Coccidia confusion

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

So, are you saying that the vets and the labs are in a conspiracy to fleece pet owners?

My vet sends fecals out to a lab.

I honestly cannot imagine a vet taking such a risk of losing his/her livelihood by doing something something like what you are saying; and to insinuate that it is widespread is very much a concern. Something of this nature is reportable to state boards! How much money do you really think vets would make doing this?

I am stunned that you make such accusations against a professional group!

I'm just giving you the facts. And no this vet did not send it to a lab, they looked at it under a microscope.

If all of these vets are so good and honest then why are people on YT constantly advising people not to listen to the vet, to listen to the YT breeders instead?

these vets are not risking anything because nothing can be proven and no harm is being done by prescribing the meds since they do no harm to the dog.

The medical profession orders unnecessry tests all the time. Especially those emplolyed by the big hospitals. You don't find it so much in private practice because those Dr's have nothing to gain from it.

It's no secret

You hear all the time about people on meds that they do not need. Dr's get benefits from drug companies.

So don't be telling me about professionals.

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Just for the record. I worm my puppies, and I have never had a sick puppy, nor have any of my buyers ever had a sick puppy.

Until this last time. One breeder said her puppy had giardia although it had no signs of it. Another buyer bought two puppis. Her vet said they both had hook worms, no giardia. Another buyer said her vet found no worms at all.

just because they have something doesn't mean they are going to show signs. I checked Morgan's vet records the other day to see when she had her puppy shots and i came across her first vet first records. She had whips and coccidea. all she had was diarrhea when i took her in and showed no other signs of anything being wrong. i was prescribed the proper medications, gave them to her and never had to deal with it again. I called the breeder and told her what morgan had and she said she had no idea morgan had these things when she left her house. obviously she did tho. you can take two stool samples from the same puppy and have eggs found in one sample, but none in the other. you are not going to find eggs in every sample. same goes with litter mates.

Now these puppies all ate the same food, drank the same water, nursed from the same mother. Yet the only two that had the same worms were the two that went to the same vet.

eating, drinking, and nursing from the same have nothing to do with it.

And still none of my dogs here showed any signs of anything.
so sure seems strange to me.

I did however make the decision to worm each and every dog again, just to be sure. Because I would never want to sell someone a sick puppy.

and that's a good thing.

You want to judge me for what I posted, when I have read post after post on here where someone has come on saying they want to breed dog X to dog Y, that the vet said it was ok, and the breeders and non breeders on here have torn them apart telling them not to listen to the vet cause he is not a breeder blah blah blah.

And time after time someone has asked about something that their vet had said one thing and they were told to get a second opinion.

And the Op said she took her dog to another vet and that vet found no signs of coccidia.

the topic of this thread and these two subjects you addressed are totally different. vets do not know the breed standard of every dog. it is not their concern. and you cannot know that what people come on here saying is true. sure they could have taken their female to the vet and asked if it was ok to breed to another yorkie and their vet said yes, because physically the dog is ok to be bred safely.

vets like doctors are not perfect. some are scum and will do anything to make a buck but that is not the case with all. some are also behind in the times, or fresh out of school so they don't have the experience or all the newest knowledge. that is why its good to sometimes get a second opinion. or if what your vet is doing isn't working and your concerned, its good to get a second opinion. you'd do the same if it was your health and your doctors.

however something like worms that can be easily tested and treated for a couple bucks is different. and to suggest that they would take the time to "plant" the eggs in a stool sample to make a few dollars is absurd. who has the time for that? they do not make money off stool samples and worm medication. its not worth the time or effort to fudge results to make 5 extra dollars.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I'm just giving you the facts. And no this vet did not send it to a lab, they looked at it under a microscope.

If all of these vets are so good and honest then why are people on YT constantly advising people not to listen to the vet, to listen to the YT breeders instead?

these vets are not risking anything because nothing can be proven and no harm is being done by prescribing the meds since they do no harm to the dog.

The medical profession orders unnecessry tests all the time. Especially those emplolyed by the big hospitals. You don't find it so much in private practice because those Dr's have nothing to gain from it.

