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sassytooyou · 12-28-2008, 08:22 AM

monday go in, just be sure nothing is bad

Quote:

Originally Posted by wr332

my 8 months old yorkie is in pain.

i was in the bathroom when i heard a small yip from him.
he's started to limp on christmas day. which is 3 days ago. i notice today ( 3 days later ) it look alittle better, but still some limping going on

after that, he just limp his rear left leg.

* he follows me just like before.
* he eats and goes to bathroom just like before
* he tend to sleep more.
* he still plays with his toys.
* He use to running around the house really fast, then *humps* something then goes to sleep. ( ever since the limp. he stop running really fast, and *humping*.
* he bites me when i touch his left rear feet, yet sometimes he does not.
* i check everywhere, seems like nothing from outside.

other info:

sometimes i see him walking normal, like nothing happened. after a few more steps, he started to lift his rear left foot and limp. same as running.

i also try to make him stand on my hand. i notice his left rear feet ( can't stand up ), while his right rear feet have strong pull.

does anyone know what is the cause of this?
i called up a vet and ask. she said it might be a muscle pull.

how long does MUSCLE PULL LAST???

wr332 · 01-03-2009, 10:11 PM

ok few updates.

took him to a VET

didn't say alot about my dog. just walk in told him
" i just got the dog recently, and he started to limp for some reason. "

then he told me to feel his leg. and he said
"come here feel this. theres bumps. he have a XXXXXXX( forgot ) disease , and the surgery will cost 800 dollars. he needs it now "

i told him
" i had him for about 4 months. he was completed fine before. he just started limping on christmas day and when he try to jump to sofa and pull a muscle or fell( i was in the bathroom and didn't see anything, just heard a scream) "

DOCTOR
" no reply "

REST VISIT not one word from him.

he give my dog a SHOT, and 5 rimadyl to take 2X daily and only take 1/4 pill

thats it.

notice he runs faster, jumps higher, just like before but i still see he take his foot up ( rear left) for 3 seconds then walks normal.

i have no idea what is going on.

the doctor refuse to X-ray him.. say he don't need it.

Ladymom · 01-03-2009, 10:33 PM

Where on his leg did he have you feel? It's impossible to tell from your post what the diagnosis is, but it sounds like he needs surgery asap. Can you call the vet and get them to tell you the diagnosis? From there, you could perhaps get a second opinion.

wr332 · 01-03-2009, 10:57 PM

the vet didn't give me any diagnosis papers, and refuse to x-ray him unless i agree to do the surgery,

i felt his legs, everywhere.

the knee cap ( Lluxating patella )

both legs same, no growing out caps, or going sideways. i pushed both cap places, nothing. only when the puppy see my hand touching his leg, he goes after my fingers. if he's not looking at my hand, i can touch however i want.

he also limp right after he jump down from a high bed. after few seconds. walks normal.

** he is much better then before with * rimadyl after few days.

i'm going to see if these pills help. then i have to take him to other vets. for now i want to ask when dogs have problems with limp. what should i do?

give him more exercise or less exercise?
less jumping? less walking? more sleep?

put some kind of protection on the leg?

sassytooyou · 01-04-2009, 06:24 AM

Tede has the same. same thing happened. i know lots of yorkis have the surgery. see another vet, check both legs mine needs both, all your vet did is get him out of pain, keep him from jumping as much as possoble. (HAHAHA) you will see he will start to live with it. but save and get it done. but make sure you dont have to do both. dont do one and put the little guy throgh 2. i think he does need exrays on both, then get a action plan ready yt has lots of info.
i have to wait. i am one suffering through bad times. so i am saving, i watch him ,i put my bed on the floor so he has less jumping. so do what is best for you and your baby.sorry for your baby, i know its a blow but it will be fine. tede-julie

Ladymom · 01-04-2009, 08:17 AM

Rimadyl can help short term with the pain, but it is dangerous to keep him on it long term. Please read this:

The Senior Dogs Project

Your vet should have graded his patellas. They are graded from 1-4 with 4 being the worst. Grades 3-4 will need surgery.

A vet on another forum wrote this about luxating patellas:

Grade I: The kneecap can be moved out of place manually but will fall back into its natural position once the manipulator lets go.

Grade 2: Same thing except that the kneecap does not move back to its normal position when the manipulator lets go. These dogs are likely to progress to arthritis development and should be considered for surgery to prevent conformational damage. There is some controversy over whether grade 2 dogs should have surgery.

Grade 3: The patella is out of place all the time but can be manipulated back into its normal position manually (though it will not stay there).

