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Old 09-29-2009, 07:56 AM   #1
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Ok when I took home my baby from the breeder last Monday we went to the vet that Tuesday with a fecal sample. He told me my baby had a tapeworm and coccidia. Well doing research extensively on both, I'm getting a feeling she didnt have coccidia. She does have the tapeworm because I've seen the "rice" segments in her poo. But the coccidia just doesnt seem right. She didnt have any symptoms of it so I'm confused. I saw that she can get it from the stress of coming to a new home but can that really happen overnight. I got her Monday at 6pm and we went to the vet Tuesday at 3pm and the fecal sample was taken that night around midnight. Is it possible that she has coccidia, it just dont seem right. Any/all advice welcomed and thank you in advance
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I havent noticed any fleas on her and was told tapeworms come from fleas. Just confused
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its possible she picked both of those things up at the breeders. If the vet said she has coccidea its most likely because he saw the eggs in the stool sample. she doesn't necessarily have to have the bad signs of coccidea to actually have it. Or it might have already been clearing up when you took her in (maybe the breeder was already deworming her for it and didn't tell you?). Also your pup doesn't have to have fleas to get tapeworms. i'd just continue to give her the meds and then retest her stool when they are done. no harm in that.
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In regards to the tape worm, your baby might never have had a flea on her self, but if the mommy had fleas or fleas in the breeders house and the baby injested it, etc then the baby could have gotten the tape worm from that.

When we got Cooper he had tape worms but NEVER had a flea that we had seen and I figured out on my own it was tape worms because the breeder had said a couple of times about what type of flea prevention to use because it had been the worst year for fleas, etc, and we figure that is where he got them even though he had NO flea dander or actual fleas himself.
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My personal opinion is that many vets diagnose with coccidia and giardia so they can sell more meds.
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My personal opinion is that many vets diagnose with coccidia and giardia so they can sell more meds.
That's what I'm thinkng too because I trust the breeder I got Autumn from and believe that her dogs didnt have this. I visited her home and saw all the pups and parents and they seem very well taken care of. Time to search for a better vet. I dont like medication for myself so I definatley dont like unneccessary meds for my little girl she's only 3lbs and medications are so strong. Thanks again
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i got my puppy with whipworms and the breeder had no idea she had them. she didn't show any signs of having worms and she didn't think any of the other dogs did either. turns out the eggs were in her stool when they tested the sample. i never saw any evidence of worms. i did look at the stool sample myself so i know they were there.

anyway, all i'm saying is that your puppy may very well have these worms even if your breeder doesn't think she does.
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i got my puppy with whipworms and the breeder had no idea she had them. she didn't show any signs of having worms and she didn't think any of the other dogs did either. turns out the eggs were in her stool when they tested the sample. i never saw any evidence of worms. i did look at the stool sample myself so i know they were there.

anyway, all i'm saying is that your puppy may very well have these worms even if your breeder doesn't think she does.
Funny how the vets even invite people to look for themselves. Easy enough to have planted them. JMO

I sold 4 puppies, all raised together, two went to the same home.

According to the various vets.

One puppy had NO worms
one puppy had giardia
two puppies had hook worms.

Non of mine showed any sign of worms at all. No diahrrea, nothing in the stools.

My dogs are not exposed to other dogs feces, or any other animal feces. when I take then to the vet I do not alllow them to walk on the floor, I insist that the scale be sanitized before I put my dog on it.




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Funny how the vets even invite people to look for themselves. Easy enough to have planted them. JMO

I am a vet tech. i checked myself after the vet and another tech checked.

sure my situation is unique and even if i didn't personally check i still would have trusted the vets i worked with. not everyone can say the same about the trust in their vets. i won't argue that some vets are shady and like to give out crap or charge excessively because i know some crappy vets that do it.

edit: and i just have to laugh at your term "planted". most of the time the techs run the fecal and heartworm tests. they have no reason to lie. it doesn't pad their pockets....believe me... sometimes however there is a mistake and tests are confused. with a fecal sample the techs usually won't think twice about it (heartworms are a different story). they'll just say they found so and so to the vet and the vet will tell them to get so and so prescription to give to the owner.
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Spike has Coccidia, What my vet told me is that it is indeed a parasite but it's nothing to worry about unless the dog starts having symptoms. It's hard to get rid of and isn't worth it if the dog isn't having the symptoms. Some dogs can go through their whole lives having it and not having any symptoms at all. Spike's never had a symptom so i'm not going to worry about it unless he starts getting sick. Hope I helped!
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Spike has Coccidia, What my vet told me is that it is indeed a parasite but it's nothing to worry about unless the dog starts having symptoms. It's hard to get rid of and isn't worth it if the dog isn't having the symptoms. Some dogs can go through their whole lives having it and not having any symptoms at all. Spike's never had a symptom so i'm not going to worry about it unless he starts getting sick. Hope I helped!
Well while researcching it I learned that it lies dormant in their system, but that stress can trigger it. Stress like a car ride, a new home etc.

Which might be why so many new owners have to deal with it and the breeder doesn't have any signs of it.

But I still think many vets just diagnos it to sell the meds. Especially a vet who charges $90 for an office visit and an antibiotic, when he had just seen the puppy the day before.