It's no secret

You hear all the time about people on meds that they do not need. Dr's get benefits from drug companies.

So don't be telling me about professionals.

What facts? The facts according to JeanieK?

I can tell you this much....it will be a cold day in that hot place down below when I will get on YT and ask for emergency advice ... or call a breeder. If it is daytime, I call my vet. If it is nighttime or a weekend I will go to the EC. Of course, I do not go unless it is beyond my knowledge base which I do consider to be quite rounded.

As to why some people get on YT for medical/veterinary advice, let's be honest and call it like it is. They don't want to spend the money ... There are many who do that...it is not because they do not trust vets.

But...you are saying to me that a breeder has more knowledge than a vet? I would think that not too many reputable breeders will back you on that statement. Maybe I am wrong...who knows. I just think these facts of yours are incredulous.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by kalina82

however something like worms that can be easily tested and treated for a couple bucks is different. and to suggest that they would take the time to "plant" the eggs in a stool sample to make a few dollars is absurd. who has the time for that? they do not make money off stool samples and worm medication. its not worth the time or effort to fudge results to make 5 extra dollars.

Oh I forgot that statement...the "planting" .. Oh please that is just beyond incredulous.
I guess I will have to go check to see where my vet hides the coccidia to plant in stool samples so she can make a few extra bucks.
sheesh

[miikah rae]

I didnt mean for this topic to get so hectic..The only reason why I asked was because of the info that I got off the internet on coccidia I wasnt trying to take the easy way out and not go to the vet or was too cheap to take care of my baby. I just needed some advice from people that have the same breed of dog that i have. I would never take the word of another Yt member that has to do with serious health issues over a vet, i just wanted to see if any one else had the same problem or what they thought of the situation at hand. I made sure that Autumn was treated the day I found out all of this the vet gave me medication for both. it was just that she didnt have any symptoms and I read more on it and found out that she can be asymptomatic...also because my friends cat has the same exact things and we go to the same vet...I'm not accusing my vet of trying to get more money it just seemed a little fishy to me that's all....I'm new to this so i just needed some friendly advice or should I just say an ear to listen to what I've been told about my brand new addition to my family. I thought that was what this forum was for..

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by kalina82

just because they have something doesn't mean they are going to show signs. I checked Morgan's vet records the other day to see when she had her puppy shots and i came across her first vet first records. She had whips and coccidea. all she had was diarrhea when i took her in and showed no other signs of anything being wrong. i was prescribed the proper medications, gave them to her and never had to deal with it again. I called the breeder and told her what morgan had and she said she had no idea morgan had these things when she left her house. obviously she did tho. you can take two stool samples from the same puppy and have eggs found in one sample, but none in the other. you are not going to find eggs in every sample. same goes with litter mates.

Thes puppies had no signs, no diarrhea, no loose stools, nor did any of my other dogs,

eating, drinking, and nursing from the same have nothing to do with it.

Really, then why is it so contagious.

and that's a good thing.

the topic of this thread and these two subjects you addressed are totally different. vets do not know the breed standard of every dog. it is not their concern. and you cannot know that what people come on here saying is true. sure they could have taken their female to the vet and asked if it was ok to breed to another yorkie and their vet said yes, because physically the dog is ok to be bred safely.

vets like doctors are not perfect. some are scum and will do anything to make a buck but that is not the case with all. some are also behind in the times, or fresh out of school so they don't have the experience or all the newest knowledge. that is why its good to sometimes get a second opinion. or if what your vet is doing isn't working and your concerned, its good to get a second opinion. you'd do the same if it was your health and your doctors.

I'm glad we agree on something


however something like worms that can be easily tested and treated for a couple bucks is different. and to suggest that they would take the time to "plant" the eggs in a stool sample to make a few dollars is absurd. who has the time for that? they do not make money off stool samples and worm medication. its not worth the time or effort to fudge results to make 5 extra dollars.

