Coccidia confusion

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by danyellm

I am the breeder that Autumn came from..When I first learned of the diagnosis needless to say I was in shock.Autumns mom had a fecal test done days before delivery (when we had our x-ray)it came out negative.Pups were also wormed 2x .Mine are also all on frontline plus,and interceptor which they get 10 months out of the year.I am not sure how Autumn ended up with this diagnosis when all her siblings had all clear check ups and we have had a flea in my home in almost 5 years(before yorkies but when we had indoor/outdoor cats).It does give me some hesitation with this vets diagnosis but I had offered to refund med costs as well as a full refund of the puppy if she had wanted to return her if she had any doubt of Autumns health.
I think in some situations a second opinion could be beneficial.

If you read the account of my experience in post #29, you will see why I was in disbeleif as well.

Thank you for posting this.

Something like this can damage a breeders reputation.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

If a person states something I believe to be totally inaccurate, I am going to post what I believe. If they take the defensive, then that is their problem, not mine.

Stating that you disagree with someone is totally different than attacking the person. I disagree with what you say but have made no personal attacks on you.

I also believe it is wrong to rephrase what someone wrote to make it sound like they said something that they did not say.

That is why it is good to quote the person or make reference to the post number so others can read for themselves what the actual words were.

And that is precisely why I repeat my self in these threads because some people are famous for rephrasing things and taking things out of context. You know, like reporters frequently do to make a politician look bad.

I have been chastised several times in this thread for telling the OP "NOT TO TAKE THE PUPPY TO THE VET, OR NOT TO LISTEN TO THE VET".

If anyone can quote exactly where I said that I will humbly applologize to everyone reading this, for having given such terrible advice.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by kalina82

most vets do not buy meds from places on the internet that the general public can order from as well.

No they do not, they can get them even cheaper. they are the exact same products from the exact same manufacturers. But they get them in much larger quantities, probably directly from the manufacturer. They do not have to go through a third party.

Panaur
Albon and
Flagyl

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Stating that you disagree with someone is totally different than attacking the person. I disagree with what you say but have made no personal attacks on you.

I also believe it is wrong to rephrase what someone wrote to make it sound like they said something that they did not say.

That is why it is good to quote the person or make reference to the post number so others can read for themselves what the actual words were.

And that is precisely why I repeat my self in these threads because some people are famous for rephrasing things and taking things out of context. You know, like reporters frequently do to make a politician look bad.

I have been chastised several times in this thread for telling the OP "NOT TO TAKE THE PUPPY TO THE VET, OR NOT TO LISTEN TO THE VET".

If anyone can quote exactly where I said that I will humbly applologize to everyone reading this, for having given such terrible advice.

I missed where you were chastised for telling the OP "NOT TO TAKE THE PUPPY TO THE VET, OR TO LISTEN TO THE VET". I note that you quoted someone....I surely do not think that was a quote from me.

I DO, however, feel that you said a lot of negative things about vets in general that might lead to someone not trusting vets, especially the PLANTING of worms or whatever it was in fecal samples in order to make more money from prescriptions. As I said before....just incredulous.

Yes, you are correct about reputations.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

No they do not, they can get them even cheaper. they are the exact same products from the exact same manufacturers. But they get them in much larger quantities, probably directly from the manufacturer. They do not have to go through a third party.

Panaur
Albon and
Flagyl

These are all cheap for small dogs anyway. I seriously do NOT get any of this.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I missed where you were chastised for telling the OP "NOT TO TAKE THE PUPPY TO THE VET, OR TO LISTEN TO THE VET". I note that you quoted someone....I surely do not think that was a quote from me.

I DO, however, feel that you said a lot of negative things about vets in general that might lead to someone not trusting vets, especially the PLANTING of worms or whatever it was in fecal samples in order to make more money from prescriptions. As I said before....just incredulous.

Yes, you are correct about reputations.

Post #27

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

These are all cheap for small dogs anyway. I seriously do NOT get any of this.