Grade 4: The patella is not only out of place all the time but cannot even be manipulated back into place by hand. Such a dog has extreme difficulty extending his knees and walks with his knees bent virtually all the time.

It is not a good thing to have one's knee cap out of place; the entire weight-bearing stress of the rear leg is altered which, in time, leads to changes in the hips, long bones, and ultimately arthritis. How severe the changes are depends on how severe the luxation is (i.e., the grade as described above) and how long that degree of luxation has been going on. In time, the legs will actually turn inward, making the dog "knock-kneed." The luxation is not considered a painful condition but after enough time and conformational change, arthritis sets in, which is indeed painful.

Dogs with Grade I luxations do not require surgical repair.

Grade 2 dogs may benefit from surgery and most often the owner is called upon to judge how big a problem the lameness is.

Dogs with Grade 3 or 4 disease definitely should have surgery.

RachelGenson · 01-04-2009, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wr332

the vet didn't give me any diagnosis papers, and refuse to x-ray him unless i agree to do the surgery,

i felt his legs, everywhere.

the knee cap ( Lluxating patella )

both legs same, no growing out caps, or going sideways. i pushed both cap places, nothing. only when the puppy see my hand touching his leg, he goes after my fingers. if he's not looking at my hand, i can touch however i want.

he also limp right after he jump down from a high bed. after few seconds. walks normal.

** he is much better then before with * rimadyl after few days.

i'm going to see if these pills help. then i have to take him to other vets. for now i want to ask when dogs have problems with limp. what should i do?

give him more exercise or less exercise?
less jumping? less walking? more sleep?

put some kind of protection on the leg?

I dont quite understand, if you know that your dog is in some sort of pain and has been limping and still is limping, why are you putting him on a high bed, that you know he is going to jump off of? I'm sure that is not making it any better.

wr332 · 01-04-2009, 10:28 AM

i didn't put him there.

he jumps on bed and when he heard something outside. he jumps off it.

i heard you give more exercise to your dog. it helps.

my dog stays home. a house dog , and never goes outside. he's scare. always stand on the door and never goes outside. i do walk him for few mins. every sunday./ then we go home. and run around the house.

yes he can jump very high.

3 ~ 4 times his height.

one thing i notice is that

the left leg where he is limping is soft, not using any muscle . when the right leg is solid, strong and stiff

Ladymom · 01-04-2009, 11:03 AM

You need to get pet steps so he won't have to jump on and off the bed.

From the way you describe his leg and limping, I think he probably does have a grade 3 or 4 luxation. If that is the case, he needs the surgery or he will end up crippled with painful arthritis.

wr332 · 01-04-2009, 04:24 PM

thanks for reply

what i don't understant is that how can a puppy get luxation by pulling a muscle? or maby fell of a sofa//

i try to feel his bone. did not responce.

once i touch his muscle between his butt and leg, he started to bite me.

i'm thinking there have something to do with his leg muscle.

as i mention before.

left feet ( soft )
right feet ( normal )

PiePiper · 01-04-2009, 06:09 PM

It could be his hip. My Piper was limping and after taking her to the vets he said it was her hip and recomended x-rays. She had Legg-Perthes disease and needed surgery on her hip which she had done Dec. 30.

mscat · 01-04-2009, 06:37 PM

I am concerned that the vet did not give you specific information on what is going on? I'd call them as ask all the questions i need to know what to do for my dog. If the vet said he needs surgery, then it is more then a pulled muscle. I am sorry that this has happened to your dog, however, if you find out that their is something serious wrong, then it is your responsibilty to care for him and make certain he recieves the propper treatment necessary. Your dog should not suffer and be in pain the rest it's life, or become perm. crippled.

Ladymom · 01-04-2009, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wr332

thanks for reply

what i don't understant is that how can a puppy get luxation by pulling a muscle? or maby fell of a sofa//

i try to feel his bone. did not responce.

once i touch his muscle between his butt and leg, he started to bite me.

i'm thinking there have something to do with his leg muscle.

as i mention before.

left feet ( soft )
right feet ( normal )

Muscles get weak and atrophy when they are not being used, like when they are favoring their leg and limping. That's why his leg feels "soft" to you. He has lost his muscle tone. He has probably not been putting all his weight on his leg for awhile.

You need to call your vet and find out if he graded the luxation, then get a second opinion.