My personal Dr does not charge that much.
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get a second opinion on i was told my little girl had it to and i took a sample to another vet and he didn't see a thing and she has been completely fine we need to watch these vets and not trust them so much they do try to get more money out of us any way they can.
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get a second opinion on i was told my little girl had it to and i took a sample to another vet and he didn't see a thing and she has been completely fine we need to watch these vets and not trust them so much they do try to get more money out of us any way they can.
The thing with Coccidia is that the sample needs to contain "oocites" or eggs, when tested, and the dog or puppy may not be sedding it all the time in every single stool sample taken.
Also the fact that a dog or a puppy has tested positive for it does mean it is affected or will ever be affected by it, just means it is a carrier.
The medication given, "ALBON" in most cases is very safe and will cause no harm of given under the right directions of a vet, because coccidia can KILL A PUPPY and can make a puppy so weak, it is worthy to follow the vets instructions and go ahead and give it.
It is not profitable to any vet to prescribe a course of Albon unnecessarily , it only costs between 12.00 to 18.00 dollars per puppy if you buy it at the vets office. That being said, which vet would be willing to put his/her reputation in line for such little money? Specially if you already paid for a fecal exam and a wellness visit/ physical ? It makes no sense to say that the vets will "invent" that puppies have worms.
Worms and coccidia and other parasites can be dormant in the puppy's body and only show up after the stress of the ride to a forever home, separation from the mom and siblings etc... that is probably the main reason why it will show in a fecal exam done by the new owner.

PREVENTION is much cheaper than treatment. If you were BLESSED ENOUGH to have taken the right sample to your vet, where he/she saw eggs, larvae or worms or else... BE THANKFUL and go ahead and prevent further heart aches.

I have had my share of "FITS" with vets, but the majority of the vets will always have the best interest of the pets and pet owners in mind.

If People start breaking the VET x PET OWNER trusting relationship that can turn really bad.

We are seeing so much improvement on animal medicine, pets are living longer than ever and with so much new technology and preventative approach our pets have a longer, healthier life and that is also rewarding and fulfilling for the pet owners and families too.

We need to be very careful, specially in a forum like this.
As a breeder i put in my contract that every new family is responsible to take their puppy / dog regularly to the vets and actually that is a deal breaker for me. If people loose their thrust and become discouraged to bring their animals to the vets it will not be a good thing.

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i think you might want to get a second opinion, but all in all, i would far more trust my vet than most of the stuff i read online. that being said things like nutrition and dog food i trust my own judgement because i don't think vets are training in nutrition and do try to sell Science Diet and Royal Canin too much and i don't like that stuff for mine.

anyways if you don't think you can trust this vet, it's time to find one you can, and if you find one you do trust, ask for tons of references and then put faith in him/her and let it go and let them do their job!!

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Thanks for all the advice on this subject so far. My friend just took her cat to the same vet and guess what?...He has coccidia and tapeworm... what are the odds of that. I know that it can be possible but it just sounds a little fishy and her vet bill ended up being 173 dollars that was so crazy so Im not too sure what to think of ths vet but I will be looking around for another one. I do take advice from this forum but not to the extreme that I wont take my baby to a vet, i just like hearing opinions and how others deal with different situations with their babies so i can get kind of an idea of what to do. Thanks again to all on this subject
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The thing with Coccidia is that the sample needs to contain "oocites" or eggs, when tested, and the dog or puppy may not be sedding it all the time in every single stool sample taken.
Also the fact that a dog or a puppy has tested positive for it does mean it is affected or will ever be affected by it, just means it is a carrier.
The medication given, "ALBON" in most cases is very safe and will cause no harm of given under the right directions of a vet, because coccidia can KILL A PUPPY and can make a puppy so weak, it is worthy to follow the vets instructions and go ahead and give it.
It is not profitable to any vet to prescribe a course of Albon unnecessarily , it only costs between 12.00 to 18.00 dollars per puppy if you buy it at the vets office. That being said, which vet would be willing to put his/her reputation in line for such little money? Specially if you already paid for a fecal exam and a wellness visit/ physical ? It makes no sense to say that the vets will "invent" that puppies have worms.
Worms and coccidia and other parasites can be dormant in the puppy's body and only show up after the stress of the ride to a forever home, separation from the mom and siblings etc... that is probably the main reason why it will show in a fecal exam done by the new owner.

PREVENTION is much cheaper than treatment. If you were BLESSED ENOUGH to have taken the right sample to your vet, where he/she saw eggs, larvae or worms or else... BE THANKFUL and go ahead and prevent further heart aches.

I have had my share of "FITS" with vets, but the majority of the vets will always have the best interest of the pets and pet owners in mind.

If People start breaking the VET x PET OWNER trusting relationship that can turn really bad.

We are seeing so much improvement on animal medicine, pets are living longer than ever and with so much new technology and preventative approach our pets have a longer, healthier life and that is also rewarding and fulfilling for the pet owners and families too.

We need to be very careful, specially in a forum like this.
As a breeder i put in my contract that every new family is responsible to take their puppy / dog regularly to the vets and actually that is a deal breaker for me. If people loose their thrust and become discouraged to bring their animals to the vets it will not be a good thing.

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Don't be so nieve. Not only vets, but family Drs will order tests etc if they get more money from it.

The vet is not ruining his reputation because he is erroring on the safe side. No harm is done to the puppy and he made money off the meds and the follow up checks.

Why do vest routinely ask for stool samples if there is no sign of illness? My vet doesn't ask for them.

Unless the puppy had diarrhea or some other symptom, why would they check the stool. Especially since they already know that finding them in the stool does not mean that they are infested with them (they could be carriers) and also NOT finding them in the stool does not mean that they don't have them.
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