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cj125 · 03-19-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by carmengamble

a 5 year old should definitely know how to behave by himself without being supervised. He knew better and his family should pay for the vet bill, or at least some of it.

You're expecting a 5 yr old to "know better" but not the adult?

hugz4all4 · 03-19-2009, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ARCHIE

I do hope your little pup is fine after the vet checks him over.
Poor puppy.

I have raised 3 children and at the age of 5 years old a child, under
normal upbringing should be responsible for his/her actions.
Any 5 yrs old that does not know it's bad to throw a living creature
off a deck or even would want to has some sort of problem.
Most children would cry at seeing an animal hurt, at least mine would.
For heavens sake my granddaughter was three when I bought Buddy
and she was with me. She was so gentle to him and touched him
with such love and caring it touched my heart.
It's apparent to me that this child has never been around animals
and has not been taught what is right or wrong.
As far as leaving a 5yrs old out in the yard to play I see nothing wrong
with it. My children played in our yard with a friend while I was keeping
an eye out from the house, of course.
In some families 5yr olds take care of smaller siblings! If your child at the
age of 5 is not responsible enough to know right from wrong you better
get moving and teach him.
Are you saying that a five year old would not know the difference of
slapping or throwing an infant off the bed? To me it's the samething.
This boy is either spoiled rotten or just get's away with anything he
wants due to lack of guidance from his parent's. These kids are the ones
who cause trouble down the road.
I would most diffenately have a talk with his parents.
I would also never allow this child around the puppy until he get's
some dissapline and if the money is needed I would continue
to baby sit him but keep a watchful eye out for anything else he
might do.
I do hope your puppy will not be tramatized by this.
Saying a prayer that he will be alright.

New York state allows children in childcare to be unsupervised outside at the age of 5.

mkawczak · 03-19-2009, 08:37 AM

Children do/know what they are taught.If any child misbehaves,no matter what the age is,there needs to be punishment. If a child acts out..verbally/physically,emotionally, it's the adult in charge at the time...whether it be parent,babysitter,teacher,to teach them wrong form right. I agree,NONE has the right to touch anyone elses child. There are many ways to teach without touch. Consequences to bad behavior. My son is 17 and that rule still applies. Dogs and children are both are unpredictible. Everyone involved know their faults in this. Learn from it and move on. Babysitting means watching 24/7. You need eyes in the back of your head.The parents should be involved in how this situation went down ,and together come up with a plan/punishment. Good Lock to that pup,Let us know how the vet visit goes.

Bianca · 03-19-2009, 08:39 AM

Well then New York State law su*ks and should be changed, cause thats ridiculous. What I wouldn't do with my own kids I wouldn't do with someone's else.
It's common sense, it doesn't take a Nasa scientist to understand that any child under 10 and especially 5 can get into serious trouble if left alone and also kidnapped by some loontune!

hugz4all4 · 03-19-2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Micah my love

A 5yr old with any decent upbringing would know better than to do such a bratty thing, if i had been in your place i would have introduced him to a good ass whipping and promised another if he even looked at my helpless
baby

Betty & Micah my love

You are unreal and I truly feel sorry for your children and your grandkids. You dont hit anyone PERIOD!! Let alone a child that is NOT yours. I agree with what a few of the others have said, if anyone was to ever hit my child, thier ASS would be in sitting in jail

hugz4all4 · 03-19-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bianca

Well then New York State law su*ks and should be changed, cause thats ridiculous. What I wouldn't do with my own kids I wouldn't do with someone's else.
It's common sense, it doesn't take a Nasa scientist to understand that any child under 10 and especially 5 can get into serious trouble if left alone and also kidnapped by some loontune!

oh I agree with you 100 percent. I was just stating a fact. I have a 5 year old child and I know what kind of trouble he can into.

As far as them knowing right from wrong, if they arent taught then they dont know. PERIOD.. its not about whether or not they should already no because they are 5, is there a rule book somewhere that states once your child turns 5, he should automatically know this and that. Give me a break.

I agree he shouldnt of done it and I really do feel sorry for the puppy, but he and the dog were unsupervised and things happen. If she was out there with the dog and kid it wouldnt of happen. If you dont want to watch him anymore than dont, its only 1 day a week. If you do continue to watch him than I would keep him and the dog away from each other untill he can be taught how to be around the dog.
Good luck, I hope that your puppy didnt suffer any serious damage.

Bianca · 03-19-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by hugz4all4

oh I agree with you 100 percent. I was just stating a fact. I have a 5 year old child and I know what kind of trouble he can into.

As far as them knowing right from wrong, if they arent taught then they dont know. PERIOD.. its not about whether or not they should already no because they are 5, is there a rule book somewhere that states once your child turns 5, he should automatically know this and that. Give me a break.

I agree he shouldnt of done it and I really do feel sorry for the puppy, but he and the dog were unsupervised and things happen. If she was out there with the dog and kid it wouldnt of happen. If you dont want to watch him anymore than dont, its only 1 day a week. If you do continue to watch him than I would keep him and the dog away from each other untill he can be taught how to be around the dog.
Good luck, I hope that your puppy didnt suffer any serious damage.