Sunnie · 01-04-2009, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wr332

thanks for reply

what i don't understant is that how can a puppy get luxation by pulling a muscle? or maby fell of a sofa//

i try to feel his bone. did not responce.

once i touch his muscle between his butt and leg, he started to bite me.

i'm thinking there have something to do with his leg muscle.

as i mention before.

left feet ( soft )
right feet ( normal )

Just my opinion, but your vet is the VET.. not you.. and your dog obviously has a problem and I personally think it is irresponsible to NOT get him the proper medical attention because YOU don't understand the problem. I would see another vet for a second opinion and ask questions. If the vet does not answer, see another one until you have the answers without second guessing the vet. You dog would NOT be limping if he wasn't in pain and the worst thing you can do is to allow him to jump. Any dog that is limping as much as this one NEEDS medical attention.. not pain pills. pain pills will not fix his problem. I am not trying to be rude, I just think you need to trust your vet or find one you can trust and get that poor baby fixed!

yorkie_mama22 · 01-04-2009, 10:31 PM

this sounds horrible. Why let your dog be jumping around if he has a limp and is on pain meds, that is very unresponsable on your part as a dog owner. You dog CAN get a problem with his knee from jumping too much. It's common with yorkies and this is why you don't put them up high, let them jump around or jump off furniture. People have been telling you for a few days now NOT to do that and yet you keep writing about him jumping around. Go see another vet, he obviously has a problem with his leg, and just because YOU cant feel something wrong doesn't mean there isn't something wrong, your untrained and your vet is so who can you believe. If a dog has a hurt leg you let him REST the leg. Please be a caring owner and give your dog what he needs which is treatment!!

01-03-2009, 10:11 PM	#17
wr332 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: lyndhurst Posts: 35	ok few updates. took him to a VET didn't say alot about my dog. just walk in told him " i just got the dog recently, and he started to limp for some reason. " then he told me to feel his leg. and he said "come here feel this. theres bumps. he have a XXXXXXX( forgot ) disease , and the surgery will cost 800 dollars. he needs it now " i told him " i had him for about 4 months. he was completed fine before. he just started limping on christmas day and when he try to jump to sofa and pull a muscle or fell( i was in the bathroom and didn't see anything, just heard a scream) " DOCTOR " no reply " REST VISIT not one word from him. he give my dog a SHOT, and 5 rimadyl to take 2X daily and only take 1/4 pill thats it. notice he runs faster, jumps higher, just like before but i still see he take his foot up ( rear left) for 3 seconds then walks normal. i have no idea what is going on. the doctor refuse to X-ray him.. say he don't need it. Last edited by wr332; 01-03-2009 at 10:12 PM.

01-03-2009, 10:33 PM	#18
Ladymom Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 8,317	Where on his leg did he have you feel? It's impossible to tell from your post what the diagnosis is, but it sounds like he needs surgery asap. Can you call the vet and get them to tell you the diagnosis? From there, you could perhaps get a second opinion. __________________ http://www.myladysdogbows.com/ http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref...6213341?ref=nf

01-03-2009, 10:57 PM	#19
wr332 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: lyndhurst Posts: 35	the vet didn't give me any diagnosis papers, and refuse to x-ray him unless i agree to do the surgery, i felt his legs, everywhere. the knee cap ( Lluxating patella ) both legs same, no growing out caps, or going sideways. i pushed both cap places, nothing. only when the puppy see my hand touching his leg, he goes after my fingers. if he's not looking at my hand, i can touch however i want. he also limp right after he jump down from a high bed. after few seconds. walks normal. ** he is much better then before with * rimadyl after few days. i'm going to see if these pills help. then i have to take him to other vets. for now i want to ask when dogs have problems with limp. what should i do? give him more exercise or less exercise? less jumping? less walking? more sleep? put some kind of protection on the leg? Last edited by wr332; 01-03-2009 at 11:00 PM.

01-04-2009, 06:24 AM	#20
sassytooyou YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: santa rosa Posts: 365	dont worrie lots of our babys have it Tede has the same. same thing happened. i know lots of yorkis have the surgery. see another vet, check both legs mine needs both, all your vet did is get him out of pain, keep him from jumping as much as possoble. (HAHAHA) you will see he will start to live with it. but save and get it done. but make sure you dont have to do both. dont do one and put the little guy throgh 2. i think he does need exrays on both, then get a action plan ready yt has lots of info. i have to wait. i am one suffering through bad times. so i am saving, i watch him ,i put my bed on the floor so he has less jumping. so do what is best for you and your baby.sorry for your baby, i know its a blow but it will be fine. tede-julie __________________ J.G. & T.B Last edited by sassytooyou; 01-04-2009 at 06:26 AM. Reason: mor

