Need HELP! My Yorkie Babies are dying!

[wjones]

I'm relatively new to this and if I were this lady I wouldn't post here again. She was obviously hurting and needed some advice.

[ArmyWife313]

The problem is that this poster is not some "newbie" coming on here for friendly advice.
As Megansmomma said, she was on here last year looking for advice to breed her 10 month old girl on her first heat:
1) She bred Sassy at 10 months in Oct 2008 (first heat).
2) Sassy had a pup 12/27/2008.
3) She put the pup up for sale 3/11/2009.
4) Sassy has new pups born 9/1/2009.

And now because there are those who disagree with coddling her and encouraging her to continue breeding we are being horrible? How about we are trying to point out her past breeding experiences to those who may not have looked them up in order to give the whole picture.

She took Sassy to the vet and the vet told her to start all of this stuff for her pups? Where does it say she actually took the pups in to be diagnosed? One died the day before she posted her thread and yet she still didn't take the rest of the pups in? Before she ever "left" for her vet appt, she didn't reply to the questions of why she started them on certain meds and what else she had done, even though she posted after those questions were asked..
If anything, hopefully this thread will scare newbies away from wanting to breed irresponsibly as I don't know what else you would call this

Of course we all feel for the momma and the pups but that doesn't mean the owner needs to be encouraged in her breeding. One can only hope she gets Sassy spayed.

[chachi]

I didnt see anyone encouraging her to breed. Just giving sympathy

[Ladyhawk]

Originally Posted by chachi

I didnt see anyone encouraging her to breed. Just giving sympathy

If you closed your eyes and ran your car into a light pole I wouldn't feel very sympathetic. I'd be sorry if you got hurt but I would definitely tell you not to drive with your eyes closed. I feel this scenerio applies here.

I'm sorry the pups died, it's very sad. It still needs to be said however that one must be responsible and prepared when breeding. If you don't have money put away for the care of the mom and pups than don't breed. Breeding is not a necessity, it's a priviledge that comes with alot of responsibility. If anything good can come from the death of these pups hopefully it will be this lesson learned.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

If any hugs and kisses are needed, it is for the poor female who was bred twice in less than a year...and the poor puppies who were dying as she was sitting here typing and not going to a vet. One died the day BEFORE.
The OP had no problem selling puppies for $700 less than a year ago and now does not want to spend money on the next litter?

and...if no money was there..then surrender them to the vet or another breeder, or a rescue......don't sit there and let them cry and have a "death moan" (I quote the op there)
They were suffering!!!!!

Well said Linda, Some might think this post is harsh but if your eyes have seen what Linda has seen maybe you could understand. Being in rescue allows you to see the Ugly $$GREED$$ in this world. Some things will give you nightmares. When someone is posting that her pups have the death mown,what kind of reaction can you expect? We are sitting at our computers not able to help these puppies. And the poster is ON THE COMPUTER instead of driving to the Vet I hope and pray she will get this dog spayed. She has been given great advise not only from the reg YTmembers but from Sugars Mom who is a Breeder. Dee gave her phone number to this poster and told her to call whenever and was very concerned about these pups and the mother. This poster has been given the BEST advise.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by ArmyWife313

If anything, hopefully this thread will scare newbies away from wanting to breed irresponsibly as I don't know what else you would call this

Exactly! Far too many people think it is ok to be irresponsible.

If this had been children, she would have been arrested. Why is it OK to neglect any living beings?

[mommy9]

Originally Posted by chachi

It is obvious that some with the negative comments have never lost a newborn animal. I just lost two newborn kittens in two days and I dont think that makes me a bad person just one that is unexperienced with newborn animals.

Don't feel that bad..even those with lots of experience lose babies..and THAT is a fact. I can't take the "bashing" with this topic. No wonder people go to petstores to buy their puppies..and IF they want to "breed"(Heaven forbid!), they are chastised and given all the doom and gloom..but yet read all the HAPPY, PROUD stories from those that do breed! Why not EDUCATE the new breeder..not criticize?? The best breeders in MY opinion, are those that do not freak if a buyer says they want to breed..but mentors them. Many of long-lasting friendships have been made this very way.

[Pup-e-Love]

Originally Posted by mommy9

Don't feel that bad..even those with lots of experience lose babies..and THAT is a fact. I can't take the "bashing" with this topic. No wonder people go to petstores to buy their puppies..and IF they want to "breed"(Heaven forbid!), they are chastised and given all the doom and gloom..but yet read all the HAPPY, PROUD stories from those that do breed! Why not EDUCATE the new breeder..not criticize?? The best breeders in MY opinion, are those that do not freak if a buyer says they want to breed..but mentors them. Many of long-lasting friendships have been made this very way.

Well said.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by mommy9

The best breeders in MY opinion, are those that do not freak if a buyer says they want to breed..but mentors them. Many of long-lasting friendships have been made this very way.

Your opinion is why there are so many poorly bred and homeless animals in this world.

Yes, you are correct.......

