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DAB · 07-21-2009, 05:14 AM

Good morning. Just to note, one of the doctors said that a study was done on long term use of Metronidazole on cats. The results were not favorable. Somehow the intestinal DNA was altered but when the medication was stopped, all returned to normal.

The study was done for cats not dogs. However, apparently there is no real scientific evidence that long term use of Metronidazole (Flagil is the same medication only a different name) in dogs is harmful. The dose will be reduced and Emma will have to be wached. I will find out for sure when I bring her home. Waiting for a phone call from Tufts.

Thank you so much for your prayes for Emma and baby Chase. The next few days are critical for Chase. I will give Emma a kiss from everyone on this forum who have been so kind and helpful since this whole process began.

Rerun201 · 07-21-2009, 05:34 AM

Just seeing your post for the first time. I am so happy to hear Emma Angel is doing better. It's so hard when these little ones are sick. Prayers that she continues to improve and is back to her happy self very soon!

Prayers also for Chase Aaron. My youngest son was also born at what we thought was his due date, but later found he was 3 weeks early. He weighed 7lbs 11oz but also suffered severe respiratory issues. It was scary, but he is now a healthy, happy 26 year old who brings me great joy. Medical treatment has done nothing but improve vastly since then, so hoping Chase Aaron will soon be home and causing all sorts of oohs and ahhs.

DAB · 07-21-2009, 05:47 AM

Thank you for your kind words.

I just now heard from my sister (grandmother). Chase does have pneumonia but it has not spread. They are monitoring his breathing and giving him medication for the pneumonia and meds to help clear his lungs.

I will keep you posted about Emma. She is such a little lover. Big sister yorkie--age 5, Zofia ( Polish for Sophia) , came with us to visit her last night. She has come just about every time we have gone there. As she has become fairly comfortable with the enviornment there, the two were able to relax and play a bit. I think that Emma is always happy when we bring her with us. They are like two peas in a pod.

DAB

DAB · 07-23-2009, 02:34 PM

Emma has been home for 2 days. She is doing much better now that she is back on the Medtronidazole. I have to give her .06 ML instead of the 1 ML she had been receiving before we took her off one month after her LS surgery per the surgeon's recommendation. She is as peppy as ever. Thank you for your continued good thoughts and prayers. I guesss she will be on the medication for a while. I am so relieved that she is her old self again.

Baby Chase is receiving good care in the ICU unit-----my neice had a chance to hold him yesterday.

Ladymom · 07-23-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DAB

Emma has been home for 2 days. She is doing much better now that she is back on the Medtronidazole. I have to give her .06 ML instead of the 1 ML she had been receiving before we took her off one month after her LS surgery per the surgeon's recommendation. She is as peppy as ever. Thank you for your continued good thoughts and prayers. I guesss she will be on the medication for a while. I am so relieved that she is her old self again.

Baby Chase is receiving good care in the ICU unit-----my neice had a chance to hold him yesterday.

I am so glad to hear good reports on Emma and Chase.

Lolasmom1211 · 07-23-2009, 02:45 PM

Hooray for Emma and Chase! What a difference a few days make....give her belly rubs and Yorkie kisses from us. I will keep Chase in my prayers ~~~ Valerie, "Lola & Harley"

Rerun201 · 07-23-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DAB

Emma has been home for 2 days. She is doing much better now that she is back on the Medtronidazole. I have to give her .06 ML instead of the 1 ML she had been receiving before we took her off one month after her LS surgery per the surgeon's recommendation. She is as peppy as ever. Thank you for your continued good thoughts and prayers. I guesss she will be on the medication for a while. I am so relieved that she is her old self again.

Baby Chase is receiving good care in the ICU unit-----my neice had a chance to hold him yesterday.

So happy to hear the great news on both your babies!! Give Emma Angel big yorkie hugs

I'm sure your niece is over the moon at getting to hold baby Chase. Will keep sending good thoughts and lots of prayers out for all of you!! Thanks so much for the update!

wemple2 · 07-25-2009, 04:00 PM

What a relief to hear your baby Emma Angel is doing so much better. I'll be sure to add Chase to my daily prayers...

dwerten · 07-29-2009, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAB

Good morning. Just to note, one of the doctors said that a study was done on long term use of Metronidazole on cats. The results were not favorable. Somehow the intestinal DNA was altered but when the medication was stopped, all returned to normal.

The study was done for cats not dogs. However, apparently there is no real scientific evidence that long term use of Metronidazole (Flagil is the same medication only a different name) in dogs is harmful. The dose will be reduced and Emma will have to be wached. I will find out for sure when I bring her home. Waiting for a phone call from Tufts.

Thank you so much for your prayes for Emma and baby Chase. The next few days are critical for Chase. I will give Emma a kiss from everyone on this forum who have been so kind and helpful since this whole process began.

what about tylan powder as that is safer long term than metronidazole and many ibd dogs do well on it long term. It is dosed down lower than metronidazole and usually used for toy breed dogs over metronidazole as metro has to be compounded for toy breeds. This may be something to discuss with ims as my internal medicine specialist and i discussed this and she uses tylan for long term in toy breeds. Just a thought if you have to do long term antibiotics for intestinal upset

DAB · 07-30-2009, 05:57 AM

Emma is doing well----she has bounced back as is her cute little self again. Baby Chase is finally home-----just need to keep a close watch on him. Thanks so much for all your good thoughts and prayers.

DAB

DAB · 07-30-2009, 05:59 AM

Tylan powder---I will ask the internist and my vet about it. Thank you very much. I had no idea that the metronidazole has to be formulated for toy breeds---none of the doctors said anything about that.

DAB

dwerten · 07-30-2009, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DAB

Tylan powder---I will ask the internist and my vet about it. Thank you very much. I had no idea that the metronidazole has to be formulated for toy breeds---none of the doctors said anything about that.

