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goosey · 12-02-2008, 06:43 AM

My yorkie Toby has demo mange. We have tried everything,antibiotics for 30 days,the flea collar,and he was doing good for the last month. Now its back

I am worried to death!! He has huge sore again and biting his paws. If someone has dealt with this let me know. We are going back to the vet today,would like to tell him something. Thanks Gooosy

chachi · 12-02-2008, 06:50 AM

When Chachi had it he had to go through a series of dips to get rid of it

goosey · 12-02-2008, 06:54 AM

Thank you. We have been dealing with this since early summer,vet has not mentioned dips. But I will Thank you!!

chachi · 12-02-2008, 06:57 AM

It took about 5 of themn to get rid of it. He got them every 10 days

dwerten · 12-02-2008, 07:17 AM

just do not let vet mix ketaconozole and ivermectin as my friends dog almost died from that --- a natural way is to put olive oil on the spot as mites cannot live in oil -- is the spot in a place your dog cannot lick?

dwerten · 12-02-2008, 07:17 AM

also they are finding revolution is working not only for scabies but also demodex and safer than dips or ivermectin

goosey · 12-02-2008, 07:20 AM

Thanks im writing all this down

goosey · 12-02-2008, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwerten

just do not let vet mix ketaconozole and ivermectin as my friends dog almost died from that --- a natural way is to put olive oil on the spot as mites cannot live in oil -- is the spot in a place your dog cannot lick?

Yes He can lick it. His paws are bad again too.

TLC · 12-02-2008, 07:25 AM

My friends dog had Demodex. They did the anti's and meds and special baths. The Vet was doing skin scraps and it was looking good, so they stopped, but they found out that the mites were gone on her body but still on her feet. So back to the meds, and the Vet makes sure to do the skin scrapes on her feet. I think she goes back next week to get tested. I know you have to stick with it and it does take a while

tjdmom · 12-02-2008, 05:27 PM

My senior collie had a bought with the demodex mites last January. Collies can't be dipped either so we just had to ride it out. Thankfully, it cleared up on its own. I did switch to a Raw diet and we have had no reoccurrence, knock on wood. You might want to do some research on a raw diet since as you probably are aware, the mites signal a problem with the immune system..... many raw feeders seem to believe that feeding raw benefits the immune system (I do as well as I've seen first hand the benefits with my two!) Good luck with this!

Laura Hollingsw · 12-05-2008, 12:20 PM

I had a boxer with it and she was on ivermecton for 3 months. I also gave her bath inwater about 3 inches deep with 500ml of peroxide and 4 cups of Borax. I found this on the internet. The peroxide opens the pours and the borax kills the might. I did the every other day for 2 weeks. I swear this is what got rid of it. She was fully cured of it in 3 months. It is an immune comprimised parasite so you also find ways to boost your dogs immune system for it to go away and not come back.

dwerten · 12-05-2008, 10:58 PM

I would try this as just like mosquitos cannot live in oil neither can mites so i would put all four paws in olive oil for say 5-10 minutes if you can and then give a bath afterwards and try that as all the meds are very strong for demodex and the pup gets them from the mama as all dogs have mites but if their immune system is low the mites take over thus causing the prob so boosting the immune system with a good diet will help alot

grannystreet · 12-24-2008, 11:36 PM

I am dealing with that very same problem as I type! My precious Little Man (Little Bit's Best Man, age 12 yrs) has been being treated for what was originally diagnosed as 3 bacterial skin infections after a skin scrape: pseudomonas aeruginosa, enterococcus aeruginosa, and staphylococcus intermedius (spellings?) since Thanksgiving. He was never had fleas, but was treated for them!! - Also given Depomedrol, Gentocin, & Azium Injections, 2 Chlorohexadine dips, a 2-wk course of Antirobe capsules, and Nolvasan Salve. This was $300+. Then returned 1 wk later - he was worse! Another Depo inj., more Antirobe Capsules, and Epi-Sooth Oatmeal shampoo and more salve = $100. I bathed him 2xs daily with Chlorhexidine solution, debrided his skin as instructed for 3 days after each bath. Now Christmas week and he is worse and feverish all the time. He is covered head to toe with red, sticky, smelly, fevered skin and had to be shaved. He became severly dehydrated and lethargic. I had to force feed him fluids with a syringe and hand feed him. Vet did another deeper skin scrape and diagnosed RED MANGE! I had been telling him for weeks that I thought it smelled like mange, but he ignored me! Now, he has received Chlorahexidine and Mitaban Dip and changed from Chloromycetin tablets back to Antirobe. I have literally been holding this precious pooch for 3 days now - 24/7 just to be sure he is breathing!! The vet assured me he gave him the lowest possible dosage in the Mitaban Dip for his 4 lbs., but he is still wobbly, dis-interested in us, food, surroundings, etc. This is slowly improving some. Have to bring him back after Christmas for re-check, then another dip the next week, and every 2 wks after till 2 scrapings come back with dead mites. ($400-700 more??)
I would change vets, but that would be another $400+ to start the cultures all over again - not to mention the additional stress to Little Man - and stress makes this condition worse!
I believe this all occured because we lost his mom (Little Bit of N-No-Cents) in Jan. to heart disease, then his Grandmom (Sweet N-No-Cents)in mid-Nov. from old age. Plus in Sept. he was boarded at this vet for 8 days during Labor Day when we went out of town to return to 2 hurricanes, 8 days of power outage parish-wide, and thunderstorms daily. Little Man was only 30' from 2 massive pecan trees that fell while at the vets and I am sure that scared the poop out of him. The trees blocked the vets entrance road, phones were down, no electricity - so he was there without us for 8 days! Plus, he had his teeth cleaned while there and they were HORRIBLE! Probably released lots of bacteria into his system.
I have searched the internet thoroughly and do find that the treatment he is finally getting now IS THE CORRECT ONE - but, why did it take my vet so long to get to this stage?? I think a simple deep skin scrape a month ago would have made the correct diagnosis and my precious Little Man would not be so ill now. I am terrified of losing him.
Sorry this is so long and detailed - I don't know how to state it differently!
He is peacefully asleep in my lap as I type. He has been hand fed, hand watered, lightly sprayed with Tea Tree Oil (my idea) and lovingly wrapped burito style in a warm towel! - What a life!