01-04-2009, 08:17 AM	#21
Ladymom Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 8,317	Rimadyl can help short term with the pain, but it is dangerous to keep him on it long term. Please read this: The Senior Dogs Project Your vet should have graded his patellas. They are graded from 1-4 with 4 being the worst. Grades 3-4 will need surgery. A vet on another forum wrote this about luxating patellas: Grade I: The kneecap can be moved out of place manually but will fall back into its natural position once the manipulator lets go. Grade 2: Same thing except that the kneecap does not move back to its normal position when the manipulator lets go. These dogs are likely to progress to arthritis development and should be considered for surgery to prevent conformational damage. There is some controversy over whether grade 2 dogs should have surgery. Grade 3: The patella is out of place all the time but can be manipulated back into its normal position manually (though it will not stay there). Grade 4: The patella is not only out of place all the time but cannot even be manipulated back into place by hand. Such a dog has extreme difficulty extending his knees and walks with his knees bent virtually all the time. It is not a good thing to have one's knee cap out of place; the entire weight-bearing stress of the rear leg is altered which, in time, leads to changes in the hips, long bones, and ultimately arthritis. How severe the changes are depends on how severe the luxation is (i.e., the grade as described above) and how long that degree of luxation has been going on. In time, the legs will actually turn inward, making the dog "knock-kneed." The luxation is not considered a painful condition but after enough time and conformational change, arthritis sets in, which is indeed painful. Dogs with Grade I luxations do not require surgical repair. Grade 2 dogs may benefit from surgery and most often the owner is called upon to judge how big a problem the lameness is. Dogs with Grade 3 or 4 disease definitely should have surgery. __________________ http://www.myladysdogbows.com/ http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref...6213341?ref=nf

01-04-2009, 10:28 AM	#23
wr332 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: lyndhurst Posts: 35	i didn't put him there. he jumps on bed and when he heard something outside. he jumps off it. i heard you give more exercise to your dog. it helps. my dog stays home. a house dog , and never goes outside. he's scare. always stand on the door and never goes outside. i do walk him for few mins. every sunday./ then we go home. and run around the house. yes he can jump very high. 3 ~ 4 times his height. one thing i notice is that the left leg where he is limping is soft, not using any muscle . when the right leg is solid, strong and stiff Last edited by wr332; 01-04-2009 at 10:31 AM.

01-04-2009, 11:03 AM	#24
Ladymom Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 8,317	You need to get pet steps so he won't have to jump on and off the bed. From the way you describe his leg and limping, I think he probably does have a grade 3 or 4 luxation. If that is the case, he needs the surgery or he will end up crippled with painful arthritis. __________________ http://www.myladysdogbows.com/ http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref...6213341?ref=nf

01-04-2009, 04:24 PM	#25
wr332 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: lyndhurst Posts: 35	thanks for reply what i don't understant is that how can a puppy get luxation by pulling a muscle? or maby fell of a sofa// i try to feel his bone. did not responce. once i touch his muscle between his butt and leg, he started to bite me. i'm thinking there have something to do with his leg muscle. as i mention before. left feet ( soft ) right feet ( normal )

01-04-2009, 06:09 PM	#26
PiePiper Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 759	It could be his hip. My Piper was limping and after taking her to the vets he said it was her hip and recomended x-rays. She had Legg-Perthes disease and needed surgery on her hip which she had done Dec. 30. __________________ Mom to Piper & Chipper

01-04-2009, 06:37 PM	#27
mscat YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hanford, CA Posts: 4,895	I am concerned that the vet did not give you specific information on what is going on? I'd call them as ask all the questions i need to know what to do for my dog. If the vet said he needs surgery, then it is more then a pulled muscle. I am sorry that this has happened to your dog, however, if you find out that their is something serious wrong, then it is your responsibilty to care for him and make certain he recieves the propper treatment necessary. Your dog should not suffer and be in pain the rest it's life, or become perm. crippled. __________________ "No matter how little money & how few possessions, you own, having a dog makes you rich."

01-04-2009, 10:31 PM	#30
yorkie_mama22 Currently Suspended! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 2,275	this sounds horrible. Why let your dog be jumping around if he has a limp and is on pain meds, that is very unresponsable on your part as a dog owner. You dog CAN get a problem with his knee from jumping too much. It's common with yorkies and this is why you don't put them up high, let them jump around or jump off furniture. People have been telling you for a few days now NOT to do that and yet you keep writing about him jumping around. Go see another vet, he obviously has a problem with his leg, and just because YOU cant feel something wrong doesn't mean there isn't something wrong, your untrained and your vet is so who can you believe. If a dog has a hurt leg you let him REST the leg. Please be a caring owner and give your dog what he needs which is treatment!!