"water seeks its own level"

Or.... "birds of a feather"

[ArmyWife313]

Originally Posted by mommy9

Don't feel that bad..even those with lots of experience lose babies..and THAT is a fact. I can't take the "bashing" with this topic. No wonder people go to petstores to buy their puppies..and IF they want to "breed"(Heaven forbid!), they are chastised and given all the doom and gloom..but yet read all the HAPPY, PROUD stories from those that do breed! Why not EDUCATE the new breeder..not criticize?? The best breeders in MY opinion, are those that do not freak if a buyer says they want to breed..but mentors them. Many of long-lasting friendships have been made this very way.

Because there is a difference in someone wanting to break into the breeding world and doing it responsibly versus someone who comes on and posts that her puppies are dying and didn't have the money to take them to the vet when just a few months before she already sold puppies from this same momma who had been bred on her first heat at 10 months old.

I don't breed, but I'm all about educating new breeders and encouraging them to do it properly, as there IS a way to do it properly. I've been involved with rescue and there are too many stories of pups that come from situations like this.

The "bashing" comes from the breeder's irresponsibility. If you think it's just opinion on her situation, go search for her previous posts.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by mommy9

Don't feel that bad..even those with lots of experience lose babies..and THAT is a fact. I can't take the "bashing" with this topic. No wonder people go to petstores to buy their puppies..and IF they want to "breed"(Heaven forbid!), they are chastised and given all the doom and gloom..but yet read all the HAPPY, PROUD stories from those that do breed! Why not EDUCATE the new breeder..not criticize?? The best breeders in MY opinion, are those that do not freak if a buyer says they want to breed..but mentors them. Many of long-lasting friendships have been made this very way.

I'm sorry, I just read thru everything and see no neg..I only see people reaching out. You may want to go back a read how wonderful and supportive YT members are....Please go back and read.

[mommy9]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Your opinion is why there are so many poorly bred and homeless animals in this world.

Yes, you are correct.......

"water seeks its own level"

Or.... "birds of a feather"

Excuse me? MY opinion is WHY there ARE well-bred Yorkshire Terriers! It is YOUR point of view that leads to this behavior..just putting 2 dogs together for $$$!
Breeders also have a responsibility to the breed in general..and that ALSO includes those that are entertaining breeding..you can't talk down to them and expect that they will listen to someone that is treating them that way???? That they will have an "epiphany" or something?? NO..they will buy from a broker or puppymill..or petstore..so on and on it goes ad nauseum. If a good breeder would have just taken her under their wing..maybe, JUST maybe..this situation would not have happened.
I cannot believe how RUDE your post was to me..totally uncalled for!! If you're in rescue..it's time to get out..you are burned out..don't worry..there ARE others that will carry the torch..JMHO.

[ArmyWife313]

Originally Posted by mommy9

Excuse me? MY opinion is WHY there ARE well-bred Yorkshire Terriers! It is YOUR point of view that leads to this behavior..just putting 2 dogs together for $$$!
Breeders also have a responsibility to the breed in general..and that ALSO includes those that are entertaining breeding..you can't talk down to them and expect that they will listen to someone that is treating them that way???? That they will have an "epiphany" or something?? NO..they will buy from a broker or puppymill..or petstore..so on and on it goes ad nauseum. If a good breeder would have just taken her under their wing..maybe, JUST maybe..this situation would not have happened.
I cannot believe how RUDE your post was to me..totally uncalled for!! If you're in rescue..it's time to get out..you are burned out..don't worry..there ARE others that will carry the torch..JMHO.

Wherein did you get the impression that the OP was seeking a good mentor to take her under their wing?

Her first post she came on here wanting to know why her 10 month old hadn't gone into heat yet. Her next post was can she get pregnant from only one mating and then we've got a pregnant Sassy. I don't see anywhere that she came on here asking for advice on how to do it properly.

IF she had purchased her pup from a reputable breeder in the first place, Sassy would have been on limited reg and unable to be breed. IF the OP had purchased her from a reputable breeder in the first place and mentioned wanting to bred, well then she'd probably have that mentor that you're talking about.

BUT SINCE SHE DIDN'T DO THAT, it's on HER shoulders for breeding irresponsibly.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by mommy9

If you're in rescue..it's time to get out..you are burned out..don't worry..there ARE others that will carry the torch..JMHO.

Actually no....shelters are full, rescues are full and just about every tom, dick, and harry figured out during these rough times we can bred dogs and make $$$$. Until we stop euthanizing 4 to 5 million pets a year this random breeding has to stop. Where is your empathy for the animals...they have no control over their lilfe.

This woman made the decision to breed her dog, not once but twice and when an emergency came up didn't take them to a vet who is trained to save life. No different then if a family had a child that got sick...it goes to a doctor. Everyone of you would be screaming bloody murder if this had happened to a child.

Anyone that is in rescue is sick of looking at animals losing their life for greed...anyone in rescue is full to the breaking point because people are dumping their pets everyday...shelters are sick of it, rescues are sick of it but the people who don't look at this everyday seems to think it is okay for puppies to die because this girl didn't want to spend the $$$...Explain to me why this is acceptable...??????

[chachi]

How does anyone know that she didnt go to the vet after she made this post and got advice to take them to the vet. I know she said she really didnt have any money but she could have borrowed the money you dont know. Also I think it is very wrong that other members on here are criticized for giving helpful advice or sympathy