I pray your little friend is doing well by now. Any comments welcomed!

wakieberg · 01-06-2009, 05:05 PM

I feel your pain, my little man only 6yrs, has this as well. It's been a few weeks, is your baby ok? Constant attention and nursing seems to always help when mine gets stressed. I need to get the mitoban baths again.

davebloomer · 01-06-2009, 08:03 PM

I can't believe your vet didn't recommend dips right away knowing it was demodectic mange. our yorkie scratched all of her fur off due to being misdiagnosed and within two weeks after the first dip she was growing hair back. I believe the dip was mitaban.. but not sure on that.. Make the vet show you the skin sample under the microscope. If he/she finds little cigar shaped creatures make them show them to you. If they don't find them within a few scrapes than it isn't demodectic mange. again i state MAKE them show you so that you know you are treating the right problem.
maybe the dip was called ivermectin or mitaban.... She was also on a liquid called ivachol which really helped with her skin infection ETC.. I encourage you to look at my thread below and definatly my last post with pictures of how well kate is doing now. I wish you the best and trust me we know how you feel. no matter what anyone tells you get that dog dipped. Then get her dipped again in two weeks and two weeks after that and two weeks after that. I would do it 3 time more than you think is necessary.

here is the thread about my dog
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...in-issues.html

12-02-2008, 06:43 AM	#1
goosey YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: ky Posts: 5	Demo Mange My yorkie Toby has demo mange. We have tried everything,antibiotics for 30 days,the flea collar,and he was doing good for the last month. Now its backI am worried to death!! He has huge sore again and biting his paws. If someone has dealt with this let me know. We are going back to the vet today,would like to tell him something. Thanks Gooosy

12-02-2008, 06:50 AM	#2
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	When Chachi had it he had to go through a series of dips to get rid of it __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

12-02-2008, 06:57 AM	#4
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	It took about 5 of themn to get rid of it. He got them every 10 days __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

12-02-2008, 07:25 AM	#9
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	My friends dog had Demodex. They did the anti's and meds and special baths. The Vet was doing skin scraps and it was looking good, so they stopped, but they found out that the mites were gone on her body but still on her feet. So back to the meds, and the Vet makes sure to do the skin scrapes on her feet. I think she goes back next week to get tested. I know you have to stick with it and it does take a while __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