I'm sure they don't do it for nothing. I Know what the meds cost when you buy from pet supply places on the internet and how much the vet charges for them. they make a lot of money from selling the meds.

Most people are not there when the test is done, so thereis no needto plantanything. The vet just tells them they have worms and need meds.

I have never taken in stool samples and have never had a sick puppy.

This is something that we are ever going to prove one way or another. I was just defending my position. So we may as well agree to disagree on this one.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by miikah rae

I didnt mean for this topic to get so hectic..The only reason why I asked was because of the info that I got off the internet on coccidia I wasnt trying to take the easy way out and not go to the vet or was too cheap to take care of my baby. I just needed some advice from people that have the same breed of dog that i have. I would never take the word of another Yt member that has to do with serious health issues over a vet, i just wanted to see if any one else had the same problem or what they thought of the situation at hand. I made sure that Autumn was treated the day I found out all of this the vet gave me medication for both. it was just that she didnt have any symptoms and I read more on it and found out that she can be asymptomatic...also because my friends cat has the same exact things and we go to the same vet...I'm not accusing my vet of trying to get more money it just seemed a little fishy to me that's all....I'm new to this so i just needed some friendly advice or should I just say an ear to listen to what I've been told about my brand new addition to my family. I thought that was what this forum was for..

I totally understand.

When a question is asked people should post their opinions, based on their experiences, and not worry about what other people have posted.

The OP can read through and learn.

Everyone has had different eperiences and therefore different knowledge. If one disagrees, all that is necessary is to state that you disagree and state why you disagree based on your own experience. There is no reason to pick another persons post apart

Most times there is no one right way, you just have to find the best fit.

Sorry that this has turned into such a circus.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by miikah rae

I didnt mean for this topic to get so hectic..The only reason why I asked was because of the info that I got off the internet on coccidia I wasnt trying to take the easy way out and not go to the vet or was too cheap to take care of my baby. I just needed some advice from people that have the same breed of dog that i have. I would never take the word of another Yt member that has to do with serious health issues over a vet, i just wanted to see if any one else had the same problem or what they thought of the situation at hand. I made sure that Autumn was treated the day I found out all of this the vet gave me medication for both. it was just that she didnt have any symptoms and I read more on it and found out that she can be asymptomatic...also because my friends cat has the same exact things and we go to the same vet...I'm not accusing my vet of trying to get more money it just seemed a little fishy to me that's all....I'm new to this so i just needed some friendly advice or should I just say an ear to listen to what I've been told about my brand new addition to my family. I thought that was what this forum was for..

You got exactly what you asked for....different opinions. Whether you agree or disagree with any of them is entirely up to you!

No one accused you of looking to save money. What I said about people who do that was in response to another comment made by a member about how people don't trust vets and must come to YT. I just found that to be inaccurate and said so. Many people DO come here not to spend money....I was not referring to you. Clearly you had gone to a vet already!

Welcome to YT and I am sorry you are taking things personal. Many things stated had nothing to do with you ... they were stated because I think it is a shame when people want to bad mouth the veterinary profession.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I totally understand.

When a question is asked people should post their opinions, based on their experiences, and not worry about what other people have posted.

The OP can read through and learn.

Everyone has had different eperiences and therefore different knowledge. If one disagrees, all that is necessary is to state that you disagree and state why you disagree based on your own experience. There is no reason to pick another persons post apart

Most times there is no one right way, you just have to find the best fit.

Sorry that this has turned into such a circus.

If a person states something I believe to be totally inaccurate, I am going to post what I believe. If they take the defensive, then that is their problem, not mine.

[miikah rae]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

You got exactly what you asked for....different opinions. Whether you agree or disagree with any of them is entirely up to you!

No one accused you of looking to save money. What I said about people who do that was in response to another comment made by a member about how people don't trust vets and must come to YT. I just found that to be inaccurate and said so. Many people DO come here not to spend money....I was not referring to you. Clearly you had gone to a vet already!

Welcome to YT and I am sorry you are taking things personal. Many things stated had nothing to do with you ... they were stated because I think it is a shame when people want to bad mouth the veterinary profession.