No I know you were just stating the law, I was just reacting to it

sorry, didn't mean to make you think otherwise

hugz4all4 · 03-19-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bianca

No I know you were just stating the law, I was just reacting to it

sorry, didn't mean to make you think otherwise

no biggie..

I cant believe what this thread has turned into. Its very distrubing to know that there are people out there that think hitting a child or someone elses child is ok

better yet, lets just throw the kid off the deck

, I mean seriously??? Yet these are the same people that are absoulty horrified by people hitting their dogs and says things like "leave your fiance or husband" because he is tapping the dog on the butt. I really dont get it??

Hitting anything living thing is WRONG whether it be human or animal!!

To the OP, I really hope that your puppy is ok.
Im sooo done with this thread

jencar98 · 03-19-2009, 09:17 AM

Despite what everyone is posting about the five year old and what should or shouldn't be done to him - I can't get past that this 6 month old puppy wasn't taken to the vet immediately after the accident. I know if there was a chance my puppy/dog had a broken leg, I wouldn't be waiting until tomorrow to have it checked.

Lena2 · 03-19-2009, 09:22 AM

I also watch children from my home, besides my own two. The oldest which is my son is 7 and the youngest is 3. I tell the children when I first start watching them the rules. Which includes no hitting, kicking, or picking up the dogs. The dogs may sit in their lap if they are on the floor, but they are not to pick them up. All my children are great with the dogs and I think if one of the children diid hurt one of my dogs I would talk to their parents and let them know what happend. I would ask them to pay all or half of the vet bill and if they wouldn't then I probably wouldn't watch their child anymore. He is old anough to know better. I am sorry this happend to your baby and I hope she will be okay.

LolaLove · 03-19-2009, 09:27 AM

I work with kids of all ages, learning disabled and not. The main thing is, they DON'T know better, unless they have been TAUGHT to know better. If the parents lack discipline, than the child struggles with what is right/wrong. This is very tragic, and I am so sad for you to have to go through this.

I absolutely agree 100% with the person who said to sit the kids down and explain to them the rules with animals. If the child is not experienced with animals, then they're probably not experienced with how to treat them. I am very careful with Lola when I am around children. I am very strict with the kids, because I know the damage they can do (by accident), on such a little creature.

I don't think this incident is anyone's fault. However, it's possibly more of a fault towards the parents of the child, for not explaining how to treat animals. I think you should DEFINITELY call the kids parents, and explain what happened. They might even offer to pay the bills?? I would, if it were my child, but you never know with parents these days. I definitely wouldn't allow the child near the dog again, even if you decide to babysit him again. I probably couldn't babysit him again though, cuz of resentment, but that's not a good thing to have.

I do wish the best for you and you're little one!! Please keep us updated with what happens. You and your little one are in my thoughts/prayers. Unfortunately, with every accident, there is a lesson to be learned. Not just for you, but for the child as well. I am so sorry, and I hope he gets better soon!!!

_Chrissy_ · 03-19-2009, 09:33 AM

HOW IS THE PUPPY??????

Please keep us updated.

straightsilk · 03-19-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jencar98

Despite what everyone is posting about the five year old and what should or shouldn't be done to him - I can't get past that this 6 month old puppy wasn't taken to the vet immediately after the accident. I know if there was a chance my puppy/dog had a broken leg, I wouldn't be waiting until tomorrow to have it checked.

Exactly what I was thinking.

I am stunned that anyone would consider a. blaming one child based on the report of another, b. consider asking someone else to reimburse you when YOU were the "responsible" adult on the scene c. not take the puppy to the vet immediately.

I always thought breeders who wouldn't place a puppy in a home with young children were really unreasonable, but after reading this thread and seeing the number of people who are willing to place the full blame on this child, I think I'm beginning to understand.

VickieDavis · 03-19-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by _Chrissy_

HOW IS THE PUPPY??????

Please keep us updated.

I sure hope the puppy owner lets us all know how he/she is. I agree with a previous post. This thread has gone off topic about hitting...
I'll watch and hopefully get an update on the puppy but otherwise i'm done with this thread

BelwoBelwo · 03-19-2009, 09:56 AM

I have seen many kids with very good mannerism and upbringing do things to my dogs that I don't expect them too. One minute they are gently petting my yorkies, the next minute they are kicking or hitting. I don't think they are even aware of what they are doing. I have seen time and time again their parents scolding them for what they have done and tell them why they shouldn't but yet the kids do it over and over again. This is not my experience with one child, rather my experience with multiple children with different personalities. I learned not to leave my yorkies unattended with any young children period. Kids under 8 don't have the same mental capacity so you really can't blame them. The only thing you can do is not put your puppy in the hand of a child. You see they act aggressively at times not because they are violent kids but rather they see the pet as a toy. And what does a kid do with his toys? They play and toss them around. I have been told by parents that their kids have been taught how to handle a dog and yet I see them being aggressive with my dogs. Bottom line don't leave small animals unattended with young kids (especially when they are 6 and younger) unless you know 100% that they will not be harmed Why take that chance?

