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Old 03-17-2009, 09:25 AM   #1
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Hi, I am new here and am searching for help from everyone. My puppy's name is Thor, we got him on Jan. 11 at 8 weeks old. He was constipated as a Very young puppy and the breeder (whom is a family member and we know VERY WELL) took care of him, took him to 2 different vets and he seemed fine after treatment.

At about 10 weeks he started SCREAMING, and "crying" with every bowel movement attempt, and also has an almost constant discharge (just light brown watery with a "poopy" smell). Now he is 17 weeks old and on Prednisone and butorphanol .2 cc, 3 times daily. The crying is a bit better but in the mornings, after going all night with no medicine, he will scream and cry with his bowel movement, and the discharge is still there.

This discharge is also an issue because it makes him smell awful and I have to give him "butt baths" (as the kids call them) every day to avoid him being really smelly. Not an issue for me of course I will do what it takes to keep him clean. I just put him in the bathroom sink and wash his bottom with warm water...but I would think this is making him raw back there also. We tried baby wipes to just wipe him a few times a day but that makes him red and irritated back there.

He is doing great on house breaking. He is being indoor puppy pad trained and goes to the paper for every bowel movement and 80% of the time for urinating. So for a Yorkie that young I think he is doing awesome. He is very active, alert, playful and normal except after a bowel movement. After a bowel movement he acts scared, hurt, and sad It is really hard to handle it and it is getting to the point that when he starts to head for the paper, every one runs to their bedrooms and shuts the doors so they don't hear him. I have tried everything; petting him while he uses the bathroom, talking to him in a soothing voice, giving him treats after he is finished, and just sitting there for support but none of this helps. We all love him and want him better but have no idea whats wrong with him.

He has been to the vet an average of once a week since we got him, we are trying to find out whats wrong with him. The vet says it could be neurological but I think that he would act "off" all the time if that were the case. The vet even hinted at PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder) due to the constipation as a very young puppy. He said that he may be afraid to use the bathroom so he is trying to hold it in as his body is trying to force it out, causing issues. He has checked his internal organs, and says everything feels normal, no swelling, enlarged organs, constipation, or hernias. We have done multiple stool samples as well with no abnormalities. He is up to date on all of his shots and also on heartworm medicine. He was started on the prednisone and butorphanol 3 weeks ago hoping this would ease whatever is causing it, but it still isn't gone all the way and honestly I am afraid of the long term effects of a steroid and narcotic on a puppy so small and young but it does seem to help him during the day so we keep giving it to him.

Sorry this is so long, but I wanted you all to have the details for a better chance of finding out what is wrong. If any of you have ever heard of this or seen it before PLEASE HELP US

Here is the video I put on youtube so that you all can TRY to help us figure this out. We really love our puppy and want him better.


I have never used a video in a forum so all I know to do is post the address... please be prepared, it is painful to watch and we have to listen to this 4-6 times a day but we need answers. We love our puppy and just want him well.
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Old 03-17-2009, 09:36 AM   #2
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OMG! That poor baby. I hope somebody can give you answers and help for your baby.
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Old 03-17-2009, 09:37 AM   #3
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Oh my gosh, your poor baby ! I don't think it's neuro or PTSD, personally. He is in pain and straining, like you said. There is something really wrong here and I think I'd get him to GI specialist asap.

It could be structural in the rectum, it could the anal glands - are the glands swollen/protruding?
Does the more liquid discharge smell "fishy"?
Has fiber been tried?
What is the diet?

If he has almost constant anal leakage, he probably does need a specialist rather than a regular vet.

Also, you can use diaper cream/hydorcortisone cream on his bottom to soothe it. The reason he acts scared and runs to his bed after pooing is bc he is probably still in pain, he just expended an enormous amount of energy, and the whole process is very scary for him. After my dogs experience any pain, they are scared, tired and want to be held by me.

I feel so badly for Thor!
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Oh... poor baby! Could he still be constipated? What does he eat? I'm sure someone with tons of YT experience will comment with some good advice. I just want to welcome you and hope you find a resolution to the problem!
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Thank you all for your quick replies...In my LONG post I can't believe I forgot the diet info...

He is on Pedigree puppy, canned exclusively right now.

We tried water soaked dry food, canned and dry mixed and now the vet wants him on straight canned.

He originally was on Eukanuba dry foods when this all started.

We have made each change slowly and he seems better on the canned food than all others but still does this every morning. Like I said the afternoons are better because he has his meds in him.

There is no chance is is constipation because now it is soft and comes easily during the day with no "packed look" or "hardness".
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Poor Thor.. hope someone body has a solution for his problem. Thors cries even made my Veer scared ( Veer ran to me crying and wanted me to pick him up )
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.He is on Pedigree puppy, canned exclusively right now.We tried water soaked dry food, canned and dry mixed and now the vet wants him on straight canned. He originally was on Eukanuba dry foods when this all started.

We have made each change slowly and he seems better on the canned food than all others but still does this every morning. Like I said the afternoons are better because he has his meds in him.

There is no chance is is constipation because now it is soft and comes easily during the day with no "packed look" or "hardness".
I'm really surprised the vet didn't want him on an intestinal formula, at the very least?

The consistency of the stool you filmed actually looks really good to me. However, the anal leakage is not normal at all. To me, this dog appears to be in great pain and, imo, needs a CT scan or MRI to look at the structures.

Has blood work ever been done here? If so, what is the white count? Was anything out of normal range?
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Wellness for puppy works well for my Veer.
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OMGPlease take him to the vet. That poor baby has something blocked. I'm in tears just watching that video. You poor thing. I would show that video to the vet. They should know where to start. Pedegree is not very good dog food,but that's the least of his problems right now. Having to go through that 4-5 times is CRAZY!!!! He should'nt be pooping that much either,but he probably stops before he's totally finished. Can't blame him. My heart breaks for you,but please take him to the vet,and let us know. Oh, Welcome to YT.Good Luck!!xoxoxoxoxo
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I agree he needs a specialist, this could cause him some long term mental problems. Internal glands could be a problem too, had the vet expressed them??? If you don't know ASK! then ask for a referral to an internal med/gastro doctor. Please don't waist more money going to a vet that dosen't seem to know the problem. Ladies pf YT do you think she should try pumpkin, or some of the other remedys that have been suggested in the past? PLEASE seek us posted on what you find out.. Poor baby boy.... Hugs, SHaron
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Ladies pf YT do you think she should try pumpkin, or some of the other remedys that have been suggested in the past?
I mentioned fiber too, but honestly the consistency of the stool looked quite good - this appears structural to me, you know?
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Oh my gosh my heart is breaking, I sure hope you can find out the problem very soon. Please try a another vet...
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I wonder if he was born with stenosis of the colon? That means a portion is abnnormally narrow making it more difficult for feces to pass through
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OMG! I am in tears watching your baby go through this! At the very least I would get a second opinion. Poor little darling....Oh I hope and pray that he gets better soon!!!
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This has got to be one of the worse things I've ever seen. Has your vet seen this, because I'm not sure he would understand how severe it is if he hasn't seen it first hand. I think I would be tempted to find a new vet, or at least find a specialist. Your statement of a discharge makes me think that the anal glands are involved. When dogs poop they leave a few drops from the anal glands on their poop as a scent for other dogs, this is often strong smelling, but usually it's such a small amount it's not noticeable. I'm wondering if the anal glands are overproducing, or infected. Has his diet changed recently, has he always had trouble, and what are you feeding? I agree with the others, I would take him to a specialist. My prayers are with you.

I just read MyFairLacy post, she a vet "in training" you might want to read her posts carefully, I don't even know what stenosis of the colon is.
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