Oh I'm not taking things personal just wanted u to knw I am not those that do look for a cheaper way out. I'm just apologizing if anybody else's feelings were hurt over my topic of discussion. I am NOT afraid to hear others opinions and dont take things to heart I take what i can and leave what i cant. Thanks for the welcome

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by miikah rae

Oh I'm not taking things personal just wanted u to knw I am not those that do look for a cheaper way out. I'm just apologizing if anybody else's feelings were hurt over my topic of discussion. I am NOT afraid to hear others opinions and dont take things to heart I take what i can and leave what i cant. Thanks for the welcome

Oh...NO, I did not think you were looking for a cheaper way out at all!

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I'm sure they don't do it for nothing. I Know what the meds cost when you buy from pet supply places on the internet and how much the vet charges for them. they make a lot of money from selling the meds.

most vets do not buy meds from places on the internet that the general public can order from as well.

[danyellm]

I am the breeder that Autumn came from..When I first learned of the diagnosis needless to say I was in shock.Autumns mom had a fecal test done days before delivery (when we had our x-ray)it came out negative.Pups were also wormed 2x .Mine are also all on frontline plus,and interceptor which they get 10 months out of the year.I am not sure how Autumn ended up with this diagnosis when all her siblings had all clear check ups and we have had a flea in my home in almost 5 years(before yorkies but when we had indoor/outdoor cats).It does give me some hesitation with this vets diagnosis but I had offered to refund med costs as well as a full refund of the puppy if she had wanted to return her if she had any doubt of Autumns health.
I think in some situations a second opinion could be beneficial.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

What facts? The facts according to JeanieK?

The facts that I am referring to are exactly what I stated that happend in my own personl exeperience.

Do you have some knowledge of those instances that I am not aware of???????


I can tell you this much....it will be a cold day in that hot place down below when I will get on YT and ask for emergency advice ... or call a breeder. If it is daytime, I call my vet. If it is nighttime or a weekend I will go to the EC. Of course, I do not go unless it is beyond my knowledge base which I do consider to be quite rounded.

Yes it is clear that you believe it to be quite rounded


As to why some people get on YT for medical/veterinary advice, let's be honest and call it like it is. They don't want to spend the money ... There are many who do that...it is not because they do not trust vets.

I don't believe that people are coming on here as an alternative to going to the vet. They just want to see how others have dealt with the matter and to see if others think it is serious enough to go to the vet. Many have already been to the vet, such as this OP, and are wondering how others feel about the diagnosis.

But...you are saying to me that a breeder has more knowledge than a vet? I would think that not too many reputable breeders will back you on that statement. Maybe I am wrong...who knows. I just think these facts of yours are incredulous.

I stated that other people on here have clearly told people that their vet was wrong in saying that it was OK to mate dog X and dog Y.. I did not say that I or anyone else on here were smarter than the vet. See post #29

You wonder why I keep repeating myself in these threads, the reason is because you keep rephrasing it into something that I did not say. So I repeat it word for word so that other readers know EXACTLY what my words are and not YOUR interpretation of what I said.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

You got exactly what you asked for....different opinions. Whether you agree or disagree with any of them is entirely up to you!

No one accused you of looking to save money. What I said about people who do that was in response to another comment made by a member about how people don't trust vets and must come to YT. I just found that to be inaccurate and said so. Many people DO come here not to spend money....I was not referring to you. Clearly you had gone to a vet already!

Welcome to YT and I am sorry you are taking things personal. Many things stated had nothing to do with you ... they were stated because I think it is a shame when people want to bad mouth the veterinary profession.

And why wouldn't she take things personal. Look at your first sentence. I don't see that she asked for any of this bickering.

Who said that people MUST come to YT??? I must hasve missed that post.

I do not believe it is right to start knocking what other people have posted, just to say that one disagrees with it should be sufficient.

the OP can read for themselves and make up their own mind. But some people believe that their opinion needs to be pushed down peoples throats.

I gave my opinion based on a recent personal experience which I described in post #29