03-19-2009, 08:37 AM	#48
mkawczak Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,320 Blog Entries: 3	Children do/know what they are taught.If any child misbehaves,no matter what the age is,there needs to be punishment. If a child acts out..verbally/physically,emotionally, it's the adult in charge at the time...whether it be parent,babysitter,teacher,to teach them wrong form right. I agree,NONE has the right to touch anyone elses child. There are many ways to teach without touch. Consequences to bad behavior. My son is 17 and that rule still applies. Dogs and children are both are unpredictible. Everyone involved know their faults in this. Learn from it and move on. Babysitting means watching 24/7. You need eyes in the back of your head.The parents should be involved in how this situation went down ,and together come up with a plan/punishment. Good Lock to that pup,Let us know how the vet visit goes. __________________ N.Y. 'S FINESTPONGO,AIDEN,HARLEY, KI-KI ,GARFIELD ,MINI-ME

03-19-2009, 09:17 AM	#54
jencar98 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 6,435 Blog Entries: 3	Despite what everyone is posting about the five year old and what should or shouldn't be done to him - I can't get past that this 6 month old puppy wasn't taken to the vet immediately after the accident. I know if there was a chance my puppy/dog had a broken leg, I wouldn't be waiting until tomorrow to have it checked. __________________ ~Ruby, Reno, Razz, & Jack~

03-19-2009, 09:27 AM	#56
LolaLove Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: San Rafael, CA, USA Posts: 185 Blog Entries: 2	I work with kids of all ages, learning disabled and not. The main thing is, they DON'T know better, unless they have been TAUGHT to know better. If the parents lack discipline, than the child struggles with what is right/wrong. This is very tragic, and I am so sad for you to have to go through this. I absolutely agree 100% with the person who said to sit the kids down and explain to them the rules with animals. If the child is not experienced with animals, then they're probably not experienced with how to treat them. I am very careful with Lola when I am around children. I am very strict with the kids, because I know the damage they can do (by accident), on such a little creature. I don't think this incident is anyone's fault. However, it's possibly more of a fault towards the parents of the child, for not explaining how to treat animals. I think you should DEFINITELY call the kids parents, and explain what happened. They might even offer to pay the bills?? I would, if it were my child, but you never know with parents these days. I definitely wouldn't allow the child near the dog again, even if you decide to babysit him again. I probably couldn't babysit him again though, cuz of resentment, but that's not a good thing to have. I do wish the best for you and you're little one!! Please keep us updated with what happens. You and your little one are in my thoughts/prayers. Unfortunately, with every accident, there is a lesson to be learned. Not just for you, but for the child as well. I am so sorry, and I hope he gets better soon!!! __________________ Caroline & Lola http://www.walknowforautism.org/sonoma/carolinelauck

03-19-2009, 09:33 AM	#57
_Chrissy_ Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,561	HOW IS THE PUPPY?????? Please keep us updated. __________________ Max (the Morkie) & Mickey (the Yorkie)

03-19-2009, 08:39 AM	#49
Bianca No Longer a Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New York Posts: 761	Well then New York State law su*ks and should be changed, cause thats ridiculous. What I wouldn't do with my own kids I wouldn't do with someone's else. It's common sense, it doesn't take a Nasa scientist to understand that any child under 10 and especially 5 can get into serious trouble if left alone and also kidnapped by some loontune!

03-19-2009, 09:22 AM	#55
Lena2 YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Nashville Posts: 4	I also watch children from my home, besides my own two. The oldest which is my son is 7 and the youngest is 3. I tell the children when I first start watching them the rules. Which includes no hitting, kicking, or picking up the dogs. The dogs may sit in their lap if they are on the floor, but they are not to pick them up. All my children are great with the dogs and I think if one of the children diid hurt one of my dogs I would talk to their parents and let them know what happend. I would ask them to pay all or half of the vet bill and if they wouldn't then I probably wouldn't watch their child anymore. He is old anough to know better. I am sorry this happend to your baby and I hope she will be okay.

03-19-2009, 09:56 AM	#60
BelwoBelwo Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2007 Location: california Posts: 131	I have seen many kids with very good mannerism and upbringing do things to my dogs that I don't expect them too. One minute they are gently petting my yorkies, the next minute they are kicking or hitting. I don't think they are even aware of what they are doing. I have seen time and time again their parents scolding them for what they have done and tell them why they shouldn't but yet the kids do it over and over again. This is not my experience with one child, rather my experience with multiple children with different personalities. I learned not to leave my yorkies unattended with any young children period. Kids under 8 don't have the same mental capacity so you really can't blame them. The only thing you can do is not put your puppy in the hand of a child. You see they act aggressively at times not because they are violent kids but rather they see the pet as a toy. And what does a kid do with his toys? They play and toss them around. I have been told by parents that their kids have been taught how to handle a dog and yet I see them being aggressive with my dogs. Bottom line don't leave small animals unattended with young kids (especially when they are 6 and younger) unless you know 100% that they will not be harmed Why take that chance?