RASH) testing, some seem to go by this and other's say they do not work. I know that for me they worked but I am human and not a doggy so. I myself have MANY food allergies so I know the differences between food allergy and intolerance. I also know about being misdiagnosed as they thought I had IBS and in reality I have Celiac Disease which mean you body (small intestens) can't break down gluten.

Anyway, when I put her on this turkey food the girl told me I could feed this to her mixed with raw venison (actually two people told me this) that is what I did and that is when the problem started.

I read this can a few days ago and it says to use it as a mixer or a supplement. Not sure if that made a difference but it just doesn't sound like it is to given as food. The other thing I found out is that I am a bad mommy and have been feeding her more than I should be. She would eat so much off the duck and potato because they removed some of the ingredients out of it that helps to fill them up (I found this also on this site) so when I switched I was feeding her way more than she should be getting.

Since Friday we changed her diet to chicken, sweet potato/pumpkin and green beans. I have backed off of the mylicon and she is doing 100% better.

I think that trying the elmination diet which is what both vets and folks on this site have both suggested is where we should start at.

I'm not saying that she does not have IBS or colitis as I researched both of them and it is worth me checking into but I think that rather than put her through a bunch of tests right now, see how she does for a couple of days.

My other thing is that the ceasars had chicken in it and she did not have a problem with it. She has never had a problem with constipation until last Sunday. Usually with IBS and other gastroal problems there is something before it usually doesn't just come on, is it different in dogs? Also, she has not has not had any vomiting at all nor has she had any diarrhea. I looked at the symptoms for both and the only thing she had that is listed on them is the constipation. Do you really think that she could have one of these?

I will go and buy the lactulose and keep that around just in case, it sounds like this comes better recommended from all of you.

I hope that you do not think I am brushing this off or not taking your advice especially since I asked for it but I just want to wait a couple of days and see how she does.

stick to what works if the chicken is working stick with it you know your dog best so do what works. yes if she is tolerating chicken stick with it and if she tolerated cesars and it had chicken follow that ingredient as well - I think yes you need to try to feed a good diet BUT if it is working there are many dogs that live long lives on crappy food so while i prefer better foods and not vet foods sometimes vet foods like with my dog and crappy food work for certain dogs so you have to stick to what works best for your dog.

I would never mix RAW with a regular food you either feed raw or you feed other do not mix or you may be borrowing trouble as well -

Dogs have a smaller intestinal tract and why they tolerate raw better than humans as the food does not sit in the digestive tract as long so less likely to get ecoli or salmonella but if your dog gets constipated then this is not good as the food will sit too long and cause issues. If the raw has too much bone in it then it will stop up the dog so it depends on what raw you are feeding but mixing with another food I would NEVER recommend. Some say it is a falacy but i just would not mix raw. It takes 2 hrs for the food to digest and why when you give pills it is 2 hrs after eating or one hour before eating as the pill takes 1 hr to activate and food 2 hrs to get out of stomach so pill can go on empty stomach.

You really need to stick to what works and give it time and not bounce around to a bunch of different things. In having an allergy dog myself you have to really step back and do one thing at a time and when you get a good combo you stick with it until it no longer works. Keep the lactulose on hand and go with what works

I would not do carrots in a dog like this unless steaming and mashing up as carrots go through whole they cannot digest vegetables unless juiced or food processed as they have a smaller tract again and the cellular wall has to be broken down for the dog to absorb. Also with hard carrots you run the chance of them choking. Again i would go very basic with this dog and once you get the diet figured out i would stick with it. Dogs that have issues should not be getting a bunch of treats, etc

I hope this helps and i would never think you were brushing off info as you have to get all the info and process it and do what is what you think is best. All we can do is throw a bunch of options out there as to what exeprience we have and you need to choose with your vet the best options keeping in mind vets take one nutrition class so they know very little about it

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by sferrini

I know about the whole pet recall and that is exactly why I am wondering why? That just seems kind of silly and Wellness is a good brand.

just because it is a good brand does not mean it is the right diet for your dog. Unless you are making it yourself and know what is going into food it is very tough to really know what brand is good or not i think personally as the whole pet food industry scares me but i am too afraid to homecook and work full time so until I feel i can get a proper balanced diet and have time to keep up I have to do what i have to do for mine the best i can

[dwerten]

when having intestinal issues there really are no tests other than scoping which i would not do unless ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. You just need to do xray rule out blockage and then do trial and error with food. Honestly if this were my dog and it was doing great on little cesars and no issues i would feed that but if what is working now is working stick to that.

I hope this helps as i know you are very frustrated and i have been there with my allergy dog and my dog that almost died of intestinal and pancreatic issues so it is frustrating but try to hang in there it will all work itself out in time just be patient and we are here to try to help

[sferrini]

Originally Posted by dwerten

blood cannot determine food allergy only environmental allergies so you have to do elimination diet to determine food. Home cooking is best but if you cannot home cook then do the natural balance - it does have flax in it and yes some dogs can be allergic to flaxseed but i still think it is the best food for allergy dogs so worth a shot

ok. I can do the home cooking. I would much rather prefer to that and when all is said and done, I would like to be able to feed all 3 the same thing.

Thank you.