This discussion was not with you. It was with Kalina82. I really do not get where she is going with this either.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Post #27

Here is my EXACT quote...and yes, I do believe that you led her to believe her vet is a crackpot as you feel about many vets.....unbelievable that you think they conspire to rip people off. I am finished with this...seems to be a common thing lately.
Wonder what the real agenda is?

think what you want and do what you want, just don't tell people not to listen to their vets when their dogs are infected with something. coccidea and even the common round worm can kill a puppy if left untreated.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

This discussion was not with you. It was with Kalina82. I really do not get where she is going with this either.

If you do not want people to respond to your posts, then use PM!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

If you do not want people to respond to your posts, then use PM!

Where did I say that I did not want people to respond to my posts. You said that you did not get any of this. I said that the discussion was not with you and that I did not get it either. But she brought it up so I responded to it.

This might sound a bit paranoid, but it seems that some people are now trying to make everything I post sound bad or negative or wrong or unbleievable.

I'm not really a paranoid person but some of these responses to my posts are a bit out there.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Where did I say that I did not want people to respond to my posts. You said that you did not get any of this. I said that the discussion was not with you and that I did not get it either. But she brought it up so I responded to it.

This might sound a bit paranoid, but it seems that some people are now trying to make everything I post sound bad or negative or wrong or unbleievable.

I'm not really a paranoid person but some of these responses to my posts are a bit out there.

No one is trying to make anything sound like anything but what it is. I personally find the remarks you made about professionals to be, as you said, out there. I guess some people will agree with you, but I doubt many. It is your opinion....and I have mine.

In the end we all own just what we put into print.

Now, as I said, I am finished with this thread. I only posted in the first place because I felt the veterinary profession was being maligned. I said what I felt and stand by every word of what I said.

I would not have the happy, healthy pups I have if not for a wonderful vet!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Here is my EXACT quote...and yes, I do believe that you led her to believe her vet is a crackpot as you feel about many vets.....unbelievable that you think they conspire to rip people off. I am finished with this...seems to be a common thing lately.
Wonder what the real agenda is?

think what you want and do what you want, just don't tell people not to listen to their vets when their dogs are infected with something. coccidea and even the common round worm can kill a puppy if left untreated.

I do believe that some vets are crack pots. I do not believe that mine is.

Whose agenda?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

No one is trying to make anything sound like anything but what it is. I would not say NO ONE, when someone is questioning everything I post, to where even you did not understand where those comments were going. I personally find the remarks you made about professionals to be, as you said, out there. I guess some people will agree with you, but I doubt many. It is your opinion....and I have mine.

My opinions were base on personal experience. If you had experienced the same thing, you might have different opinions. Each of us are the sum of our experiences so each of us looks at things differently.

In the end we all own just what we put into print.

I take ownership of what I write, but not of what others have rephrased.



Now, as I said, I am finished with this thread. I only posted in the first place because I felt the veterinary profession was being maligned. I said what I felt and stand by every word of what I said.

And so do I

I would not have the happy, healthy pups I have if not for a wonderful vet!

Fortunately I have not needed a vet to make my puppies healthy, they have arrived healthy and remained healthy.

My vets own words, when I had the puppies in for their health checks before going to their new homes was. "It is so nice to see such healthy puppies."

I trust my vet, I do not trust all vets.

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

This discussion was not with you. It was with Kalina82. I really do not get where she is going with this either.

Obviously...

i'm done with this as well. its pointless for me to argue with you about the veterinary field in which i have first hand knowledge of. what you think are opinions of mine, are indeed fact, whether you want to believe them or not. a lot of your statements are wrong and i tried to correct them so that other people reading this thread will not be confused by your ridiculous statements. say whatever else you want but i will no longer be responding since its pointless.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by kalina82

Obviously...

i'm done with this as well. its pointless for me to argue with you about the veterinary field in which i have first hand knowledge of. what you think are opinions of mine, are indeed fact, whether you want to believe them or not. a lot of your statements are wrong and i tried to correct them so that other people reading this thread will not be confused by your ridiculous statements. say whatever else you want but i will no longer be responding since its pointless.

I agreed with what you said, that vets do not get their meds from the same supply companies that we get them from off the internet, they probably get them directly from the manufacturers, but that we can get the same ones and I listed the names.

Ladyjane said she did not GET any of that and I Agreed with her that I had no idea where you were going with those comments.

So you are upset because I agreed with you??????????