DAB

yeah i just learned this when my girl had colitis and i went to internal medicine specialist and we discussed options in detail. I ended up using probiotics rather than antibiotic as i prefer natural but she went over tylan (tylosin) vs metronidazole (flagyl) and explained the difference. Tylosin is very bitter tasting so you have to hide it in a treat. It is what is in angel eyes for tear staining so many use this in maltese breed to keep tear staining down. I personally do not like it for cosmetic reasons for this very reason when you need it for a health reason you do not want them to be immune to it.

My friend's dog was really sick - diarhea all the time and she has her on this and her dog is doing great and has been able to ween back to only a couple times a week. It helps with large intestinal issues which is what is going on with yours. Small intestinal issues is more vomitting than diarrhea

dwerten · 07-30-2009, 06:47 AM

Tylosin

here is the info on it to talk to vet about - they are already compounding the metronidazole is my guess

tazzies mom · 10-24-2011, 01:25 PM

Praying for emma. My baby Tazzie just got home from u of Tenn. Loved DR.Tobias. Tazzie is on Lactulose 3 times a day till he gets blood work in 3 months and hills l/d or royal canin hepatic ls till his blood work goes back to normal if it ever does if not he will be eating it until then. i pray it all works out for you and your baby.

07-21-2009, 05:34 AM	#32
Rerun201 ♥Owned by Toby & Lola♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 524	Just seeing your post for the first time. I am so happy to hear Emma Angel is doing better. It's so hard when these little ones are sick. Prayers that she continues to improve and is back to her happy self very soon! Prayers also for Chase Aaron. My youngest son was also born at what we thought was his due date, but later found he was 3 weeks early. He weighed 7lbs 11oz but also suffered severe respiratory issues. It was scary, but he is now a healthy, happy 26 year old who brings me great joy. Medical treatment has done nothing but improve vastly since then, so hoping Chase Aaron will soon be home and causing all sorts of oohs and ahhs. __________________ Becky, Toby and Lola

07-23-2009, 02:34 PM	#34
DAB Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Chicopeee, MA Posts: 110	Emma Angel update Emma has been home for 2 days. She is doing much better now that she is back on the Medtronidazole. I have to give her .06 ML instead of the 1 ML she had been receiving before we took her off one month after her LS surgery per the surgeon's recommendation. She is as peppy as ever. Thank you for your continued good thoughts and prayers. I guesss she will be on the medication for a while. I am so relieved that she is her old self again. Baby Chase is receiving good care in the ICU unit-----my neice had a chance to hold him yesterday.

07-25-2009, 04:00 PM	#38
wemple2 Wee Winston Wiggles Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kewanee, Illinois Posts: 9,666	What a relief to hear your baby Emma Angel is doing so much better. I'll be sure to add Chase to my daily prayers... __________________ As Ever, Kathy Intruducing Bentley Winston and Spencer: RIP My Sweet Angels

10-24-2011, 01:25 PM	#44
tazzies mom Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: wv Posts: 32	Praying for emma. My baby Tazzie just got home from u of Tenn. Loved DR.Tobias. Tazzie is on Lactulose 3 times a day till he gets blood work in 3 months and hills l/d or royal canin hepatic ls till his blood work goes back to normal if it ever does if not he will be eating it until then. i pray it all works out for you and your baby. Last edited by tazzies mom; 10-24-2011 at 01:27 PM.

07-21-2009, 05:14 AM	#31
DAB Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Chicopeee, MA Posts: 110	Good morning. Just to note, one of the doctors said that a study was done on long term use of Metronidazole on cats. The results were not favorable. Somehow the intestinal DNA was altered but when the medication was stopped, all returned to normal. The study was done for cats not dogs. However, apparently there is no real scientific evidence that long term use of Metronidazole (Flagil is the same medication only a different name) in dogs is harmful. The dose will be reduced and Emma will have to be wached. I will find out for sure when I bring her home. Waiting for a phone call from Tufts. Thank you so much for your prayes for Emma and baby Chase. The next few days are critical for Chase. I will give Emma a kiss from everyone on this forum who have been so kind and helpful since this whole process began.

07-21-2009, 05:47 AM	#33
DAB Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Chicopeee, MA Posts: 110	Thank you for your kind words. I just now heard from my sister (grandmother). Chase does have pneumonia but it has not spread. They are monitoring his breathing and giving him medication for the pneumonia and meds to help clear his lungs. I will keep you posted about Emma. She is such a little lover. Big sister yorkie--age 5, Zofia ( Polish for Sophia) , came with us to visit her last night. She has come just about every time we have gone there. As she has become fairly comfortable with the enviornment there, the two were able to relax and play a bit. I think that Emma is always happy when we bring her with us. They are like two peas in a pod. DAB

07-23-2009, 02:45 PM	#36
Lolasmom1211 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 664	Hooray for Emma and Chase! What a difference a few days make....give her belly rubs and Yorkie kisses from us. I will keep Chase in my prayers ~~~ Valerie, "Lola & Harley"

07-30-2009, 05:57 AM	#40
DAB Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Chicopeee, MA Posts: 110	Emma is doing well----she has bounced back as is her cute little self again. Baby Chase is finally home-----just need to keep a close watch on him. Thanks so much for all your good thoughts and prayers. DAB

07-30-2009, 05:59 AM	#41
DAB Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Chicopeee, MA Posts: 110	Tylan powder---I will ask the internist and my vet about it. Thank you very much. I had no idea that the metronidazole has to be formulated for toy breeds---none of the doctors said anything about that. DAB

07-30-2009, 06:47 AM	#43
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	Tylosin here is the info on it to talk to vet about - they are already compounding the metronidazole is my guess