12-24-2008, 11:36 PM	#13
grannystreet Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Pineville LA USA Posts: 13	Demo Mange I am dealing with that very same problem as I type! My precious Little Man (Little Bit's Best Man, age 12 yrs) has been being treated for what was originally diagnosed as 3 bacterial skin infections after a skin scrape: pseudomonas aeruginosa, enterococcus aeruginosa, and staphylococcus intermedius (spellings?) since Thanksgiving. He was never had fleas, but was treated for them!! - Also given Depomedrol, Gentocin, & Azium Injections, 2 Chlorohexadine dips, a 2-wk course of Antirobe capsules, and Nolvasan Salve. This was $300+. Then returned 1 wk later - he was worse! Another Depo inj., more Antirobe Capsules, and Epi-Sooth Oatmeal shampoo and more salve = $100. I bathed him 2xs daily with Chlorhexidine solution, debrided his skin as instructed for 3 days after each bath. Now Christmas week and he is worse and feverish all the time. He is covered head to toe with red, sticky, smelly, fevered skin and had to be shaved. He became severly dehydrated and lethargic. I had to force feed him fluids with a syringe and hand feed him. Vet did another deeper skin scrape and diagnosed RED MANGE! I had been telling him for weeks that I thought it smelled like mange, but he ignored me! Now, he has received Chlorahexidine and Mitaban Dip and changed from Chloromycetin tablets back to Antirobe. I have literally been holding this precious pooch for 3 days now - 24/7 just to be sure he is breathing!! The vet assured me he gave him the lowest possible dosage in the Mitaban Dip for his 4 lbs., but he is still wobbly, dis-interested in us, food, surroundings, etc. This is slowly improving some. Have to bring him back after Christmas for re-check, then another dip the next week, and every 2 wks after till 2 scrapings come back with dead mites. ($400-700 more??) I would change vets, but that would be another $400+ to start the cultures all over again - not to mention the additional stress to Little Man - and stress makes this condition worse! I believe this all occured because we lost his mom (Little Bit of N-No-Cents) in Jan. to heart disease, then his Grandmom (Sweet N-No-Cents)in mid-Nov. from old age. Plus in Sept. he was boarded at this vet for 8 days during Labor Day when we went out of town to return to 2 hurricanes, 8 days of power outage parish-wide, and thunderstorms daily. Little Man was only 30' from 2 massive pecan trees that fell while at the vets and I am sure that scared the poop out of him. The trees blocked the vets entrance road, phones were down, no electricity - so he was there without us for 8 days! Plus, he had his teeth cleaned while there and they were HORRIBLE! Probably released lots of bacteria into his system. I have searched the internet thoroughly and do find that the treatment he is finally getting now IS THE CORRECT ONE - but, why did it take my vet so long to get to this stage?? I think a simple deep skin scrape a month ago would have made the correct diagnosis and my precious Little Man would not be so ill now. I am terrified of losing him. Sorry this is so long and detailed - I don't know how to state it differently! He is peacefully asleep in my lap as I type. He has been hand fed, hand watered, lightly sprayed with Tea Tree Oil (my idea) and lovingly wrapped burito style in a warm towel! - What a life! I pray your little friend is doing well by now. Any comments welcomed!

12-02-2008, 06:54 AM	#3
goosey YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: ky Posts: 5	Thank you. We have been dealing with this since early summer,vet has not mentioned dips. But I will Thank you!!

12-02-2008, 07:17 AM	#5
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	just do not let vet mix ketaconozole and ivermectin as my friends dog almost died from that --- a natural way is to put olive oil on the spot as mites cannot live in oil -- is the spot in a place your dog cannot lick?

12-02-2008, 07:20 AM	#7
goosey YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: ky Posts: 5	Thanks im writing all this down

12-02-2008, 05:27 PM	#10
tjdmom Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: upstate ny Posts: 5,847	My senior collie had a bought with the demodex mites last January. Collies can't be dipped either so we just had to ride it out. Thankfully, it cleared up on its own. I did switch to a Raw diet and we have had no reoccurrence, knock on wood. You might want to do some research on a raw diet since as you probably are aware, the mites signal a problem with the immune system..... many raw feeders seem to believe that feeding raw benefits the immune system (I do as well as I've seen first hand the benefits with my two!) Good luck with this!

12-05-2008, 12:20 PM	#11
Laura Hollingsw Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Watford,On Posts: 126	I had a boxer with it and she was on ivermecton for 3 months. I also gave her bath inwater about 3 inches deep with 500ml of peroxide and 4 cups of Borax. I found this on the internet. The peroxide opens the pours and the borax kills the might. I did the every other day for 2 weeks. I swear this is what got rid of it. She was fully cured of it in 3 months. It is an immune comprimised parasite so you also find ways to boost your dogs immune system for it to go away and not come back.

12-05-2008, 10:58 PM	#12
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	I would try this as just like mosquitos cannot live in oil neither can mites so i would put all four paws in olive oil for say 5-10 minutes if you can and then give a bath afterwards and try that as all the meds are very strong for demodex and the pup gets them from the mama as all dogs have mites but if their immune system is low the mites take over thus causing the prob so boosting the immune system with a good diet will help alot

01-06-2009, 05:05 PM	#14
wakieberg YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North East Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 9	wow I feel your pain, my little man only 6yrs, has this as well. It's been a few weeks, is your baby ok? Constant attention and nursing seems to always help when mine gets stressed. I need to get the mitoban baths again.

01-06-2009, 08:03 PM	#15
davebloomer Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: mcalester ok usa Posts: 29	I can't believe your vet didn't recommend dips right away knowing it was demodectic mange. our yorkie scratched all of her fur off due to being misdiagnosed and within two weeks after the first dip she was growing hair back. I believe the dip was mitaban.. but not sure on that.. Make the vet show you the skin sample under the microscope. If he/she finds little cigar shaped creatures make them show them to you. If they don't find them within a few scrapes than it isn't demodectic mange. again i state MAKE them show you so that you know you are treating the right problem. maybe the dip was called ivermectin or mitaban.... She was also on a liquid called ivachol which really helped with her skin infection ETC.. I encourage you to look at my thread below and definatly my last post with pictures of how well kate is doing now. I wish you the best and trust me we know how you feel. no matter what anyone tells you get that dog dipped. Then get her dipped again in two weeks and two weeks after that and two weeks after that. I would do it 3 time more than you think is necessary. here is the thread about my dog http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...in-issues.html Last edited by davebloomer; 01-06-2009 at 08:07 PM.